# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 514
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10264 "2017-08-18T00:59:31Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > The only circumstances where I would actively wish for an assassination of an American President are, as I’ve said before, if this person attempted to declare Martial Law to extend their rule, **stop elections** , impeachments or other measures against them. In which case I would hope and pray that the Secret Service members on the scene would look at each other and put a bullet in his/her brain. > > I don’t even want Trump to die in office. That would be the easy way out. I want him to suffer the humiliation of impeachment and imprisonment for his many crimes. Considering what I bolded, you might have to start wishing. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10265 "2017-08-18T01:13:03Z")
I don’t think that sort of thing would ever happen. No one would allow him to do it as it would be a constitutional crisis the likes this country has never seen and the power to do that is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10266 "2017-08-18T01:35:40Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I don’t think that sort of thing would ever happen. No one would allow him to do it as it would be a constitutional crisis the likes this country has never seen and the power to do that is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Let’s hope that bears out. With all this weird shit going on, less and less is surprising me, though, especially with some of the “rule changing” I’ve seen. I was just going by this [poll](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2020-election-suspend-republicans-half-poll-president-a7887216.html). ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10267 "2017-08-18T01:40:00Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > Let’s hope that bears out. With all this weird shit going on, less and less is surprising me, though, especially with some of the “rule changing” I’ve seen. I was just going by this [poll](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-2020-election-suspend-republicans-half-poll-president-a7887216.html). Yeah, amazing levels of projection on the right. A lot of them swore up and down that Obama was going to do that sort of thing. Now that there’s one of theirs in the WH, they’re perfectly fine with it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10268 "2017-08-18T02:02:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You’re **(Okrahoma)** rather clueless… Made it more accurate. After all, if we were to list everything that Okra is clueless about one by one, we’d run of out electrons. Bolded added by me to make it clear I’m not talking about **running coach**. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10269 "2017-08-18T02:40:29Z")
> [@brossa](#): > > “Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand. > When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin. > **Let his days be few; _and_ let another take his office**. > Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow. > Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places. > Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour. > Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children. > Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.” > > Just to clear up the context of the quote for you. But you knew that already… You really expect conservatives/alt-Reich to know Bible stuff? Ahahahahahahaha! ETA: > [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am not an expert on biblical psalms. . ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10270 "2017-08-18T03:13:03Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Well, sure, sins of the father and all that but… > > Trump, of course, lied about it. Said it never happened. It happened. Fake news from the failing New York Times, because even back when they reported it when it happened in the 20s they were out to get The Donald. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10271 "2017-08-18T03:19:10Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > You really expect conservatives/alt-Reich to know Bible stuff? Ahahahahahahaha! If they’re hard core racists, they’re Neo Norse practitioners. > **[Heathenry (new religious movement)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathenry_(new_religious_movement))** > > Heathenry, also termed Heathenism, contemporary Germanic Paganism, or Germanic Neopaganism, is a modern Pagan religion. Scholars of religious studies classify it as a new religious movement. Developed in Europe during the early 20th century, its practitioners model it on the pre-Christian religions adhered to by the Germanic peoples of the Iron Age and Early Middle Ages. In an attempt to reconstruct these past belief systems, Heathenry uses surviving historical, archaeological, and folkloric e... ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10272 "2017-08-18T03:47:22Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Damn, and I thought this was Infrastructure Week at the White House. When they called Edward Norton, his agent replied that while Mr. Norton would have been happy to assist, previous engagements made it impossible. Mr. Norton is very sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10273 "2017-08-18T05:02:12Z")
Kennedy Center Honorees are dropping out of the traditional visit to the White House. [Legendary Dancer Carmen de Lavallade Declines Invitation to Be Honored at the White House](http://jezebel.com/legendary-dancer-carmen-de-lavallade-declines-invitatio-1797964321)? ---
**Author:** ![Hocus\_Pocus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@Hocus\_Pocus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hocus_Pocus)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10274 "2017-08-18T06:07:13Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > While we’re on Biblical issues, it’s interesting to note that, while corporate CEOs are abandoning Trump in droves, his Evangelical advisors seem happy to hang around and bask in the glow of his white supremacism. They’re holding out until tRump kills the Johnson Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10275 "2017-08-18T06:17:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Kennedy Center Honorees are dropping out of the traditional visit to the White House. > [http://jezebel.com/legendary-dancer-carmen-de-lavallade-declines-invitatio-1797964321](http://jezebel.com/legendary-dancer-carmen-de-lavallade-declines-invitatio-1797964321)? The only confirmed attendee so far is LL Cool J, while Lionel Ritchie, Gloria Estefan (and others?) are still wavering. I’ll wager countless bills, in Lorne Greene years, that преЦАРдент Trump won’t even bother to wait for the others to bow out, and just nix the whole fucking thing. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10276 "2017-08-18T12:44:17Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yeah, amazing levels of projection on the right. A lot of them swore up and down that Obama was going to do that sort of thing. Now that there’s one of theirs in the WH, they’re perfectly fine with it. ☹ This. Every damn thing they’ve accused the Left of being, they are themselves. Their accusations are just revealing how their pathetic little minds work (or fail to). On election night I was trying to find a diplomatic way out with Trumpists but there is simply none to be found. What they voted for was a racist, anti-semitic, misogynistic, lying, narcissistic shit bag, and they need to be called on it. I could kinda bring my mind to the point where I understood the thought that “He’s different, let’s see if ‘different’ works in American politics,” but not now. We’re more than half-way through his first year and it’s clear that this little experiment is not going to work, and there is no defending this guy unless you at least partially or wholly support any of the adjectives I used to describe him. I don’t want to “understand” white working class people who voted for him. I don’t want to know what kind of message and political strategy it will take to convince his hardcore base to embrace a more tolerant and democratic society. That’s pandering and pussing out on our fundamental values. I don’t want any of that. I want them to fucking change. Just be adult men and women and admit you fucked up and voted for a turd, and be done with it. Move on. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10277 "2017-08-18T13:00:05Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I don’t want any of that. I want them to fucking change. Just be adult men and women and admit you fucked up and voted for a turd, and be done with it. Move on. Not gonna happen. I’ve said it before, and now I’ll say it again - the people that currently support this weak and losing “president” are profoundly stupid. They aren’t listening to anyone but Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, Breitbart and anyone that promises to stick it to Liberals. No matter how you talk to them, they Don’t Know and Don’t Want To Know and WILL NOT be educated. They will ALWAYS be this way, there is no “changing” them, and trying to speak to them on their own terms will not work. **The only solution is to outvote them**. There is no “winning them over.” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10278 "2017-08-18T13:17:07Z")
I agree with that. Even with Trump becoming totally unhinged and losing the support of the Republicans in Congress, latest polls show that about 60% of his voters will stick with him _no matter what_. Should be shocking, but I don’t know that I can be shocked by this anymore. The Right Wing Media Complex has created a huge cancer in our midst and profited from it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10279 "2017-08-18T13:17:09Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Not gonna happen. I’ve said it before, and now I’ll say it again - the people that currently support this weak and losing “president” are profoundly stupid. They aren’t listening to anyone but Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh, Breitbart and anyone that promises to stick it to Liberals. No matter how you talk to them, they Don’t Know and Don’t Want To Know and WILL NOT be educated. > > They will ALWAYS be this way, there is no “changing” them, and trying to speak to them on their own terms will not work. > > **The only solution is to outvote them**. There is no “winning them over.” My dad is one of those, and it makes me very, very sad. This isn’t the same guy that raised me; this version of him is pig-ignorant, hateful, stubborn and only concerned with bashing liberals. There is absolutely no reasoning with him. Last year, he went on and on about how Obama-that-scumbag was to blame for his step-grandson (whom he doesn’t even like) getting a two-week layoff from the mine where he worked. Yet, I explained to him how years of right-wing policy in Michigan directly cost me my job this spring, he didn’t seem to give a shit. I told him if they repeal the ACA, that essentially leaves his son, daughter-in-law and two young grandchildren uninsured, and he, surprise surprise, didn’t seem to give a shit. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10280 "2017-08-18T13:20:00Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Business of business and business of religion are two very different businesses. True, and the businesses are not generally taking a moral stand, but protecting their bottom lines (the Merck guy I’d give credit for a moral stand). But it is amazing that their words and actions better align with the supposed tenets of the moral leaders, and that the moral leaders on the council are not speaking up. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10281 "2017-08-18T13:21:59Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > While we’re on Biblical issues, it’s interesting to note that, while corporate CEOs are abandoning Trump in droves, his Evangelical advisors seem happy to hang around and bask in the glow of his white supremacism. Many of them [outright agree with his racism](http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/august/trump-evangelical-advisers-charlottesville-white-supremacis.html): > [@](#): > > Jerry Falwell Jr. praised Trump in his first mention of the Charlottesville incident on Wednesday: “Finally a leader in WH. Jobs returning, N Korea backing down, bold truthful stmt about #charlottesville tragedy.So proud of @realdonaldtrump” Others offer lame excuses: > [@](#): > > “Could you imagine Daniel, Jeremiah, Samuel, Nathan, or Isaiah saying they’d no longer advise or speak to the king or government?,” asked Tony Suarez, vice president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference Why would I have to imagine such a thing? I can read all about it, right there in the Bible! [QUOTE=1 Samuel 15:35] And _Samuel came no more to see Saul_ until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=John 19:9] And [Pilate] went again into the judgment hall, and saith unto Jesus, Whence art thou? But _Jesus gave him no answer_. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10282 "2017-08-18T13:25:00Z")
> [@](#): > > The Right Wing Media Complex has created a huge cancer in our midst and profited from it. QFT and we can’t JUST outvote them thanks to the success they are having with voter suppression and heaven knows what else they are doing - our numbers have to BURY them. we have those numbers but the Reich Wing is well funded and prepared. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10283 "2017-08-18T13:36:59Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > My dad is one of those, and it makes me very, very sad. This isn’t the same guy that raised me; this version of him is pig-ignorant, hateful, stubborn and only concerned with bashing liberals. > > There is absolutely no reasoning with him. Last year, he went on and on about how Obama-that-scumbag was to blame for his step-grandson (whom he doesn’t even like) getting a two-week layoff from the mine where he worked. Yet, I explained to him how years of right-wing policy in Michigan directly cost me my job this spring, he didn’t seem to give a shit. I told him if they repeal the ACA, that essentially leaves his son, daughter-in-law and two young grandchildren uninsured, and he, surprise surprise, didn’t seem to give a shit. Yeah, this is some deep culture war shit that I just can’t wrap my head around. I hear some of these types talk about how “I didn’t leave the Democratic party; the Democratic party left me.” Seems they were comfortable when the Democratic party was more of a compromise between northern labor and Middle America and Deep South’s social value system. When it became a more inclusive party many of these people left. I say good riddance - they’re aging and voting in fewer numbers. One of the reasons so many of them came out on election night is probably because they sensed that it might be their last chance. I’m in agreement that the Democratic party has probably become too focused on the problems of urban America and needs more outreach in the hinterland, but that can’t mean compromising values. There are probably a lot of people out there in farm country who really don’t care so much about ‘Heartland values’ at the federal level as long as their bottom line is taken care of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=513) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=515)