# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 561
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11204 "2017-09-15T21:10:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Hmmm… well, it applies to digital clocks, too, right? Well, that, and actual analog clocks are still extremely common. They haven’t gone the way of the rotary phone quite yet. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11205 "2017-09-15T21:28:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > **Drunky** , you’re not even a good troll. Just pulling the old switcheroo isn’t going to do the job. That’s just lazy. You and I assume literally every other mod here knows that he’s literally nothing but a lazy troll. Not interesting, insightful, useful, or funny, just boring bullshit that worsens the forum every time he posts (and my forum experience every time some stupid motherfucker quotes him). Just ban the fucker already, christ. It’s not hard. Trolling is still against the rules even in the pit, right? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11206 "2017-09-15T22:43:36Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > You and I assume literally every other mod here knows that he’s literally nothing but a lazy troll. Not interesting, insightful, useful, or funny, just boring bullshit that worsens the forum every time he posts (and my forum experience every time some stupid motherfucker quotes him). Just ban the fucker already, christ. It’s not hard. Trolling is still against the rules even in the pit, right? I wouldn’t miss him. There will always be some other asshole to take his place. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11207 "2017-09-15T22:46:12Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > [del]Disinfected[/del] Disaffected Trump supporters burning their [del]magic[/del] MAGA hats is now a thing, with its [own BBC article](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41279520). Burn 'em! Oh their tears are so delicious. I could bathe in an ocean of their tears. Their anguished screams are music to me 😃😃😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11208 "2017-09-15T23:06:29Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I don’t think he’s going for "troll"l… > > I get more of a “drooling idiot” vibe from his posts. The two are not exclusive. In fact, they’re usually correlated. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11209 "2017-09-15T23:40:06Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Burn 'em! > > Oh their tears are so delicious. I could bathe in an ocean of their tears. Their anguished screams are music to me 😃😃😃😃 [Delicious!](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3215/2943837100_12212916b5.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11210 "2017-09-16T04:25:09Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I think you’re being a wee bit too kind there. Cracks me up you used the word “wee” in a thread about Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11211 "2017-09-16T04:27:54Z")
Best be believing in piss threads, Mr. Monty, urine one. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11212 "2017-09-16T04:44:05Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Best be believing in piss threads, Mr. Monty, urine one. Yeah, and it’s all about a piss-ant! ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11213 "2017-09-16T13:46:08Z")
Uh, oh, I was wondering what the next tangent would be… ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11214 "2017-09-16T15:08:01Z")
EJ Dionne made an interesting comment during his weekly appearance with David Brooks on NPR. When discussing Trump’s recent dealings with Democrats, Dionne said something like, “Trump seems to view the Democrats as a competing business he can sometimes negotiate with, while he sees Congressional Republicans as bad employees so he treats them with contempt.” (Heard on the radio; I’m probably mangling the quote.) I thought that was probably a pretty good assessmebt of Trump’s thinking, such as it is. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11215 "2017-09-16T20:10:39Z")
Trying to be an optimist, I find myself agreeing with [an opinion piece titled “Five reasons to like President Donald Trump.”](http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/reasons-president-donald-trump-170906091102447.html) > [@](#): > > The Trump presidency may be the best thing that happened to America since super-white Wonder Bread and Mickey Mouse… > > 1. He is emotional and has no filter. > … This level of transparency and free expression might forever change the way the American public engages with their public officials… > > 2. He is polarising. > > 3. He agitates African Americans and People of Colour. > > 4. He inspires counter-intuitive alliances. > > 5. He is not afraid to fire folks. > > … While I do not value watching the American presidency and bipartisan politics crash and burn, I am afraid, unfortunately, that this is what might be needed to realign the American people to the promise of the American constitution and inspirational spirit of the American Dream. Perhaps a system-reset (as a result of a meltdown led by President Trump aka Trumpty Dumpty) will not only save us from ourselves, but save us from leading the world into self-destruction through insane greed, gaslighting selfishness and Hollywood grandiosity. > > Unstable leadership usually exposes the moral strength and composition of the rank and file. And sometimes we are more focused, more capable and more organised when we fight against something, to protect something we love. I am convinced that Trump will inspire an interconnected response testing the spirit of the American people, overcoming the blood and sweat-stained divisions of US history and making the country more inclusive, more just, more emotionally intelligent and yes, even more “great”. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11216 "2017-09-16T20:43:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Trying to be an optimist, I find myself agreeing with [an opinion piece titled “Five reasons to like President Donald Trump.”](http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/reasons-president-donald-trump-170906091102447.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > … While I do not value watching the American presidency and bipartisan politics crash and burn, I am afraid, unfortunately, that this is what might be needed to realign the American people to the promise of the American constitution and inspirational spirit of the American Dream. Perhaps a system-reset (as a result of a meltdown led by President Trump aka Trumpty Dumpty) will not only save us from ourselves, but save us from leading the world into self-destruction through insane greed, gaslighting selfishness and Hollywood grandiosity. I had a similar thought just after the 2000 election, when the Florida result was too close to call. I thought “This will end gridlock. Here’s an issue that no one saw coming, so people couldn’t choose up sides and dig their trenches in advance and promise no compromises. For all our differences, surely we can all agree that the will and the voice of the voters is sacrosanct. We must count these votes to the most scrupulous and exact standard of accuracy that we can achieve. This isn’t partisan. There’s can’t be liberal and conservative ways to count, can there?” And we know how that turned out. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11217 "2017-09-16T21:55:00Z")
Apparently [we are not withdrawing](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-wont-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal-1505593922?tesla=y&mod=e2tw) from the Paris Accords, [except we might still be](http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/351028-trump-softens-stance-on-paris-climate-deal-reports). Nobody is sure. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11218 "2017-09-16T22:20:28Z")
It could almost merit its own thread, every time the courts rule against the so called team Trump has assembled. But this is a good place, too. Here’s a ruling, a nationwide injunction, against Sessions and his attempt to withhold funding from American cities. Brought to you by your good friends in Chicago. “…a federal judge in Chicago on Friday blocked the Trump administration’s rules requiring so-called sanctuary cities to cooperate with immigration agents in order to get a public safety grant.U.S. District Judge Harry Leinenweber held that Chicago has shown a “likelihood of success” in its arguments that U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions exceeded his authority in imposing new standards governing Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grants across the country. He also said Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s administration has shown the city could suffer “irreparable harm” in its relationship with the immigrant community if it were to comply with the U.S. Department of Justice’s new standards. …” Chicago Trib, maybe paywall: [http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-sanctuary-cities-lawsuit-met-20170915-story.html](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-sanctuary-cities-lawsuit-met-20170915-story.html) Here’s another link, Business Insider, hopefully no paywall: [Chicago Judge Blocks Jeff Sessions From Denying 'Sanctuary Cities' Grant Funding](http://www.businessinsider.com/chicago-judge-blocks-jeff-sessions-from-denying-sanctuary-cities-grant-funding-2017-9) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11219 "2017-09-16T22:33:39Z")
Yeah, Business Insider doesn’t do a paywall, but it does block ad blockers. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11220 "2017-09-16T22:36:44Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Apparently [we are not withdrawing](https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-wont-withdraw-from-paris-climate-deal-1505593922?tesla=y&mod=e2tw) from the Paris Accords, [except we might still be](http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/351028-trump-softens-stance-on-paris-climate-deal-reports). Nobody is sure. They’re still assessing how many of Obama’s fingerprints are on it before making a final decision. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11221 "2017-09-17T22:32:59Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I had a similar thought just after the 2000 election, when the Florida result was too close to call. I thought “This will end gridlock. Here’s an issue that no one saw coming, so people couldn’t choose up sides and dig their trenches in advance and promise no compromises. For all our differences, surely we can all agree that the will and the voice of the voters is sacrosanct. We must count these votes to the most scrupulous and exact standard of accuracy that we can achieve. This isn’t partisan. There’s can’t be liberal and conservative ways to count, can there?” > > And we know how that turned out. There is certainly an argument that sometimes the best way to effect change is to knock down the whole building and start again. The problem here is that the “building” is the entire country, and not only would we all have to live in a building site for decades while it was being rebuilt, we can’t even evacuate the building as it’s being knocked down. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11222 "2017-09-17T22:51:58Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > There is certainly an argument that sometimes the best way to effect change is to knock down the whole building and start again. The problem here is that the “building” is the entire country, and not only would we all have to live in a building site for decades while it was being rebuilt, we can’t even evacuate the building as it’s being knocked down. And the guy knocking down the building has no idea how the building was built in the first place, let alone know how to build it better. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2017, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11223 "2017-09-17T23:32:52Z")
Sebastian Gorka may have left the administration, but his wife, who co-writes his papers, is still there, as an adviser to the secretary of homeland security. > **[The Gorka That Matters Isn’t Leaving The Trump Administration](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnhudson/the-gorka-that-matters-isnt-leaving-the-trump-administration)** > > Sebastian Gorka is out at the White House, but his wife, Katharine, remains a force in government, wielding more power than her husband ever did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=560) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=562)