# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 548
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10944 "2017-09-05T20:20:44Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I’ve always wondered if the Secret Service is normally in the Oval Offfice? Sure, they’re supposed to be tight-lipped, but I’m certain that a lot of what goes on in there is above their paygrade/classification level, so the COS or POTUS pretty regularly clears them out. > > Then Kelly beats him, and denies it. Who’re you gonna believe? Particularly if he doesn’t leave any obvious marks? Oh yeah, and I’m bettin’ that Kelly knows how to mess him up without leavin’ any stinkin’ marks! Because I’m sure that ya get trained in that sort of thing when ya go ta “General School”… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10945 "2017-09-05T20:32:21Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > Oh yeah, and I’m bettin’ that Kelly knows how to mess him up without leavin’ any stinkin’ marks! Because I’m sure that ya get trained in that sort of thing when ya go ta “General School”… 🙂 Not in General School, but Kelly was an USMC sergeant in the early 1970s, and in that era sergeants may well have had the opportunity for such on the job training.😉 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10946 "2017-09-05T20:45:47Z")
I bet deep down he’d love to get his hands on a shit talking draft dodger. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10947 "2017-09-05T20:49:58Z")
This is old – late March – but I thought it should be added to the tally anyway. Whilst looking around in relation to one of the “cops search your car” threads, I came across a blog entry, on the ACLU site. Pertaining to Civil Asset Forfeiture reform (police just stealing your stuff and making you fight to prove its innocence) > [@"\[Kanya](#): > > ([Despite President Trump’s Support for Legalized Theft, Congress Presses on With Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform | ACLU](https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/despite-president-trumps-support-legalized-theft))"]“We’ll destroy his career.” … President Trump said about a Texas lawmaker who wanted to reform civil asset forfeiture, or the ability of cops to confiscate people’s property, often without convicting them of a crime. > … > Civil forfeiture reform is a bipartisan issue.… According to a recent Cato Institute/YouGov poll, a substantial majority of Americans, 84 percent, oppose civil forfeiture. > … > Trump’s comment about destroying someone’s career over forfeiture reform is just another example of his disconnect with the American people — and his own party — as well as his penchant for intimidation. The public has long known that civil asset forfeiture promotes unconstitutional policing, over-policing, biased policing, and militarized policing. (Sadly, the bill in Congress is called “the DUEPROCESS Act” – wth is this shit that every fucking thing has to be a damn acronym?) ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10948 "2017-09-05T21:40:26Z")
Now he’s killing DACA. All those people who came forward and self-identified, believing the government’s words at the time? Fucked. All the people who came over as children or infants? Fucked. The racist fascist bastard is really gonna do it. Just because Obama created it (spite), and just because brown people (racism). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10949 "2017-09-05T22:04:47Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Just because Obama created it (spite), and just because brown people (racism). Re: Obama spite, which seems to be Trump’s primary motivation… I read today on Facebook, something that I wish I’d thought of first: “Next, Trump will track down and kill all the Thanksgiving turkeys that Obama pardoned.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10950 "2017-09-05T22:06:50Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Re: Obama spite, which seems to be Trump’s primary motivation… > > I read today on Facebook, something that I wish I’d thought of first: “Next, Trump will track down and kill all the Thanksgiving turkeys that Obama pardoned.” From the bloated appearance of that fat fuck, he already did. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10951 "2017-09-05T22:56:48Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Now he’s killing DACA. > > All those people who came forward and self-identified, believing the government’s words at the time? Fucked. > > All the people who came over as children or infants? Fucked. > > The racist fascist bastard is really gonna do it. > > Just because Obama created it (spite), and just because brown people (racism). And most immediately, because the Harvey disaster (and probable upcoming Irma disaster) means that there will obviously and clearly be no money for _The Wall Show_. Trump had been looking forward to all the posturing and extra rallies he’d hold to keep _The Wall Show_ going for quite a while:\* I’ll shut down the government if Congress won’t fund the wall!!!1!!!\*! etc. Now _The Wall Show_ is relegated to the failed-pilot bin. And Trump badly needed something sufficiently hate-mongery, so as to distract the base…and DACA fits the bill nicely. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10952 "2017-09-05T23:24:12Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Now he’s killing DACA. > > All those people who came forward and self-identified, believing the government’s words at the time? Fucked. > > All the people who came over as children or infants? Fucked. > > The racist fascist bastard is really gonna do it. > > Just because Obama created it (spite), and just because brown people (racism). Let’s wander back to 2011. [QUOTE=The Orange “Emperor”] "You have people in this country for 20 years, they’ve done a great job, they’ve done wonderfully, they’ve gone to school, they’ve gotten good marks, they’re productive – now we’re supposed to send them out of the country?” he said. “I don’t believe in that.” [/QUOTE] What’s Mueller digging into now? Harvey just didn’t last long enough for Trump to distract from something… ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10953 "2017-09-05T23:46:18Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Now he’s killing DACA. > > All those people who came forward and self-identified, believing the government’s words at the time? Fucked. > > All the people who came over as children or infants? Fucked. > > The racist fascist bastard is really gonna do it. > > Just because Obama created it (spite), and just because brown people (racism). Where’s the pussy-in-chief with one of his punk ass oval office ceremonies where he shows the assembled press that he can spell his own name. In cursive! Now he’s hiding behind Sarah Sanders’ pant leg. ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10954 "2017-09-06T00:56:08Z")
There is a school of thought out there that the whole DACA debacle needs to be addressed by congress and written into law, not dealt with by presidential fiat. And that, by rescinding Obama’s executive order, 45 is going to force congress to act. Of course, assuming they do manage to act, the Republicans will take full credit for solving the Dreamer issue (which annoys the shit out of me) but in the end it might be for the best … at least for the 800,000 people impacted. ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10955 "2017-09-06T01:12:39Z")
And now the latest is DJT saying if Congress doesn’t act within the time frame, he’ll “revisit” the issue. Maybe Obama’s letter made him think twice (but probably not). ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10956 "2017-09-06T02:42:51Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And most immediately, because the Harvey disaster (and probable upcoming Irma disaster) means that there will obviously and clearly be no money for _The Wall Show_. Trump had been looking forward to all the posturing and extra rallies he’d hold to keep _The Wall Show_ going for quite a while:\* I’ll shut down the government if Congress won’t fund the wall!!!1!!!\*! etc. > > Now _The Wall Show_ is relegated to the failed-pilot bin. And Trump badly needed something sufficiently hate-mongery, so as to distract the base…and DACA fits the bill nicely. Well, certain of the Republicans are trying to include recreation of DACA in exchange for Democratic votes for funding the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10957 "2017-09-06T02:43:53Z")
> [@JohnGalt](#): > > And now the latest is DJT saying if Congress doesn’t act within the time frame, he’ll “revisit” the issue. Maybe Obama’s letter made him think twice (but probably not). Who read it to him? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10958 "2017-09-06T03:41:45Z")
[Here’s a summary of Trump’s attack on DACA.](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/eight-hundred-thousand-people-with-dreams-deported-by-one-with-delusions) (I realize it’s satire, but is it true that some of the “dreamers” served in the military?) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10959 "2017-09-06T05:19:34Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > (I realize it’s satire, but is it true that some of the “dreamers” served in the military?) [Absolutely, and Republicans haaaaated it](https://www.law360.com/aerospace/articles/816733/house-bill-would-keep-daca-recipients-out-of-the-military). > [@](#): > > July 13, 2016 […] Numerous Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives have gotten behind a bill that would prevent immigrants who did not enter the country legally but were granted deportation relief under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program from serving in the U.S. military. > > Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz, introduced the measure, called the Military Amnesty Prevention Act, on Monday. The bill would amend the U.S. Code to ban DACA recipients and other undocumented immigrants from enlisting in the military. […] > > The bill targets a 2014 initiative from the Obama administration that allowed young adults with DACA status to join the armed forces through a specialized military enlistment program. […] > > In 2008, the Department of Department created a program called Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest, which allowed certain non-citizens with special skills, like a medical background, to enlist. Immigrants who join under the program are offered an expedited path to citizenship. > > The Obama administration in 2014 expanded the MAVNI program to include immigrants who came to the U.S. as minors and were granted relief under DACA. Gosar’s office said government figures show over 140 DACA recipients have enlisted since then. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10960 "2017-09-06T15:43:57Z")
From Fred Kaplan at [Slate.com](http://Slate.com), [“Don’t Panic About North Korea”](http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2017/09/why_nuclear_deterrence_will_still_work_on_north_korea.html): > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, Trump has still not nominated an ambassador to South Korea, an assistant secretary of state for the Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs, an assistant secretary of defense for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs, or an undersecretary of state for the Bureau of Political-Military Affairs. :smack: :smack: :smack: Jesus Fucking Christ. The Internet does not contain enough “smackies” to express the magnitude of the Great Trump Clusterfuck. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10961 "2017-09-06T16:01:31Z")
I’m fairly certain those departments are now being run by career civil servants. Do you honestly think they will be improved by whatever idiotic appointment the President would make? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10962 "2017-09-06T16:51:33Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Well, certain of the Republicans are trying to include recreation of DACA in exchange for Democratic votes for funding the wall. What do the Democrats have to do with funding the wall? Loser Donnie said the Mexicans will pay for it. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/10963 "2017-09-06T16:55:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What do the Democrats have to do with funding the wall? Loser Donnie said the Mexicans will pay for it. 😕 Exactly right. The Dems should just replay clip after clip of Trump rallies where he promises Mexico will pay for the whole damn thing. (and then the clip where he says how easy it will be to replace the ACA with universal coverage that will be so much cheaper) What a fucking asshole… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=547) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=549)