# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 530
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10584 "2017-08-23T19:45:22Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > - > - Yes, of course he would typo, and yes, of course it’s a tweet. Ban dihydrogen monoxide!!! ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10585 "2017-08-23T20:52:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The chief science advisor to the State Department has resigned, and his resignation letter spells out the word IMPEACH. > [State Department Science Envoy Quits With Not-So-Secret Message For Trump: 'IMPEACH' | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/state-department-science-envoy-sends-not-so-secret-message-to-trump-impeach_us_599d9fcae4b0d97c4000a0d6) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10586 "2017-08-23T21:13:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > … Confiscated their water? WTF?? … > [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > Was the venue selling trump-branded water? I’ve been trying to find the reason for the confiscation–no luck, so far. If the venue HAD been pushing the sale of water bottles (for Trump’s personal profit), that surely would have been noticed and mentioned. So I’m thinking it must have been a decision by the security providers–whether for the city of Phoenix, for the convention center, or by the Secret Service–that the water bottles could contain something other than water. Something that would ignite or blow up. Seems nutty. It was a hot August night–107 degrees!–and people would have needed water. Security could have made each person with a bottle take a good swig from it, to prove it wasn’t gasoline or such. Anyway, in my search I found that Trump supporters, dismayed by how unimpressive was the size his Phoenix crowd, apparently decided to use a more patron-packed photo: > [@](#): > > On Tuesday night into Wednesday morning, a picture supposedly from outside rally circulated through social media. > According to The Arizona Republic, Tennessee Republicans shared a photo of what was purportedly a massive crowd of supporters gathered in the streets ahead of Trump’s speech. > > The Twitter account @TEN\_GOP, which says its an unofficial account for Republicans in Tennessee, tweeted the photo with the caption: “Massive crowd waiting outside for the Trump rally in Phoenix!” The account is not affiliated with the Tennessee Republican Party. > The Twitter account also used the photo for a side-by-side comparison of the anti-Trump crowd versus the pro-Trump crowd, with the anti-Trump photo showing a significantly smaller crowd. > > But, as the Arizona newspaper points out, the picture of the pro-Trump crowd is actually from the 2016 Cleveland Cavaliers parade after the team won the NBA championship. [http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865687327/Fake-news-This-pro-Trump-rally-photo-isnt-what-you-think-it-is.html](http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865687327/Fake-news-This-pro-Trump-rally-photo-isnt-what-you-think-it-is.html) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10587 "2017-08-23T21:16:11Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Is that supposed to be a blank stare? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Evin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@Evin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evin)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10588 "2017-08-23T21:18:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The chief science advisor to the State Department has resigned, and his resignation letter spells out the word IMPEACH. > [State Department Science Envoy Quits With Not-So-Secret Message For Trump: 'IMPEACH' | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/state-department-science-envoy-sends-not-so-secret-message-to-trump-impeach_us_599d9fcae4b0d97c4000a0d6) The prayers of countless thousands sent Heavenwards from Reno thy safe return, Ennobled as thou art with duty well performed, Bringing peace, security and joy Among the peoples of this Great (Again) Land. So saddened and depressed until your presence Taught us discern and help decide what’s best for All on whom fortune had not smiled. Remember if you will the kindness and the love Devotion and the respect that we the people have for Thee! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10589 "2017-08-23T21:29:40Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I’ve been trying to find the reason for the confiscation–no luck, so far. If the venue HAD been pushing the sale of water bottles (for Trump’s personal profit), that surely would have been noticed and mentioned. > > So I’m thinking it must have been a decision by the security providers–whether for the city of Phoenix, for the convention center, or by the Secret Service–that the water bottles could contain something other than water. Something that would ignite or blow up. > > Seems nutty. It was a hot August night–107 degrees!–and people would have needed water. Security could have made each person with a bottle take a good swig from it, to prove it wasn’t gasoline or such. > Anyway, in my search I found that Trump supporters, dismayed by how unimpressive was the size his Phoenix crowd, apparently decided to use a more patron-packed photo: > > [http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865687327/Fake-news-This-pro-Trump-rally-photo-isnt-what-you-think-it-is.html](http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865687327/Fake-news-This-pro-Trump-rally-photo-isnt-what-you-think-it-is.html) Even an actual water bottle, full of actual water, can be used as a weapon, if people are stupid enough. I could see concerns about water bottles being thrown by agitators either at the stage or into the crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10590 "2017-08-23T21:40:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I’ve been trying to find the reason for the confiscation–no luck, so far. Because people have been [using them as weapons](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/demonstration-race-free-speech-boston-charlottesville.html), both to throw and to spray people with substances of questionable provenance? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10591 "2017-08-23T21:48:00Z")
If water bottles are such a threat, perhaps a rally in Phoenix in late August isn’t the best decision. ETA: Upon further consideration of the person at the center of it all, I should expect nothing less. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10592 "2017-08-23T21:50:17Z")
I vaguely recall not being allowed to bring bottles into similar secured venues, e.g. a Bill Clinton event during his second presidential campaign, and 4th of July fireworks on the National Mall in 2002. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10593 "2017-08-23T21:50:20Z")
Okay, so ‘weapons.’ The “substances of questionable provenance” issue would have been taken care of by making each entrant take a good swig from their bottle. But the ‘throwing actual water in a bottle’ issue wouldn’t, I’ll concede. Must have been a horrible couple of hours, at 107 degrees, though. No wonder people were leaving early. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10594 "2017-08-23T21:59:17Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > If water bottles are such a threat, perhaps a rally in Phoenix in late August isn’t the best decision. > > ETA: Upon further consideration of the person at the center of it all, I should expect nothing less. That’s pretty dumb on them anyway. The organizers would have been aware that security was going to ban water bottles, and the organizers should have been aware that they were in phoenix in the summer. I understand why the didn’t allow the bottles, I just don’t understand why they proceeded with the rally. I did a brief skim of the news, but didn’t see anything. Were there actually any reports of anyone needing medical attention due to the heat and dehydration? I visited phoenix once in the summer, and the friend I was visiting told me to drink water. I drank some water, he said, no, _you need to drink water._ It does not take long for you to get into serious trouble in that sort of heat. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10595 "2017-08-23T22:03:05Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > That’s pretty dumb on them anyway. The organizers would have been aware that security was going to ban water bottles, and the organizers should have been aware that they were in phoenix in the summer. > > I understand why the didn’t allow the bottles, I just don’t understand why they proceeded with the rally. > > I did a brief skim of the news, but didn’t see anything. Were there actually any reports of anyone needing medical attention due to the heat and dehydration? > > I visited phoenix once in the summer, and the friend I was visiting told me to drink water. I drank some water, he said, no, _you need to drink water._ It does not take long for you to get into serious trouble in that sort of heat. With all the money he’s collected in donations (or even his own money. He’s very, very rich, remember?), water could have been offered inside the venue. Just provide disposable cups. The optics of an entire crowd of Trump supporters holding red Solo cups would have been priceless. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10596 "2017-08-23T22:14:01Z")
[You don’t have to be crazy to be a black Trump supporter…](https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/gettyimages-837555078.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=782) […but it helps.](http://uproxx.com/news/who-was-the-blacks-for-trump-guy-sign-phoenix-rally/) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10597 "2017-08-23T22:15:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > With all the money he’s collected in donations (or even his own money. He’s very, very rich, remember?), water could have been offered inside the venue. Just provide disposable cups. > > The optics of an entire crowd of Trump supporters holding red Solo cups would have been priceless. 😃 red Solo cup I drink you up Let’s have a party 😃 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10598 "2017-08-23T22:18:13Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > With all the money he’s collected in donations (or even his own money. He’s very, very rich, remember?), water could have been offered inside the venue. Just provide disposable cups. > > The optics of an entire crowd of Trump supporters holding red Solo cups would have been priceless. 😃 If they used Dixie cups, they could make the racists happy too. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10599 "2017-08-23T22:24:50Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The “substances of questionable provenance” issue would have been taken care of by making each entrant take a good swig from their bottle. They could [have the courage of their convictions](https://www.google.com/search?q=drink+liquid+meth&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10600 "2017-08-23T23:11:40Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > They could [have the courage of their convictions](https://www.google.com/search?q=drink+liquid+meth&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8). Yikes. I’m not going to look at the video, but have no doubt that there are persons on the planet who ‘have the courage of their convictions’ (if you want to put it that way). In the meantime, I’m still finding the fake-photo thing (about the size of the crowd outside Trump’s rally) a head-scratcher. I thought Trump fans were adamant about truth and ‘real news’…? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10601 "2017-08-23T23:25:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > With all the money he’s collected in donations (or even his own money. He’s very, very rich, remember?), water could have been offered inside the venue. Just provide disposable cups… Nope. Trump didn’t get rich by giving stuff away. That includes water and cups. He should have had the people dump out their water and bring the empty bottles in (like at the airport) and then fill them for a price from water dispensing stations once inside. No free refills either! When will he start installing metal detectors and x-ray machines at the entrances to his rallies? Especially the x-ray machines-- he can save pics of the virtually unclothed women for his personal viewing later. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10602 "2017-08-23T23:35:46Z")
So in the infamous NY Times article of today, Roger Stone thinks that if Trump successfully gets incumbent senators or representatives defeated in the primaries, Ryan and McConnell would “wet their pants” and the party would fall in line behind Trump. Notwithstanding whether it’s possible, if it were, and it were actually done, would they? I’m kind of torn. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10603 "2017-08-24T01:25:01Z")
You REALLY can’t make this stuff up. > [@](#): > > Paul Waldman‏ @paulwaldman1 > > I will never stop being amazed that the president of the United States thinks “clean coal” means you mine the coal and then you clean it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=529) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=531)