# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 528
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10544 "2017-08-23T06:27:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump threatens to shut down the government in order to get his wall built, and hints at pardoning Arpaio. > [Trump: I'm building the wall even 'if we have to close down our government'](https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/22/trump-says-hes-willing-to-shut-down-the-government-to-get-his-border-wall.html) How is shutting down the government going to get Mexico to pay for the wall? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10545 "2017-08-23T06:48:07Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > How is shutting down the government going to get Mexico to pay for the wall? [Pity](http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/rick-and-morty-recap-season-3-episode-5.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10546 "2017-08-23T10:41:38Z")
What’s all the fuss about the cost of building a wall? Surely that racist convict Arpaio could pay that racist president Trump for a pardon with a short-arm shovel. The world would be a safer place if the Hater-in-Chief spent the rest of his term shoveling a pile of dirt in a desert. Surely he must have an old real-estate sign that could be written over with “Trump Presidential Library.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10547 "2017-08-23T11:00:51Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Well, it sounds like the worm is beginning to turn. Or in this case, the turtle has begun to turn. [From tomorrow’s NYTimes:](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-trump.html) > > And that’s just the opening paragraph. I quoted this in another thread but good golly I love it so much I have to quote it again: > That is one profane shouting match I would give a week’s wages to overhear! > > The article is chock full of examples from Republicans talking off the record about how fed up most Senators are with POTUS. That doesn’t bode well for Mr. Trump. > > And his expectations that McConnell would, or could, use his position as Majority Leader to protect him from the Russia investigation, if proven true, smells like an attempt to obstruct justice. > > This could be getting really good, really soon. As I said a few weeks ago when Trump was having a hissy over the Obamacare bill, Senator McConnell is not the guy Trump wants to fuck with. Conservative populists might rage against McConnell but the fact is that they owe him a lot more than someone like Trump. Without McConnell, there’s a left-leaning majority on the Supreme Court. Obama’s legislative agenda was severely derailed because of McConnell. He has built coalitions that obstruct on defense and score on offense. Trump has done absolutely nothing and McConnell’s right - his distractions may have made it easier for moderates to say no to Trump publicly in states where he’s not as popular. Trump might be planning to use his base to go after McConnell, but with Bannon’s departure, that might not work so well. Bannon is going to brutalize Trump every time he appears to get soft. Trump can’t be both a more conventional president and keep his base. If things had started out differently he might have been able to pull that off, but he’s trapped now. He’s made too many enemies on many fronts. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10548 "2017-08-23T11:24:55Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > [Pity](http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/rick-and-morty-recap-season-3-episode-5.html)? > [@Dildo Bugger](#): > > It’s a pity I’ve run out of bullets note to secret service - > [@Foghorn Leghorn](#): > > [SIZE=“1”]It’s a joke, son and in no way is intended as a threat to the president or any other person (and why doesn’t the quote box respect the size tag? I had to recode it for the inside text)[/SIZE] ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10549 "2017-08-23T11:52:27Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > What’s all the fuss about the cost of building a wall? > > Surely that racist convict Arpaio could pay that racist president Trump for a pardon with a **short-arm** shovel. > > The world would be a safer place if the Hater-in-Chief spent the rest of his term shoveling a pile of dirt in a desert. Surely he must have an old real-estate sign that could be written over with “Trump Presidential Library.” (Bolding mine.) You did that on purpose, didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10550 "2017-08-23T12:22:31Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > As I said a few weeks ago when Trump was having a hissy over the Obamacare bill, Senator McConnell is not the guy Trump wants to fuck with. :eek: [Spicer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpUcfpbnrs&feature=youtu.be&t=442)? > [@asahi](#): > > Bannon is going to brutalize Trump every time he appears to get soft. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10551 "2017-08-23T12:37:58Z")
All this bitching between the dumpster and the turtle is fine, but Mrs. Turtle is still in the cabinet, no? Albeit one of the ones I haven’t heard is destroying her department. If she quit, that would be more of a statement. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10552 "2017-08-23T12:48:54Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > … > > > [@](#): > > > > In a series of tweets this month, Mr. Trump criticized Mr. McConnell publicly, then berated him in a phone call that quickly devolved into a profane shouting match. > > That is one profane shouting match I would give a week’s wages to overhear! > > … No kidding! Where are the leakers when we need them? McConnell would not have said what he did about Trump if he did not know for sure that a significant number of Senators agreed. He’s not one to stick his (turtle’s) neck out. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10553 "2017-08-23T13:02:58Z")
Antagonizing McConnell seems to be along the same lines as being unnecessarily rude to your waiter. Forrest Trump may come to regret that when Turtle is weighing an impeachment decision after Mueller has presented his findings. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10554 "2017-08-23T13:18:27Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > How is shutting down the government going to get Mexico to pay for the wall? To keep us out. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10555 "2017-08-23T14:18:12Z")
Haven’t had a chance to look at the news today, but heard on NPR in the car that the glow of statesmanship and mental cohesion that Trump acquired after his Afghanistan speech was blown by his ranting behavior at the Phoenix rally. Can someone catch me up? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10556 "2017-08-23T14:26:16Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Haven’t had a chance to look at the news today, but heard on NPR in the car that the glow of statesmanship and mental cohesion that Trump acquired after his Afghanistan speech was blown by his ranting behavior at the Phoenix rally. Can someone catch me up? It was the same as any other rally. “Lock her up” chants, ranting about the fake media, claiming the liberal other is trying to destroy “our culture” (what does a billionaire New York real estate developer share culturally with Arizona Trump voters?). He lied about why he was getting flak for defending neo-Nazis. Implied he’d pardon Joe Arpaio. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10557 "2017-08-23T14:39:36Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > It was the same as any other rally. “Lock her up” chants, ranting about the fake media, claiming the liberal other is trying to destroy “our culture” (what does a billionaire New York real estate developer share culturally with Arizona Trump voters?). He lied about why he was getting flak for defending neo-Nazis. Implied he’d pardon Joe Arpaio. These rallies are just orgasms of collective white suburban rage, but as Steve Bannon will surely talk about in the coming months, there’s going to be a time for Trump to deliver the checks that his big fat mouth is writing. He’s painted himself into a corner. He can’t be nice Trump and white nationalist Trump at the same time. That’s not the sort of issue that lends itself to compromise. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10558 "2017-08-23T14:42:42Z")
Read in WaPo this morning that people were leaving before he was done. It was rambling, the event was long, hot and people had their water confiscated on their way in. Also, from what I gather, he was especially vicious toward the media, more so than usual, accusing them of genuinely hating America. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10559 "2017-08-23T14:51:26Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Read in WaPo this morning that people were leaving before he was done. It was rambling, the event was long, hot and people had their water confiscated on their way in. > > Also, from what I gather, he was especially vicious toward the media, more so than usual, accusing them of genuinely hating America. It was probably having their water taken that did it. Those people are idiots. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10560 "2017-08-23T14:54:07Z")
There goes the FAKE media telling people that they actually need to stay hydrated in hot, dry weather. #FAKE ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10561 "2017-08-23T14:56:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It was probably having their water taken that did it. Those people are idiots. They need to be kept thirsty in order to drink the magnum-sized bottles of Kool-Aid. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10562 "2017-08-23T14:57:57Z")
> [@Crybaby\_Boobie](#): > > All this bitching between the dumpster and the turtle is fine, but Mrs. Turtle is still in the cabinet, no? Mrs. Turtle was one of the figures used as stage props for Orangeanus’ “many fine people among the Klansmen and neo-Nazis” speech. I’ve heard that Mr. Turtle is… not entirely pleased about that. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10563 "2017-08-23T15:18:07Z")
Meanwhile, Hillary apparently refers to Trump as a “creep” and said he made her skin crawl in a book excerpt. > **[Hillary Clinton calls Donald Trump a ‘creep,’ says her ‘skin crawled’ during...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/23/hillary-clinton-said-her-skin-crawled-when-donald-trump-stood-behind-her-on-debate-stage/?utm_term=.c67d3a86e7a3)** > > Clinton's new book “What Happened” includes moments from the campaign she wishes she could “go back and do over.” The National Weather Service has just issued a severe Twitter storm watch until the end of the week. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=527) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=529)