# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 499
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9964 "2017-08-15T23:20:27Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > I’m sorry, but a group of people come to march, wearing Hitler tees, chanting “Jew don’t replace us!”, carrying homemade and store bought shields, and both sides are to blame? > > You know why he can’t admit it? The guys who weren’t wearing Hitler tees were wearing Make America Great Again tees. > > Any other president would’ve said, “Those of you who are wearing my campaign shirts and threatening equal rights are not part of making America great again.” You misunderstand MAGA. It really means Make America Goyim Again. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9965 "2017-08-15T23:30:06Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I, honestly, would have gained a modicum of respect for him if he delivered a speech similar to yours. It would have given me pause. > > That’s presupposing a certain type of politics. Don is great at divisive politics, which seems to be the game of the day. He had a great opportunity to at least _seem_ Presidential. Obama would have nailed it. Bush would have nailed it. He has to have speechwriters on staff who gear up for this sort of thing. I have to think at least one is thinking about resigning now. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9966 "2017-08-15T23:36:57Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Trump explains that it took him two days to condemn white supremacy because [he wanted to know the facts first](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/15/donald-trump-returns-new-york-city-first-time-president-wasnt-joyful-homecoming/568752001/). It’d be encouraging that he learned this lesson…if not for the fact that he ‘learned it’ just in time to defend Nazis by denigrating their victims, and not in time to prevent him from accusing muslims of committing violence that either never happened (Sweden), or they were the victims of (Montreal). ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9967 "2017-08-15T23:37:57Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > And when was the last time President Dipshit said anything, staying on topic without digressions, for five minutes? Speaking of “digressions”, he might want to start leaking info on Russian collusion to distract attention from this mess. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9968 "2017-08-15T23:38:35Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > It’d be encouraging that he learned this lesson…if not for the fact that he ‘learned it’ just in time to defend Nazis by denigrating their victims, and not in time to prevent him from accusing muslims of committing violence that either never happened (Sweden), or they were the victims of (Montreal). He doubled down again today anyway. Besides which since when has he ever given a fuck about facts? Never, that’s when. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9969 "2017-08-15T23:40:58Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Speaking of “digressions”, he might want to start leaking info on Russian collusion to distract attention from this mess. To be fair, I kind of half forgot about North Korea. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9970 "2017-08-15T23:56:07Z")
This is a transcript of the Trump word salad, as he does everything he can to change the subject, shift the blame and NOT accuse Nazis… > [@](#): > > Reporter: Why do you think these CEOs are leaving your manufacturing council? > > Trump: Because they are not taking their job seriously as it pertains to this country. We want jobs, manufacturing in this country. If you look at some of those people that you’re talking about, they’re outside of the country. They’re having a lot of their product made outside. If you look at Merck as an example. Take a look where — excuse me, excuse me. Take a look at where their product is made. It’s made outside of our country. We want products made in the country. Now, I have to tell you, some of the folks that will leave, they are leaving out of embarrassment because they make their products outside and I’ve been lecturing them, including the gentleman that you’re referring to, about you have to bring it back to this country. You can’t do it necessarily in Ireland and all of these other places. You have to bring this work back to this country. That’s what I want. I want manufacturing to be back into the United States so that American workers can benefit. > > Reporter: Why did you wait so long to put that last statement out? > > Trump: I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. > > Reporter: It was at least 48 hours. > > Trump: I wanted to make sure — unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct. Not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you don’t make statements that direct unless you know the fact. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still don’t know the facts, and it’s a very, very important process to me, and it’s a very important statement, so I don’t want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. If you go back to — I brought it. I brought it. I brought it. As I said — remember this, Saturday — we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America, and then I went on from there. Now, here’s the thing. Excuse me, excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Here’s the thing. When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. In fact, a lot of the event didn’t even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event just happened. Before I make a statement, I need the facts, so I don’t want to rush into a statement. > > So, making the statement when I made it was excellent. In fact, the young woman, who I hear is a fantastic young woman — and it was on NBC — her mother wrote me and said — through I guess Twitter, social media — the nicest things, and I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine, really actually an incredible young woman. But her mother on Twitter thanked me for what I said. And honestly, if the press were not fake and if it was honest, the press would have said what I said was very nice. But unlike you and unlike — excuse me — unlike you and unlike the media, before I make a statement I like to know the facts. > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Trump: They don’t. They don’t. > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Trump: Listen, how about- how about a couple of infrastructure questions? > > Reporter: Was that terrorism, that event? Was that terrorism? > > Trump: Say it. What? > > Reporter: The CEO of Wal-Mart said you missed a critical opportunity to help bring the country together. Did you? > > Trump: Not at all. I think the country — look, you take a look. I’ve created over a million jobs since I’m president. The country is booming, the stock market is setting records. We have the highest employment numbers we’ve ever had in the history of our country. We’re doing record business. We have the highest levels of enthusiasm. So, the head of Wal-Mart, whom I know, who is a very nice guy, was making a political statement. I mean, I do it the same way. You know why? Because I want to make sure, when I make a statement that the statement is correct, and there was no way — there was no way of making a correct statement that early. I had to see the facts, unlike a lot of reporters — unlike a lot of reporters. I know, David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts, and the facts as they started coming out were very well-stated. In fact, everybody said his statement was beautiful. If he would have made it sooner, that would have been good. I couldn’t have made it sooner because I didn’t know all of the facts. Frankly, people still don’t know all of the facts. It was very important — excuse me, excuse me. It was very important to me to get the facts out and correctly, because if I would have made a fast statement — and the first statement was made without knowing much other than what we were seeing. The second statement was made with knowledge, with great knowledge. There’s still things — excuse me, there’s still things that people don’t know. I want to make a statement with knowledge. I wanted to know the facts. Okay. > > Reporter: Two questions. Was this terrorism and can you tell us how you’re feeling about your chief strategist, Steve Bannon. > > Trump: Well, I think the driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family and this country, and that is … you can call it terrorism. You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want. I would just call it as the fastest one to come up with a good verdict. That’s what I’d call it. Because there is a question. Is it murder? Is it terrorism? And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer and what he did was a horrible, horrible inexcusable thing. > > Reporter: Can you tell us how you’re feeling about your chief strategist, Mr. Bannon? Can you talk about that? > > Trump: Go ahead. > > Reporter: I would echo Maggie’s question. Steve Bannon has- > > Trump: I never spoke to Mr. Bannon about it. > > Reporter: Can you tell us broadly — do you still have confidence in Steve? > > Trump: Well, we’ll see. Look, I like Mr. Bannon, he’s a friend of mine, but Mr. Bannon came on very late — you know that. I went through 17 senators, governors and I won all the primaries. Mr. Bannon came on very much later than that, and I like him, he’s a good man. He is not a racist, I can tell you that. He’s a good person, he actually gets a very unfair press in that regard. But we’ll see what happens with Mr. Bannon, but he’s a good person and I think the press treats him frankly very unfairly. > > Reporter: Do you have confidence in him? > > Another reporter: John McCain has called on you to defend your national security adviser H.R. McMaster. > > Trump: I have already done it. I did it the last time. > > Reporter: And he called on you again to — > > Trump: Senator McCain? You mean the one who voted against Obamacare? > > Reporter: And he said- > > Trump: Who is senator- You mean Senator McCain who voted against us getting good health care? > > Reporter: Senator McCain said that the alt-right is behind these attacks, and he linked that same group to those who perpetrated the attack in Charlottesville. > > Trump: Well, I don’t know. I can’t tell you. I’m sure Senator McCain must know what he’s talking about. But when you say the alt-right…uh, define alt-right to me. You define it. Go ahead. > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Trump: No, define it for me. Come on, let’s go. > > Reporter: Senator McCain defined them as the same groups. > > Trump: OK. What about the alt-left that came charging at- > > [Indistinct.] > > Trump: Excuse me, what about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the alt-right. Do they have any semblance of guilt? > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Trump: Let me ask you this. What about the fact they came charging — that they came charging, with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do. So, you know, as far as I’m concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day- > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Trump: Wait a minute. I’m not finished. I’m not finished, fake news. That was a horrible day. > > Reporter: Is it the same level as neo-Nazis? > > Trump: I will tell you something. I watched those very closely, much more closely than you people watched it, and you have- You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now. You had a group, you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent. > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Trump: Go ahead. > > Reporter: Do you think what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-Nazis? > > Trump: Those people, all of those people- excuse me. I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups, but not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. > > Reporter: Well, white nationalists- > > Trump: Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. So … Excuse me. And you take a look at some of the groups and you see and you’d know it if you were honest reporters — which in many cases you’re not. But many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So, this week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder is it George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself where does it stop? But they were there to protest- excuse me. You take a look the night before, they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of the Robert E. Lee. Infrastructure question. Go ahead. > > Reporter: Should statues of Robert E. Lee stay up? > > Trump: I would say that’s up to a local town, community, or the federal government depending on where it is located. > > Reporter: Are you against the Confederacy? > > Another reporter: How concerned are you about race relations in America and do you think things have gotten worse or better since you took office? > > Trump: I think they have gotten better- or the same- I- look. They’ve been frayed for a long time, and you can ask President Obama about that because he’d make speeches about it. But, I believe that the fact that I brought in, it will be soon, millions of jobs — you see where companies are moving back into our country — I think that’s going to have a tremendous positive impact on race relations. We have companies coming back into our country, we have two car companies that just announced, we have FoxConn in Wisconsin just announced. We have many companies, I say pouring back into the country. I think that’s going to have a huge, positive impact on race relations. You know why? It’s jobs. What people want now, they want jobs. They want great jobs with good pay and, when they have that, you watch how race relations will be. And I’ll tell you, we’re spending a lot of money on the inner cities. We’re fixing the inner cities. We’re doing far more than anybody’s done with respect to the inner cities. It’s a priority for me, and it’s very important. > > Reporter: Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane? > > Trump: I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and it was horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side — you can call them the left, you’ve just called them the left — that came violently attacking the other group, so you can say what you want but that’s the way it is. > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Reporter: Mr. President, your words- > > Another reporter: You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are there- > > Trump: Well, I do think there’s blame- Yes. I do think there’s blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides and I have no doubt about it and you don’t have any doubt about it either and- and- and- and if you reported it accurately, you would say it. > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Reporter: Neo-Nazis started this in Charlottesville. They showed up at Charlottesville, they- > > Trump: Excuse me. > > Reporter: To protest the removal of that- > > Trump: [Inaudible.] You have some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group — excuse me, excuse me — I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. > > Reporter: Do you support white nationalists, then? > > [Cross talk. Reporters shout questions.] > > Trump: Well, George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So, will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down- Excuse me. Are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him? > > Reporter: I do love Thomas Jefferson- > > Trump: OK, good. Well, are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue? So, you know what? It’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture and you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned, totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, OK? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You got a lot of bad people in the other group, too. > > Reporter: Who was treated unfairly? Sir, I’m sorry I don’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying. > > Trump: No. No. There were people in that rally — and I looked the night before. If you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people: neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest — and very legally protest, because you know- I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So, I only tell you this. There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country. Does anybody have a final- does anybody- you have an infrastructure question. > > Reporter: What makes you think you can get an infrastructure bill? You didn’t get health care. You’re- > > Trump: Well, you know, I’ll tell you. We came very close with health care, unfortunately, John McCain decided to vote against it at the last minute. You’ll have to ask John McCain why he did that. But we came very close to health care. We will end up getting health care. But we’ll get the infrastructure and actually, infrastructure is something that I think we’ll have bipartisan support on. I actually think- I actually think Democrats will go along with the infrastructure. > > Reporter: Mr. President, have you spoken to the family- have you spoken to the family of the victim of the car attack? > > Trump: No, I’ll be reaching out. I’ll be reaching out. > > Reporter: When will you be reaching out? > > Trump: I was very — I thought that the statement put out, the mother’s statement, I thought was a beautiful statement. I must tell you, I was- it was something that I really appreciated. I thought it was terrific, and really under the- under the kind of stress that she’s under and the heartache that she’s under, I thought putting out that statement to me was really something I won’t forget. Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you. > > Trump: Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. > Reporter: Well, white nationalists- > Trump: Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee. So … Excuse me. And you take a look at some of the groups and you see and you’d know it if you were honest reporters — which in many cases you’re not. But many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. So, this week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder is it George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really do have to ask yourself where does it stop? But they were there to protest- excuse me. You take a look the night before, they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of the Robert E. Lee. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9971 "2017-08-16T00:05:46Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Seriously, you have been harping interminably on the attacks by non-nazis against nazis. Just that. Only that. Nothing else. Period. _Because_ everyone else was harping on the fact that Trump said something about both sides. And you deny there are two sides. Just one. Nothing else. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9972 "2017-08-16T00:06:52Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > This is a transcript of the Trump word salad, as he does everything he can to change the subject, shift the blame and NOT accuse Nazis… Hahahahahaha! He’s talking like a [Clinton](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0) and doesn’t realize it! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9973 "2017-08-16T00:15:18Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > _Because_ everyone else was harping on the fact that Trump said something about both sides. And you deny there are two sides. Just one. Nothing else. Period. Yep. And the Tiananmen Square tank man was trespassing. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9974 "2017-08-16T00:21:58Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > This is a transcript of the Trump word salad, as he does everything he can to change the subject, shift the blame and NOT accuse Nazis… [Quote= The madman in charge] You can’t do it necessarily in Ireland and all of these other places [/Quote] Wait what, I’ve always thought Ireland was one of these other places??? (Nevermind Irish folks, I like you :)) ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9975 "2017-08-16T00:26:36Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He doubled down again today anyway. > > Besides which since when has he ever given a fuck about facts? Never, that’s when. The only thing that surprised me was that it happened on a Tuesday - I’ve started to think of WEDNESDAY as “Double Down Day.” But maybe it’s just a sneak preview, maybe he’ll say something even worse tomorrow. It’s also obvious that he got his “facts” from Fox News. And I expect an exodus this week, starting tomorrow. Maybe Kelly will quit. I kind of think Mnuchin will resign ( I have no specific inside info but I know his family and I’m sure they’re totally appalled, they already hate Trump. And he was standing next to Trump when he went off which is going to make it ten times worse.). And I bet other members of his manufacturing council walk out tomorrow. Ross and Cohn will probably get a lot of pressure to resign but they’re both pretty craven. But I expect at least some Senators and Congressman to repudiate him and almost all of them to condemn the incident. And I bet some world leaders will react. But I’ve stomached through the entire press conference and was really disgusting, way worse than both sides do it. He was pretty much on the side of the racists. And at around 4 today I was walking not really near Trump Tower at all -about 15 blocks away- but apparently inside some sort of perimeter because the street was blacked and full of cops. And I saw a group of young men suspiciously dressed identically in khakis and polos. I just took a lot of photos of them ( I couldn’t get good ones unfortunately but they don’t know that.) OTOH, maybe they were just sales reps in town for a conference. Wondering what tomorrow will bring, sorry for the ramble. Time is just weird these days. I usually TIVO Bill Maher on Friday and watch it on Saturday or Sunday - this week it was Sunday And the program felt completely dated because it was 2 whole days old - most of the discussion was on NK which was old news by then. And they did a comic bit on The Charlottesville protests (this ran BEFORE the event, lots of “cracker” jokes) - that seemed weird and tasteless by the time I watched it. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9976 "2017-08-16T00:29:39Z")
[Quote= the demented leader] I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long…I brought it. I brought it. I brought it [/Quote] When did he start to even triple his lunacies? Brain rot. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9977 "2017-08-16T00:30:56Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Hahahahahaha! He’s talking like a [Clinton](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0) and doesn’t realize it! Oh, what I’d give for him to be so eloquent. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9978 "2017-08-16T00:41:11Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > _Because_ everyone else was harping on the fact that Trump said something about both sides. And you deny there are two sides. Just one. Nothing else. Period. Let’s try to remember what’s really important " > [@](#): > > “I mean I know a lot about Charlottesville. Charlottesville is a great place that has been very badly hurt over the last couple of days. I own, actually, one of the largest wineries in the United States – it’s in Charlottesville.” ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9979 "2017-08-16T00:42:05Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Uh huh. The Allies should have just apologized and gone home :smack: No, no, just made the Nazis some cookies and then ignored them. They would soon have been irrelevant! ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9980 "2017-08-16T00:45:10Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Let’s try to remember what’s really important > " That really is one of the most saddening things about this presidency. No matter what, he turns the conversation around to himself one way or another. It’s like being on a bad first date where your date does nothing but talk about themselves and how awesome they are. Seriously, think about others for a moment. How people can defend this type of behavior is beyond me. It’s not acceptable from a date, and it certainly should not be acceptable from anybody in power. I was reading a story today about the [Irish PM being in town here in Chicago, being made to wait, and then relegated to a small table before the waitress figured out who he was](https://chicago.eater.com/2017/8/15/16152992/irish-pm-varadkar-chicago-college-student-recognized-ireland), and I could not help but think how Trump would have reacted in the same situation. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9981 "2017-08-16T01:23:16Z")
Trump makes Kim Jong Un seem reasonable, articulate and well spoken. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9982 "2017-08-16T01:26:27Z")
…there is a lot of fucking news at the moment. But we can’t allow things like this to [slip through the cracks.](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/justice-department-trump-dreamhost-protests.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON — The Justice Department is trying to force an internet hosting company to turn over information about everyone who visited a website used to organize protests during President Trump’s inauguration, setting off a new fight over surveillance and privacy limits. > > Federal investigators last month persuaded a judge to issue a search warrant to the company, Dreamhost, demanding that it turn over data identifying all the computers that visited its customer’s website and what each visitor viewed or uploaded. > > The company says that would result in the disclosure of a large volume of information about people who had nothing to do with the protests. Over 1.3 million requests were made to view pages on the website in the six days after inauguration alone, it said. > > Dreamhost is fighting the warrant as unconstitutionally broad. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9983 "2017-08-16T01:31:24Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > _Because_ everyone else was harping on the fact that Trump said something about both sides. And you deny there are two sides. Just one. Nothing else. Period. Fuck off with your Nazi apologist bullshit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=498) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=500)