# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 516
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10304 "2017-08-18T15:23:28Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > K. I like the “2A” and I voted for Hillary. So “o” can choke on that too. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10305 "2017-08-18T15:23:47Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > Point and Laugh is waaaay better than violence of any sort. I think “laughing at them, recording them, and spreading the videos to show how ridiculous the fascists are” is the best policy. I’ll bet it will be effective as hell, too. I think people thought it would keep people from voting for Trump. It didn’t. It’s fine to personally laugh at or mock a Nazi, though doubt it would do anything. I don’t think it’s fine to make that all we do. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10306 "2017-08-18T15:26:27Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I don’t think that sort of thing would ever happen. No one would allow him to do it as it would be a constitutional crisis the likes this country has never seen and the power to do that is nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Wanna bet??? > **[Analysis | In a new poll, half of Republicans say they would support...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/10/in-a-new-poll-half-of-republicans-say-they-would-support-postponing-the-2020-election-if-trump-proposed-it/?utm_term=.b69f02d08e50)** > > A significant number of Republicans would support flagrant violations of democratic norms. In a new poll, half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump proposed it Critics of President Trump have repeatedly warned of his potential to undermine American democracy. Among the concerns are his repeated assertions that he would have won the popular vote had 3 to 5 million “illegals” not voted in the 2016 election, a claim echoed by the head of a White House advisory committee on voter fraud. Claims of large-scale voter fraud are not true, but that has not stopped a substantial number of Republicans from believing them. But how far would Republicans be willing to follow the president to stop what they perceive as rampant fraud? Our recent survey suggests that the answer is quite far: **About half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 presidential election** until the country can fix this problem. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10307 "2017-08-18T15:32:05Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Many of them [outright agree with his racism](http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/august/trump-evangelical-advisers-charlottesville-white-supremacis.html): > > Others offer lame excuses: > > Why would I have to imagine such a thing? I can read all about it, right there in the Bible! And then there was Moses, who got in the Pharoah’s face and called him OUT. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10308 "2017-08-18T15:39:22Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > So, what do we do? > > I’m seriously about to give up. I do not want this country to erupt in violence, but it’s clear the Nazis want violence, and it’s clear some on the left do, too. And the only way I can think of to stop it, since the Nazis are beyond reach, is appealing to my fellow leftists to take it down a notch. I don’t know what else might work, but I afraid we’re on the precipice of something bloody and ugly. No. Nazis will, as always, see that as weakness. We need to have the law arrest them charge them and imprison them. We have laws on the books for that already. And televise every time another one melts down into a sobbing whiny self pitying blubbering mess. Rioting, assault, incitement, maybe even sedition, brandishing of weapons, intimidation,etc etc etc. Anything that will stick. But that means next time, the cops can’t just stand around doing nothing. They get in there and do their job. Make the arrests and file the charges. Imagine if the Nazis are not white, how many would have been firehosed, clubbed, dog bit or shot. So why not enforce that same thing on Nazis??? And if the cops won’t make the arrests it, fire them and get some who will. Nazis only respect force. Well let the LAW give them exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10309 "2017-08-18T15:45:10Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I think people thought it would keep people from voting for Trump. It didn’t. > > It’s fine to personally laugh at or mock a Nazi, though doubt it would do anything. I don’t think it’s fine to make that all we do. I’m just thinking of what DC comics did with Superman during the last resurgence of the KKK. They sent a spy to infiltrate Klan meetings and then they mocked the hell out of their dumb rituals. And it appears to have made a difference. [How Superman Defeated the KKK](http://mentalfloss.com/article/23157/how-superman-defeated-ku-klux-klan) ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10310 "2017-08-18T16:03:32Z")
Bannon is likely [out soon](https://www.axios.com/white-house-review-nears-end-officials-expect-bannon-firing-2474443198.html) (though we’ve heard this before). But, CNBC reporting that he is not on Air Force One as it heads to Camp David right now. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10311 "2017-08-18T16:04:39Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Bannon is likely [out soon](https://www.axios.com/white-house-review-nears-end-officials-expect-bannon-firing-2474443198.html) (though we’ve heard this before). But, CNBC reporting that he is not on Air Force One as it heads to Camp David right now. I hope his liver explodes on him. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10312 "2017-08-18T16:12:59Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > In a new poll, half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 election if Trump proposed it “Half of Republicans” is less than 15% of all Americans. That’s nowhere enough to make it happen. ETA: I see that in this particular poll, 49% “identify with or lean toward the Republican Party”, and 47% of them would support postponing the election. That’s still only 26% of those polled. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10313 "2017-08-18T16:14:15Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Bannon is likely [out soon](https://www.axios.com/white-house-review-nears-end-officials-expect-bannon-firing-2474443198.html) (though we’ve heard this before). But, CNBC reporting that he is not on Air Force One as it heads to Camp David right now. Bannon reported that white supremacists are ‘‘clowns,’’ thinking he was off the record. I thought he was one. What exactly is Bannon’s deal? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10314 "2017-08-18T16:15:16Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > “Half of Republicans” is less than 15% of all Americans. That’s nowhere enough to make it happen. I’m not worried about it happening. But that 15% of Americans would be cool with suspending Democracy because Trump Knows Best is fucking creepy. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10315 "2017-08-18T16:18:21Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Bannon is likely [out soon](https://www.axios.com/white-house-review-nears-end-officials-expect-bannon-firing-2474443198.html) (though we’ve heard this before). But, CNBC reporting that he is not on Air Force One as it heads to Camp David right now. “His departure may seem turbulent in the media, but inside it will be very smooth. He has no projects or responsibilities to hand off.” Heh. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10316 "2017-08-18T16:20:53Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > “Half of Republicans” is less than 15% of all Americans. That’s nowhere enough to make it happen. > > ETA: I see that in this particular poll, 49% “identify with or lean toward the Republican Party”, and 47% of them would support postponing the election. That’s still only 26% of those polled. It’s still too many. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10317 "2017-08-18T16:22:12Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Bannon reported that white supremacists are ‘‘clowns,’’ thinking he was off the record. > > I thought he was one. What exactly is Bannon’s deal? Anarchy. In his own words, he wants to tear it all down. Aside from being a racist anyway. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10318 "2017-08-18T16:23:20Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It’s still too many. I’m still more disturbed that Trump still has a ~38% approval rating. It didn’t even drop measurably this week. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10319 "2017-08-18T16:23:41Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Anarchy. In his own words, he wants to tear it all down. > Aside from being a racist anyway. Well, he effectively has. Nobody is running the government right now. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10320 "2017-08-18T16:31:25Z")
Oh, people are taking control of things they want to control, I’m sure of that. Power abhors a vacuum. Now, who they are and what they want, _that’s_ what we need to know. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10321 "2017-08-18T16:31:30Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Well, he effectively has. Nobody is running the government right now. He has succeeded. He has turned this country into a clusterfuck. “Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.” - Bannon ---
**Author:** ![JKilez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e5b9ba/32.png) [@JKilez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKilez)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10322 "2017-08-18T16:40:04Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Bannon reported that white supremacists are ‘‘clowns,’’ thinking he was off the record. > > I thought he was one. What exactly is Bannon’s deal? He sees himself as the Ringmaster. He manipulates the clowns to help push the country in his direction. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10323 "2017-08-18T16:48:37Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Bannon is likely [out soon](https://www.axios.com/white-house-review-nears-end-officials-expect-bannon-firing-2474443198.html) (though we’ve heard this before). But, CNBC reporting that he is not on Air Force One as it heads to Camp David right now. And you’re right! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=515) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=517)