# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 500
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9984 "2017-08-16T01:35:57Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Trump makes Kim Jong Un seem reasonable, articulate and well spoken. I think they are both horrific, in their own precious ways. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9985 "2017-08-16T01:40:07Z")
Trump’s batshit crazy ramblings about people tearing down statues of George Washington actually made me think: I’ve never seen a statue of Washington or Jefferson, outside of Washington DC. I suspect that there are five Robert E. Lee’s for every George Washington around the country. Is there a database of public monuments that we can check? ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9986 "2017-08-16T01:45:05Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Trump makes Kim Jong Un seem reasonable, articulate and well spoken. and fit with good hair :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9987 "2017-08-16T01:52:23Z")
> [@](#): > > I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long. I didn’t wait long… I brought it. I brought it. I brought it… [There is no way out of here. It’ll be dark soon. There is no way out of here.](https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Manos:_The_Hands_of_Fate) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9988 "2017-08-16T01:55:16Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > and fit with good hair :dubious: and I hear he’s a better golfer. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9989 "2017-08-16T02:02:21Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Trump’s batshit crazy ramblings about people tearing down statues of George Washington actually made me think: I’ve never seen a statue of Washington or Jefferson, outside of Washington DC. I suspect that there are five Robert E. Lee’s for every George Washington around the country. Is there a database of public monuments that we can check? Not a Database, but here’s what Wikipedia has: [List of memorials to George Washington - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memorials_to_George_Washington#Monuments) Not a lot of statues, but not zero either. Don’t have anything on Lee. Which reminds me, I had a thought; how about removing the Confederate statues and replacing them with statues of George H. Thomas and David G. Farragut, Americans born in the South (Virginia and Tennessee respectively) who did not deviate from their duty to their country and remained in Federal service (and both were truly superb and courageous leaders). So you have Civil war statues of famous military men…just not the ones most think of… ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9990 "2017-08-16T02:51:38Z")
couple thoughts: 1. I was choking my way through that word salad SteveG posted (thank you for posting that, by the way), and I literally LOL’d at this: “Reporter: Are you against the Confederacy?” A ridiculous question to be asked during a POTUS press conference. But it’s truly mind-boggling that it’s not even out of line. After the shit he’d been saying up to that point, that was a totally legit question! Let that sink in: In 2017, a reporter asked the President of the United States whether he was against the Confederacy, and it didn’t seem fucking out of place. 2. There was a time when punching a Fucking Nazi would earn you a free beer and a hearty handshake. Now we’ve got anonymous shitbirds on the Internet spending four+ days arguing Nazi protesters and punchers are just as bad as the Fucking Nazis/white supremacists/white nationalists/racists/alt-righters themselves. Oh, and these shitbird Nazi sympathizer trolls like Okarahommam are just following the lead of none other than the President of the United States. What a fucking time to be alive. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9991 "2017-08-16T03:20:42Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The only thing that surprised me was that it happened on a Tuesday - I’ve started to think of WEDNESDAY as “Double Down Day.” But maybe it’s just a sneak preview, maybe he’ll say something even worse tomorrow. It’s also obvious that he got his “facts” from Fox News. > > And I expect an exodus this week, starting tomorrow. Maybe Kelly will quit. I kind of think Mnuchin will resign ( I have no specific inside info but I know his family and I’m sure they’re totally appalled, they already hate Trump. And he was standing next to Trump when he went off which is going to make it ten times worse.). And I bet other members of his manufacturing council walk out tomorrow. Ross and Cohn will probably get a lot of pressure to resign but they’re both pretty craven. > > But I expect at least some Senators and Congressman to repudiate him and almost all of them to condemn the incident. > > And I bet some world leaders will react. > > But I’ve stomached through the entire press conference and was really disgusting, way worse than both sides do it. He was pretty much on the side of the racists. > > And at around 4 today I was walking not really near Trump Tower at all -about 15 blocks away- but apparently inside some sort of perimeter because the street was blacked and full of cops. And I saw a group of young men suspiciously dressed identically in khakis and polos. I just took a lot of photos of them ( I couldn’t get good ones unfortunately but they don’t know that.) OTOH, maybe they were just sales reps in town for a conference. > > Wondering what tomorrow will bring, sorry for the ramble. > > Time is just weird these days. I usually TIVO Bill Maher on Friday and watch it on Saturday or Sunday - this week it was Sunday And the program felt completely dated because it was 2 whole days old - most of the discussion was on NK which was old news by then. And they did a comic bit on The Charlottesville protests (this ran BEFORE the event, lots of “cracker” jokes) - that seemed weird and tasteless by the time I watched it. Khaki and Polo is the outfit of the Vanguard America guys – Nazis. [http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly\_fs/1.3407239.1502598317!/img/httpImage/image.jpg\_gen/derivatives/article\_750/fields13n-6-web.jpg](http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3407239.1502598317!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/fields13n-6-web.jpg) from > **[Charlottesville crash suspect James Fields brandished shield for Vanguard...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-crash-suspect-james-fields-brandished-shield-for-vanguard-america-hate-group-before-attack/)** > > James Fields Jr., the maniac driver who police say steered his beloved Dodge Challenger into a crowd of peaceful protesters in Charlottesville, Va., had been brandishing a shield emblazoned with a … The bastard who drove the car was a Vanguard America member. I hope they have the death penalty in Virginia. I’m usually against it, but I can make exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9992 "2017-08-16T03:24:04Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > couple thoughts: > > 1. I was choking my way through that word salad SteveG posted (thank you for posting that, by the way), and I literally LOL’d at this: “Reporter: Are you against the Confederacy?” A ridiculous question to be asked during a POTUS press conference. But it’s truly mind-boggling that it’s not even out of line. After the shit he’d been saying up to that point, that was a totally legit question! Let that sink in: In 2017, a reporter asked the President of the United States whether he was against the Confederacy, and it didn’t seem fucking out of place. > > 2. There was a time when punching a Fucking Nazi would earn you a free beer and a hearty handshake. Now we’ve got anonymous shitbirds on the Internet spending four+ days arguing Nazi protesters and punchers are just as bad as the Fucking Nazis/white supremacists/white nationalists/racists/alt-righters themselves. Oh, and these shitbird Nazi sympathizer trolls like Okarahommam are just following the lead of none other than the President of the United States. What a fucking time to be alive. Sort of sorry for that long ass thing, but it needed to be shown here. I could only choke down a few lines at a time myself. I could feel brain cells dying with each word that dog turd spouted. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9993 "2017-08-16T04:17:24Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Not a Database, but here’s what Wikipedia has: [List of memorials to George Washington - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memorials_to_George_Washington#Monuments) > > Not a lot of statues, but not zero either. Don’t have anything on Lee. > > Which reminds me, I had a thought; how about removing the Confederate statues and replacing them with statues of George H. Thomas and David G. Farragut, Americans born in the South (Virginia and Tennessee respectively) who did not deviate from their duty to their country and remained in Federal service (and both were truly superb and courageous leaders). So you have Civil war statues of famous military men…just not the ones most think of… I like winners, anyway. Not too partial to traitors. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9994 "2017-08-16T04:18:14Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > _Because_ everyone else was harping on the fact that Trump said something about both sides. And you deny there are two sides. Just one. Nothing else. Period. There are two sides in this argument. You’re totally right about that. One one side is decency and civilization. It’s the side that has a lot of people, not all perfect, not all in agreement, not all even fantastic people. But they are trying in their own way, most of them, to make the world an okay place. On the other are the Nazis, their collaborators, and their Quislings. Which side are you on? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9995 "2017-08-16T04:24:15Z")
It is becoming increasingly obvious that President Donald “Sieg Heil” Chump may have to be led away to a padded cell, and maybe sooner rather than later. I am truly ashamed to be an American right now. I’m wondering if it may be time to think about a forced exit of some of the Nazi apologists on this Board too. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9996 "2017-08-16T04:24:45Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > There are two sides in this argument. You’re totally right about that. > > One one side is decency and civilization. It’s the side that has a lot of people, not all perfect, not all in agreement, not all even fantastic people. But they are trying in their own way, most of them, to make the world an okay place. > > On the other are the Nazis, their collaborators, and their Quislings. > > Which side are you on? I am on the side of those who are not evil scum, and those who are not hate-filled violent thugs. Which means, not Nazis, and not “antifa” et al. And that should be clear to any reasonable person from my posts, so your question is clearly there only to insult. If you think that the hate-filled violent thugs who were beating up the Nazis with clubs as reported by that NYT reporter were on the side of “decency and civilization” then you have no idea what decency and civilization is about. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9997 "2017-08-16T04:32:55Z")
[You won’t believe this shocking pic of Antifa violence!](https://www.awesomestories.com/images/user/98d9524122a4d1197dd9b3762c4009c9.jpeg) [Antifa lies and forces just overwhelmed the poor defenders.](https://image.slidesharecdn.com/d-dayincolorphotographsfromthenormandyinvasion-140606132219-phpapp02/95/dday-in-color-photographs-from-the-normandy-invasion-21-638.jpg?cb=1402061056) [No matter how many of their own men they needlessly threw away, the antifa forces continued ever onward…](http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/0d42c83cdae5be1f_landing) [Shrines to the antifa invading dead are still maintained by occupation forces…](https://www.abmc.gov/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/galleries/IMG_0315.JPG?itok=KXs8TxdX) ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9998 "2017-08-16T04:39:01Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am on the side of those who are not evil scum, and those who are not hate-filled violent thugs. Which means, not Nazis, and not “antifa” et al. And that should be clear to any reasonable person from my posts, so your question is clearly there only to insult. > > If you think that the hate-filled violent thugs who were beating up the Nazis with clubs as reported by that NYT reporter were on the side of “decency and civilization” then you have no idea what decency and civilization is about. [Prime example of “whataboutism”.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) From the article: > [@](#): > > When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the response would be “What about…” followed by the naming of an event in the West. It represents a case of tu quoque — an appeal to hypocrisy. The tactic is a type of logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent’s position by accusing hypocrisy. It functions as a diversionary tactic to distract the opponent from their original criticism. Thus, the technique is used to avoid directly refuting or disproving the opponent’s initial argument. The tactic is an attempt at moral relativism, and a form of false moral equivalence. \*Note - citation numbers removed from quote, otherwise straight copy-paste. ---
**Author:** ![dirty\_hippie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@dirty\_hippie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dirty_hippie)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9999 "2017-08-16T04:39:44Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > **Okrahoma’s** head is so far up Trump’s ass they’re sharing eyeballs. I’ve been reading this ongoing thread to kill time and for the usual shitz and giggles. This made me lol in my head. Sent from my C6916 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10000 "2017-08-16T04:45:47Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am on the side of those who are not evil scum, and those who are not hate-filled violent thugs. Which means, not Nazis, and not “antifa” et al. And that should be clear to any reasonable person from my posts, so your question is clearly there only to insult. > > If you think that the hate-filled violent thugs who were beating up the Nazis with clubs as reported by that NYT reporter were on the side of “decency and civilization” then you have no idea what decency and civilization is about. Yeah, just like those violent thugs in the Warsaw ghetto who beat up and shot at the Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10001 "2017-08-16T05:02:03Z")
David Duke thanked Trump for his honesty and courage. [https://mobile.twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/897559892164304896](https://mobile.twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/897559892164304896) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10002 "2017-08-16T05:18:20Z")
[Here is one way to handle](http://www.saak.nl/battlefield%20tour/2001%20normandie/utah_beach/utah%20(2).jpg) Nazis and White Supremacists: ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10003 "2017-08-16T05:22:24Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am on the side of those who are not evil scum, and those who are not hate-filled violent thugs. Which means, not Nazis, and not “antifa” et al. And that should be clear to any reasonable person from my posts, so your question is clearly there only to insult. > . During WW 2, you would have been one of those shit-heads who were saying crap like “we should stay out of this conflict in Europe” and “That Mr. Hitler guy may be a little harsh, but he has the right ideas”. In short, you are one of those who excuse evil, and are a disgusting pustule on the face of humanity. Fucking Nazis and White Supremacists are NOT THE SAME as those who oppose them. NOT. THE. SAME. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=499) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=501)