# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 498
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9944 "2017-08-15T22:33:19Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Tossing up any old thing to see what sticks.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=832138) You know what’s brown and sticky? Shit ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9945 "2017-08-15T22:33:35Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > No, if you’re a violent hate-filled thug who is [beating up people with a club](https://twitter.com/SherylNYT/status/896575560650035200), you’re an extremist at the other end of the spectrum. That there was at least one non-Nazi who behaved badly doesn’t justify, at all, _all the Nazis_ behaving badly, including the Nazis who surrounded and attacked anti-racist protesters, and including the Nazi who drove a car into a crowd and killed people. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9946 "2017-08-15T22:35:23Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Bull. Trump is not talking about the car-crash murder. That incident is 100% one sided. > > He is talking about the incident as a whole. And in the incident as a whole there were groups of hate-filled violent thugs, Nazis on one side and “alt-left” (or “antifa” or whatever you want to call them) on the other side - attacking **each other** in the streets. Which is what Trump said. Which is what the NYT reporter said. Apparently it’s only “bad” if Trump says it. If it’s an NYT reporter that **reports** it, that is skipped. 'cuz it’s not Trump. A journalist’s job is to report the facts. A President’s job is to set the moral tone for a country in crisis. Let me give you a sense of what would have been an appropriate response from the President of the United States: "The inherently violent ideology and overt bigotry of white supremacy, including those affiliated with the KKK and neo-Nazism, must be condemned in the strongest possible terms. There is no excuse for white supremacy in this country and we as a nation must stand in unity against such vile motivations. I applaud the counter-protesters who peaceably assembled to show overt disapproval of racist ideologies. As the violence between white supremacists and counter-protesters escalates, I would urge those engaged in such demonstrations to refrain from acts of violence. While your anger is justified, violence is not. We must remain focused on the exhaustive work that remains to rectify centuries of wrongdoing against people of color in the United States, but we must do it through advocacy, education, and policy, not violent behavior which diminishes our cause.‘’ Took me five minutes. Not that hard. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9947 "2017-08-15T22:40:32Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Took me five minutes. Not that hard. And when was the last time President Dipshit said anything, staying on topic without digressions, for five minutes? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9948 "2017-08-15T22:42:05Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > So your position is that if anybody hits a Nazi with a club, then that makes everybody else as bad as Nazis If it’s not in self-defense or defense of another? In terms of ideology - no. In terms of behavior - yes, it makes one a violent thug just like if a Nazi hits someone with a club he’s a violent thug. You (plural) keep trying to say that one side’s violent thugs are not as bad as the other side’s. I am saying yes, in terms of behavior, just as bad. And ideology does not bash heads. Clubbing people does. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9949 "2017-08-15T22:44:29Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > And when was the last time President Dipshit said anything, staying on topic without digressions, for five minutes? Never. It’s one of the infinite reasons he’s not fit to be President. This would have been a slam dunk for him in terms of popularity, yet he managed to fuck it up somehow. BTW **Okra** , notice my speech doesn’t mention the left _or_ right as shouldering the blame. I’m a better politician than he is. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9950 "2017-08-15T22:46:15Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > If it’s not in self-defense or defense of another? In terms of ideology - no. In terms of behavior - yes, it makes one a violent thug just like if a Nazi hits someone with a club he’s a violent thug. > > You (plural) keep trying to say that one side’s violent thugs are not as bad as the other side’s. I am saying yes, in terms of behavior, just as bad. And ideology does not bash heads. Clubbing people does. So what you’re saying is, shouting hate speech, brandishing weapons, and storming a protest in the form of a violent torchwielding mob doesn’t count as “behavior”. None of that can be factored in in assessing the two groups. Tis only the physical attacks that can be counted. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9951 "2017-08-15T22:46:42Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Bull. Trump is not talking about the car-crash murder. That incident is 100% one sided. > > He is talking about the incident as a whole. That’s the thing about murder. It kinda outweighs other stuff. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9952 "2017-08-15T22:47:49Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You (plural) keep trying to say that one side’s violent thugs are not as bad as the other side’s. I am saying yes, in terms of behavior, just as bad. And ideology does not bash heads. Clubbing people does. It’s not just as bad. Jews (and those non-Jews who wanted to protect Jews) who attacked Nazis in WWII Germany weren’t as bad as Nazis who attacked Jews. Slaves (and abolitionists) who attacked their masters and other white people during slavery weren’t as bad as their masters who had them whipped, beaten, raped, and killed. Black people (and other Civil Rights supporters) who attacked the KKK and other white supremacists during Jim Crow weren’t as bad as the KKK and white supremacists who attacked black people. And they’re not the same now. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9953 "2017-08-15T22:52:20Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > So what you’re saying is, shouting hate speech, brandishing weapons, and storming a protest in the form of a violent torchwielding mob doesn’t count as “behavior”. … Maybe if the people were Brown, or spoke Arabic. Now that shit would be scary. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9954 "2017-08-15T22:55:06Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You (plural) keep trying to say that one side’s violent thugs are not as bad as the other side’s. I am saying yes, in terms of behavior, just as bad. And ideology does not bash heads. Clubbing people does. So in Europe 1944, there were 2 sides killing each other with guns, planes, and artillery. Setting ideology aside, both sides are thugs. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9955 "2017-08-15T22:57:18Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You know what’s brown and sticky? > > Shit I was going to guess **Okrahoma**. Hey, I was right! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9956 "2017-08-15T23:06:14Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > So what you’re saying is, shouting hate speech, brandishing weapons, and storming a protest in the form of a violent torchwielding mob doesn’t count as “behavior”. None of that can be factored in in assessing the two groups. Tis only the physical attacks that can be counted. You choose to not read what I wrote, it’s your problem. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9957 "2017-08-15T23:08:24Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > So in Europe 1944, there were 2 sides killing each other with guns, planes, and artillery. Setting ideology aside, both sides are thugs. Got it. Would you like a bunny with a pancake on his head? [Here you go](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/411/080/c7b.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9958 "2017-08-15T23:10:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I was going to guess **Okrahoma**. > > Hey, I was right! This board needs a LIKE button. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9959 "2017-08-15T23:10:07Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > This would have been a slam dunk for him in terms of popularity, yet he managed to fuck it up somehow. I, honestly, would have gained a modicum of respect for him if he delivered a speech similar to yours. It would have given me pause. > [@](#): > > I’m a better politician than he is. That’s presupposing a certain type of politics. Don is great at divisive politics, which seems to be the game of the day. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9960 "2017-08-15T23:11:24Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Got it. So thugs are the ones who attack VA Nazis. > > At least they’re thugs with a conscience. Where can I buy a Go Thugs t-shirt? Trump make those too? Thug Life! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9961 "2017-08-15T23:13:01Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > So in Europe 1944, there were 2 sides killing each other with guns, planes, and artillery. Setting ideology aside, both sides are thugs. Got it. Uh huh. The Allies should have just apologized and gone home :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9962 "2017-08-15T23:13:09Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The amazing thing is that even when applying the most convoluted and partisan spin filters money can buy (and I can’t fault any politician for that) – that’s a really thin and unimpressive list. The only legislation he could come up with is the VA Whistleblower Act. I can’t believe he bothers to brag about it. It is a wonder especially given his stance on whistleblowers outing his cohorts’ stunts in the administration. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9963 "2017-08-15T23:17:36Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You choose to not read what I wrote, it’s your problem. Dude, I _quoted_ what you wrote. If you have such incredible brain damage that you couldn’t even recognize it yourself, that’s your problem. Seriously, you have been harping interminably on the attacks by non-nazis against nazis. Just that. Only that. Nothing else. Period. Or have you forgotten that already? The mind is the first thing to go. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=497) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=499)