# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 506
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10104 "2017-08-17T00:34:43Z")
Bets he still hasn’t, and won’t read those articles about the nazis threatening the synagogue. They’re too opposed to his right wing mindset. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10105 "2017-08-17T00:35:54Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Who were violent, hate-filled thugs. … Alex? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10106 "2017-08-17T00:38:25Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Bets he still hasn’t, and won’t read those articles about the nazis threatening the synagogue. They’re too opposed to his right wing mindset. Why you think that’s some kind of “gotcha” I have no idea. Yes, Nazis are anti-semitic hate-filled violent evil thugs. I really don’t understand why you think that thinking and saying that “antifa” leftists are also hate-filled violent evil thugs (who, by the way, are also quite often anti-semitic) somehow negates the first statement. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10107 "2017-08-17T00:40:55Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Who were violent, hate-filled thugs. No they weren’t. Why didn’t you address what I wrote? Perhaps you’re just a moral relativist, unwilling to judge people based on their words and actions except in the most superficial way? ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10108 "2017-08-17T00:41:44Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Bets he still hasn’t, and won’t read those articles about the nazis threatening the synagogue. They’re too opposed to his right wing mindset. Article here by a Guardian reporter who was at the scene: [I was in Charlottesville. Trump was wrong about violence on the left | Jason Wilson | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/charlottesville-violence-right-left-trump) > [@](#): > > I saw a group of 250 or more white-shirted young men shove aside and threaten 20 members of the clergy who had linked arms at the top of a set of stairs, and hurl racial epithets at Cornel West. > > At the time they did this, they were being monitored by counter-protesters, some of whom were themselves armed. But the fact that they were watching was welcomed by West, who said: “We would have been crushed like cockroaches if it were not for the anarchists and the antifascists.” > > I was near the bottom of the stairs that West was standing at the top of. I think he’s right. And bear in mind that he and everyone else in the counter-protest were promoting the values of antiracism, feminism, LGBT rights and equality. > > There was violence from some counter-protesters. But most, like Heather Heyer, who was allegedly killed by one of the far-right marchers, were entirely peaceful. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10109 "2017-08-17T00:47:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No they weren’t. Yes, they were. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10110 "2017-08-17T00:48:12Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > Article here by a Guardian reporter who was at the scene And I already posted the tweet by the NYT reporter: [x.com](https://twitter.com/SherylNYT/status/896575560650035200)? “The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding “antifa” beating white nationalists being led out of the park” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10111 "2017-08-17T00:50:02Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Yes, they were. Okay, so you’re a coward afraid of actually engaging ideas, since I wrote a longer opinion in an effort to engage you, and you ignored it in favor of childish contradiction. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10112 "2017-08-17T00:56:24Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Myself, I know who my enemies are. It’s these exact people my country was founded to fight - not Arabs, not Iranians, not radical leftists. White. Fucking. Racists. Let me put it in terms of your neighborhood. ISIS is battling Hizbullah. If I say that Hisbullah are evil scum terrorists - does that mean I am “aligning myself” with ISIS? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10113 "2017-08-17T01:04:26Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Let me put it in terms of your neighborhood. > > ISIS is battling Hizbullah. If I say that Hisbullah are evil scum terrorists - does that mean I am “aligning myself” with ISIS? Shows how much you know. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10114 "2017-08-17T01:24:03Z")
> [@Okraham](#): > > And I already posted the tweet by the NYT reporter: > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/SherylNYT/status...5560650035200)? > > “The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding “antifa” beating white nationalists being led out of the park” Here’s the thing: For most normal people, hating Nazis is a good thing. Being hate-filled toward white supremacists that are screaming anti-Semitic chants is acceptable. Having hatred in your heart toward members of the KKK who are espousing racial cleansing of our country is fucking noble. Physically pushing back against terrorists who threaten the well-being of American citizens is fucking heroic. Then there are trolls like you. Pathetic individuals in real life, so you find meaning for yourself in an anonymous online existence where you play the part of a shitbird. Actually saying people fighting against racism, that white supremacy and terrorism are as bad as the racists, white supremacists and terrorists themselves. If these were Arab Americans, waving the ISIS flag in Virginia, driving a car into a crowd of peaceful demonstrators and killing a young woman, yelling angrily about blood and soil and Christians and whites, and there were angry counter-protesters-- some of them itching to get physical-- I’m pretty sure your president wouldn’t be so quick to say “many sides were acting poorly.” These white supremacists/Nazis/KKK fucks are just as dangerous to our nation as ISIS. Probably moreso because they’re actually here, organized and have the Big Orange Yam’s approval to carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Pippers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b5a626/32.png) [@Pippers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pippers)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10115 "2017-08-17T01:31:15Z")
[quote=“Okrahoma, post:10098, topic:774070”] If you think I am “aligned with these people” you’re a bigger moron than I thought. snip ".[/QUOTE Have you never heard the expression “if you ain’t wid me, you agin me”. If you aren’t one of them they will use your ass and break your soul. The people resisting white supremacy and nazi nuts are not thugs. I know you know that, but being a contrary, lonely person you won’t admit it. Getting people riled up is the only way you know to communicate. Poor thing. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10116 "2017-08-17T01:36:50Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Shows how much you know. Proof that quisling, cowardly and stupid is a way to go through life after all. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10117 "2017-08-17T01:39:23Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Fox [**couldn’t get a single Republican**](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346867-foxs-shepard-smith-we-couldnt-find-a-republican-willing-to-come) to go on air to defend the president. > > \*“Our booking team — and they’re good — reached out to Republicans of all stripes across the country today,” Smith said on his show “Shepard Smith Reporting.” > > “Let’s be honest, **Republicans don’t often really mind coming on Fox News** Channel. We couldn’t get anyone to come and defend him here because we thought, in balance, someone should do that,” he continued. > > “We worked very hard at it throughout the day, and we were unsuccessful. And of those who are condemning the president’s condemnable actions, I’ve **not heard any prominent leaders, former presidents, members of the House or the Senate use his name while speaking in generalities** ,” he said.\* Because they are all Quislings. Cowards and traitors. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10118 "2017-08-17T01:41:57Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Rumor on the Street says that the remaining had quit by this morning, so this was done in an effort to stave off the embarrassment of having his CEO team quit on him. > > That is unconfirmed, however. Sounds unlikely and a little too pat, but that’s what I’m reading. I heard the same thing. They had already quit, but Resident Chump never loses and is never rejected, so he “fired them” after they quit, so he would look tough to his Nazi fanboys. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10119 "2017-08-17T01:45:53Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Because they are all Quislings. Cowards and traitors. I think you read that wrong. They all condemned what Trump said, they just didn’t name Trump. Basically all of them, from what I have been reading, straight out said that Racism and White Supremacists have no place in our society. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10120 "2017-08-17T01:51:36Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I heard the same thing. They had already quit, but Resident Chump never loses and is never rejected, so he “fired them” after they quit, so he would look tough to his Nazi fanboys. The New York Times also reports it this way. Several of the members of the councils started gathering consensus around a mass exodus Tuesday night. A conference call Wednesday morning sealed the deal. When one of the members passed word of the walkout to Trump, he tweeted that he was disbanding the councils. > **[Inside the C.E.O. Rebellion Against Trump’s Advisory Councils (Published 2017)](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/business/trumps-council-ceos.html?referer=https:%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2F)** > > The president announced that he would dissolve two councils of business leaders after a decision by the members of his Strategic and Policy Forum to disband. A Republican who has lost the support of corporate America. That’s not something I expected to see. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10121 "2017-08-17T01:53:58Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > A Republican who has lost the support of corporate America. That’s not something I expected to see. If it’s any comfort, he’s hardly a republican. Someone just needs to tell the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10122 "2017-08-17T02:00:15Z")
Faux News invites a Liberal and a Conservative to discuss Confederate statues. (Then Trump does his dipshit nazi sympathy ad lib news conference.) Both guests end up in tears criticizing our shitbag President and his lack of basic human decency. > **[Fox News invited a conservative and a liberal to debate Confederate statues....](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/08/16/fox-news-invited-a-conservative-and-a-liberal-to-debate-confederate-statues-they-both-ripped-trump/)** > > “It’s completely lost and has the potential to be morally bankrupt” Caldwell said of defending Trump's latest remarks. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10123 "2017-08-17T02:02:49Z")
On Fox News, no less. Amazing with their careful censorship of the news, they allowed such a thing to air. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=505) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=507)