# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 501
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10004 "2017-08-16T05:24:09Z")
[Another method of dealing with](http://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/usa/aircrafts/b-24-liberator/8th_AF_446_BG_B-24_bombing_Germany_1945.jpg)White Supremacists and Nazis rather effectively. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10005 "2017-08-16T05:59:57Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Trump’s batshit crazy ramblings about people tearing down statues of George Washington actually made me think: I’ve never seen a statue of Washington or Jefferson, outside of Washington DC. I suspect that there are five Robert E. Lee’s for every George Washington around the country. Is there a database of public monuments that we can check? Boston’s got a mighty fine statue of Washington that’s probably familiar to many: [Washington Statue Boston Public Garden](http://www.celebrateboston.com/attractions/public-garden-washington-statue.htm) > [@](#): > > "The colossal equestrian bronze statue of George Washington, in the Public Garden, at the Arlington Street entrance opposite Commonwealth Avenue, is the largest and one of the most impressive works of sculpture in Boston. None of Lee in Boston, for some strange reason. 😃 Here, however, from Wikipedia, is a handy list of Lee monuments, broken down by type: [List of memorials to Robert E. Lee - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memorials_to_Robert_E._Lee) And here’s one for the Father of our country: [List of memorials to George Washington - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_memorials_to_George_Washington) ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10006 "2017-08-16T07:07:09Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Don’t have anything on Lee. The [SPLC](https://www.splcenter.org/20160421/whose-heritage-public-symbols-confederacy) did a study on all monuments honoring the Confederacy (as opposed to monuments documenting the Civil War). The [PDF](https://www.splcenter.org/sites/default/files/whoseheritage_splc.pdf) contains more details including a list of the 1,503 public symbols. I count three Lee statues, one statue of Lee and a Confederate soldier, three Confederate monuments with multiple generals including Lee, three Lee monuments, one Lee sculpture (Why is it called a sculpture and not a statue? No idea.) for a total of 11 monuments. There are an additional 200 (give or take) Lee days, schools, municipalities, and roadways. It’s possible that I missed some; e.g., other than Stone Mountain I don’t know which entries marked simply “Confederate Monument” contain images of Lee. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10007 "2017-08-16T12:19:39Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am on the side of those who are not evil scum, and those who are not hate-filled violent thugs. Which means, not Nazis, and not “antifa” et al. And that should be clear to any reasonable person from my posts, so your question is clearly there only to insult. Lots of news reports come out that make Donald Trump look bad. A whole lot of people will rush into comments sections and say “Whatabout Hillary?” (Okay, it’s normally “Hitlery,” which has its irony, but close enough.) I don’t see those comments and think “Gosh, this person really doesn’t like what Trump did and wants us all to be clear about that.” I think “Gosh, this person really, really wants to change the subject.” Maybe you really don’t like what the Confederate Nazis are up to, but I don’t get that from your posts. I get that you really, really want to change the subject. (And I think you are hoping and praying for an excuse to bring up Hitlery.) I could be wrong. I hope I am. It would be lovely to think that there is one less apologist for white supremacy than I thought. But consider my breath unheld. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10008 "2017-08-16T12:44:36Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am on the side of those who are not evil scum, and those who are not hate-filled violent thugs. Which means, not Nazis, and not “antifa” et al. And that should be clear to any reasonable person from my posts, so your question is clearly there only to insult. > > If you think that the hate-filled violent thugs who were beating up the Nazis with clubs as reported by that NYT reporter were on the side of “decency and civilization” then you have no idea what decency and civilization is about. Contemptible moral fucking coward. You have all the makings an obedient kapo. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10009 "2017-08-16T13:02:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [You won’t believe this shocking pic of Antifa violence!](https://www.awesomestories.com/images/user/98d9524122a4d1197dd9b3762c4009c9.jpeg) > > [Antifa lies and forces just overwhelmed the poor defenders.](https://image.slidesharecdn.com/d-dayincolorphotographsfromthenormandyinvasion-140606132219-phpapp02/95/dday-in-color-photographs-from-the-normandy-invasion-21-638.jpg?cb=1402061056) > > [No matter how many of their own men they needlessly threw away, the antifa forces continued ever onward…](http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/0d42c83cdae5be1f_landing) > > [Shrines to the antifa invading dead are still maintained by occupation forces…](https://www.abmc.gov/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/galleries/IMG_0315.JPG?itok=KXs8TxdX) Nice try, but do you realize that a very significant proportion of the antifa fighters in that war were LITERALLY Stalinists? I swear I am not making this up- look it up yourself! ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10010 "2017-08-16T13:17:11Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Trump’s batshit crazy ramblings about people tearing down statues of George Washington actually made me think: I’ve never seen a statue of Washington or Jefferson, outside of Washington DC. I suspect that there are five Robert E. Lee’s for every George Washington around the country. Is there a database of public monuments that we can check? The NC State Capital Building in Raleigh has a [George Washington as a Roman republican statue](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/5b/e4/15/5be415b286563f3b5f50e1dcc6724a32.jpg) I’m very proud of. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10011 "2017-08-16T13:23:28Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Nice try, but do you realize that a very significant proportion of the antifa fighters in that war were LITERALLY Stalinists? I swear I am not making this up- look it up yourself! Sure, but even they couldn’t stand the fucking nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10012 "2017-08-16T13:47:55Z")
[“I think there is blame on both sides.”](https://images.dailykos.com/images/436856/large/BlameBothSides.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10013 "2017-08-16T14:45:49Z")
So it’s like these pro-white nationalist sentiments are just another example of Trump being focused on undoing everything Obama did. “He was black? I’m going to be the biggest, most beautiful pro-white president ever, believe me.” “People think he was a good speaker? I’m going to be the worst, an absolute trainwreck.” “You say he tried to unite the nation during crises? I’m going to split the shit out of this country, just split it in two. You watch me.” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10014 "2017-08-16T15:23:57Z")
The White House press office has issued a set of fever-swamp [talking points](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/the-president-was-entirely-correct/537042/), declaring Emperor Orangeanus Microdigitus to be “entirely correct”. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10015 "2017-08-16T15:38:03Z")
Next up at the Press Room podium is Hope Hicks. [Who?](http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/hope-hicks-white-house-communications-director/index.html) > [@](#): > > Her relationship with Trump began while she was working for Hiltzik Strategies, a New York public relations firm founded by Matthew Hiltzik, a longtime Hillary Clinton supporter. She eventually left the firm to work for the Trump Organization and worked on several projects, including Ivanka Trump’s fashion line and Trump resorts. > > Because of her close relationship with the President, Hicks is able to avoid much of the infighting in a quarrelsome West Wing. One official described her as “untouchable” and another said she was the President’s “emotional support.” Well, hmmm … > [@](#): > > A White House official noted that Hicks, 28, will not move into the office that is allocated for the communications director, but will instead remain in her current space outside of the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10016 "2017-08-16T15:40:35Z")
Man, [John Kelly looks happy in his work](https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_33/2121586/170816-john-kelly-mc-12-10_05d2aeed150751a724e100ab630b39c5.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg), doesn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10017 "2017-08-16T15:43:47Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Man, [John Kelly looks happy in his work](https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_33/2121586/170816-john-kelly-mc-12-10_05d2aeed150751a724e100ab630b39c5.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg), doesn’t he? Geez, did he force-feed kittens to orphans in a previous life, or what? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10018 "2017-08-16T15:59:30Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Maybe you really don’t like what the Confederate Nazis are up to, but I don’t get that from your posts. I get that you really, really want to change the subject. As I said: tossing up any old thing to see what sticks. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10019 "2017-08-16T16:34:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Next up at the Press Room podium is Hope Hicks. [Who?](http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/hope-hicks-white-house-communications-director/index.html) Hope Hicks. You know, the future ex-wife of Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10020 "2017-08-16T16:42:38Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Man, [John Kelly looks happy in his work](https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_33/2121586/170816-john-kelly-mc-12-10_05d2aeed150751a724e100ab630b39c5.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg), doesn’t he? Seth Meyers used that photo in his analysis of the unhinged press conference. “He broke a general! This man has been to war!” From memory, pretty close. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10021 "2017-08-16T17:02:05Z")
**Okrahoma** , sometimes things are clearer when you change the perspective, so let’s say: You and your family have bought a beautiful suburban home. One day you realize the statue on the front lawn ( left by former residents ) is Osama bin Laden. So you and your family decide to get rid of it as it does not represent your values and ideals. However, there are some alQaeda-thugs living twenty blocks away saying that they won’t let you do it. So you say: “This is our house, we don’t want this statue, and don’t you come here, we don’t want you here.” They show up anyway and are armed. You and your family go outside and they start insulting and threatening you… and then happens X… resulting lots of bruises and one of your kids dead. Now tell me what this X must be that you would say: “Both sides were equally guilty.” And did that X happen in Charlottesville ? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10022 "2017-08-16T17:12:07Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > **Okrahoma** , > > sometimes things are clearer when you change the perspective, so let’s say: > > You and your family have bought a beautiful suburban home. One day you realize the statue on the front lawn ( left by former residents ) is Osama bin Laden. So you and your family decide to get rid of it as it does not represent your values and ideals. However, there are some alQaeda-thugs living twenty blocks away saying that they won’t let you do it. Private property, I can do whatever I want. What a concept. Anyone trespasses, threateningly, police are called and take them away in handcuffs. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10023 "2017-08-16T17:21:24Z")
He just fired his economic councils. By Tweet. > It’s like texting her a pre-emptive breakup when you learn your girlfriend found out you were cheating and is _right now_ on her way to get her stuff: “I decided this isn’t working. Can you clean out your things?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=500) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=502)