# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 505
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10084 "2017-08-16T23:02:42Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Picturing him getting off the plane and saying “So, what’d I miss?” [Channeling Daveed Diggs from his favorite musical.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwSSCpyCdns) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10085 "2017-08-16T23:13:57Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know his own history. This bit; Originally Posted by Okrahoma No thanks. I am much more wary of the leftist thugs coming after me because I am a right winger than some Nazis because I am Jewish. Did you see this bit from Charlottesville, Okra? > **[Why the Charlottesville Marchers Were Obsessed With Jews](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/nazis-racism-charlottesville/536928/)** > > Anti-Semitic logic fueled the violence over the weekend, no matter what the president says. > **[Charlottesville Synagogue President Recounts Nazi Rally | The Mary Sue](https://www.themarysue.com/nazi-rally-passes-by-synagogue/)** > > Alan Zimmerman, president of Congregation Beth Israel in Charlottesville, described what happened as an assemblage of Nazis marched past their synagogue. > **[In Charlottesville, the Local Jewish Community Presses On](https://reformjudaism.org/blog/charlottesville-local-jewish-community-presses)** > > After the nation moves on, we will be left to pick up the pieces. Fortunately, this is a very strong and capable Jewish community, blessed to be led by incredible rabbis. If you really are a Jew and you’re aligned with these people and totally not afraid of them, you’re a fucking moron. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10086 "2017-08-16T23:20:00Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > If you really are a Jew and you’re aligned with these people and totally not afraid of them, **you’re a fucking moron.** That much was already obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10087 "2017-08-16T23:22:23Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > If you really are a Jew and you’re aligned with these people and totally not afraid of them, you’re a fucking moron. I think he’s already established his credentials in that regard. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10088 "2017-08-16T23:22:30Z")
Really, everyone should read those articles. They’re frightening and I get very angry that this shit is happening in my country. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10089 "2017-08-16T23:24:06Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Man, [John Kelly looks happy in his work](https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_33/2121586/170816-john-kelly-mc-12-10_05d2aeed150751a724e100ab630b39c5.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg), doesn’t he? [Are you happy in your work? Do you never, ever shirk? Does your morning menu really send you on your way? Do you greet each day [Can’t make this line out] With new appeal And feel you’re earning your pay?](https://youtu.be/JAY2QFZi_IU) ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10090 "2017-08-16T23:37:47Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Mitch McConnell just jumped off the crazy train. > > “We can have no tolerance for an ideology of racial hatred,” McConnell said in a statement Wednesday. “There are no good neo-Nazis, and those who espouse their views are not supporters of American ideals and freedoms. We all have a responsibility to stand against hate and violence, wherever it raises its evil head.” > > [http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/16/mitch-mcconnell-neo-nazi-trump-charlottesville-comments-241696](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/16/mitch-mcconnell-neo-nazi-trump-charlottesville-comments-241696) Yet I guess he doesn’t have a problem w/ his wife working for a nazi… ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10091 "2017-08-16T23:40:49Z")
> [@Hocus\_Pocus](#): > > Yet I guess he doesn’t have a problem w/ his wife working for a nazi… The strange thing was that she’s trying to straddle the middle and said that she still endorses both of them. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10092 "2017-08-16T23:55:47Z")
Fox [couldn’t get a single Republican](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346867-foxs-shepard-smith-we-couldnt-find-a-republican-willing-to-come) to go on air to defend the president. \*“Our booking team — and they’re good — reached out to Republicans of all stripes across the country today,” Smith said on his show “Shepard Smith Reporting.” “Let’s be honest, Republicans don’t often really mind coming on Fox News Channel. We couldn’t get anyone to come and defend him here because we thought, in balance, someone should do that,” he continued. “We worked very hard at it throughout the day, and we were unsuccessful. And of those who are condemning the president’s condemnable actions, I’ve not heard any prominent leaders, former presidents, members of the House or the Senate use his name while speaking in generalities,” he said.\* ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10093 "2017-08-17T00:11:12Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know his own history. > > Let me make something clear to you: the alt-right, the white nationalists - they’ll \*never \*accept you as one of them. Never. They may act like they do if it serves their purpose, but in the end, it doesn’t matter who you voted for, it doesn’t matter what you believe, to them, you will always be the Other. You’re just another useful idiot, and sooner or later, your usefulness will run out. > > Myself, I know who my enemies are. It’s these exact people my country was founded to fight - not Arabs, not Iranians, not radical leftists. White. Fucking. Racists. That shit stain, if he is in fact jewish as he claims, is a modern day kapo. Beyond contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10094 "2017-08-17T00:12:04Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know his own history. > > Let me make something clear to you: the alt-right, the white nationalists - they’ll \*never \*accept you as one of them. Never. Why would I want to be one of them? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10095 "2017-08-17T00:12:53Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > “We worked very hard at it throughout the day, and we were unsuccessful. And of those who are condemning the president’s condemnable actions, I’ve not heard any prominent leaders, former presidents, members of the House or the Senate use his name while speaking in generalities,” he said.\* Oh but octopus is running from thread to thread claiming to be this great champion of people’s rights! I’m sure he’d be willing to go on Fox and stand up for Trump! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10096 "2017-08-17T00:13:09Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Why would I want to be one of them? What a good question. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10097 "2017-08-17T00:13:45Z")
It’s all about future votes. Period. Trump didn’t want to come down so pointedly on Nazis that his disdain would splash onto his core of white supporters who were marching WITH the Nazis (even though they’re not Nazis). The man doesn’t have a principle in his being–everything is about votes, winning, staying “popular” with the people who support him. He really doesn’t care what anyone else thinks. What a loser. [Emphasis added] [Re Trump’s remarks](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-charlottesville-white-supremacy/537045/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29)about Charlottesville yesterday: > [@](#): > > The president worked to draw a fine distinction between different elements of the march, and in the process to rescue his own vision of pride in white America from being tarnished from association with neo-Nazis. Trump mounted a defense of a political movement rooted in pride about Confederate symbols and white heritage by seeking to disassociate it from its more extreme elements. > > “I am not putting anybody on a moral plane,” he said, but that wasn’t quite right. Trump was passing moral judgment on self-described neo-Nazis and white supremacists, in order to defend those who marched alongside them in defense of a Confederate monument, even if they did not endorse either their means or ultimate ends. \*\*\*The latter group forms a core part of Trump’s support. \*\*\*Although many Republican officeholders rushed to condemn Trump’s comments, _ **there’s little evidence to believe most Trump voters disagree with the president** _. In June 2017, the left-leaning firm Public Policy Polling found that 70 percent of Trump backers support public monuments to the Confederacy, with only 15 percent approve of their removal. In a June 2015 CNN poll, almost six in 10 whites said they viewed the Confederate battle flag as a sign of Southern heritage, not bigotry. > > Having drawn this distinction, Trump could portray what happened in Charlottesville not as a battle over racism but instead as a clash between two equally legitimate political factions… ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10098 "2017-08-17T00:14:01Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > This bit; > > Originally Posted by Okrahoma > No thanks. I am much more wary of the leftist thugs coming after me because I am a right winger than some Nazis because I am Jewish. > > Did you see this bit from Charlottesville, Okra? > > [Anti-Semitism at the Deadly Charlottesville Protests - The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/nazis-racism-charlottesville/536928/) > [https://www.themarysue.com/nazi-rally-passes-by-synagogue/](https://www.themarysue.com/nazi-rally-passes-by-synagogue/) > [In Charlottesville, the Local Jewish Community Presses On | Reform Judaism](http://reformjudaism.org/blog/2017/08/14/charlottesville-local-jewish-community-presses) > > If you really are a Jew and you’re aligned with these people and totally not afraid of them, you’re a fucking moron. If you think I am “aligned with these people” you’re a bigger moron than I thought. Saying that there are two sets of violent hate-filled thugs battling it out in the streets in your idiotic minds somehow gets translated to “you’re aligned with these people”. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10099 "2017-08-17T00:16:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > If you think I am “aligned with these people” you’re a bigger moron than I thought. > > Saying that there are two sets of violent hate-filled thugs battling it out in the streets in your idiotic minds somehow gets translated to “you’re aligned with these people”. Sniveling quisling. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10100 "2017-08-17T00:28:43Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > If you think I am “aligned with these people” you’re a bigger moron than I thought. > > Saying that there are two sets of violent hate-filled thugs battling it out in the streets in your idiotic minds somehow gets translated to “you’re aligned with these people”. There was one set of violent, hate-filled thugs and a different set of people that opposed them. Some that opposed them might have been overzealous to the point of violence – that’s a bad thing, but it’s not nearly as bad as the actions of the white supremacists. It’s entirely reasonable to judge people based on their words and actions. The words and actions of the white supremacists were much, much worse than the words and actions of those that opposed them, in general. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10101 "2017-08-17T00:30:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There was one set of violent, hate-filled thugs and a different set of people that opposed them Who were violent, hate-filled thugs. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10102 "2017-08-17T00:33:09Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Who were violent, hate-filled thugs. Now you’re not even trying. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10103 "2017-08-17T00:33:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Who were violent, hate-filled thugs. Equivocating nazi apologist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=504) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=506)