# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 580
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11584 "2017-09-28T17:33:22Z")
Trump definitely has his finger on the pulse of the Senate. > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump said once again Thursday that the Senate would be able to pass an Obamacare repeal bill but for the missing vote of one hospitalized senator — despite the fact that no senators are currently hospitalized, and even with one extra vote in support of the measure, fewer than 50 senators would support it. Trump was apparently referring to Thad Cochrane, who is home recovering from an illness. Even had Cochrane been there to vote, the bill would not have passed. With Trump’s leadership, it’s inconceivable the bill didn’t pass! > **[Trump Once Again Blames Mystery Hospitalized Senator For Repeal Failure](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-blames-hospitalized-senator-aca-repeal)** > > President Donald Trump said once again Thursday that the Senate would be able to pass an Obamacare repeal bill but for the missing vote of one hospitalized senator — despite the fact that no senators… ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11585 "2017-09-28T17:40:03Z")
The New York Times ran a list of all of Trump’s promises about healthcare, tax cuts, the Wall, infrastructure, and other things, vs. what actually has gotten accomplished. > **[‘Soon,’ ‘Very Soon,’ ‘Eventually’: A Detailed List of Things Trump Said Would...](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/27/upshot/trump-statements-soon.html?_r=0)** > > An account of presidential predictions, from Obamacare to a border wall. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11586 "2017-09-28T17:46:07Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > But he has been acting as director since 2015. In Trump’s tiny, orange mind, that makes him an Obama man. Gasp! I was initially hired in 1986. Does that make me a Reagan man? The horror! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11587 "2017-09-28T17:50:28Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The New York Times ran a list of all of Trump’s promises about healthcare, tax cuts, the Wall, infrastructure, and other things, vs. what actually has gotten accomplished. > [‘Soon,’ ‘Very Soon,’ ‘Eventually’: A Detailed List of Things Trump Said Would Happen - The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/27/upshot/trump-statements-soon.html?_r=0) Love it > [@](#): > > Health care reform that reduces premiums 60 to 70 percent very soon (2 months ago) ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11588 "2017-09-28T18:19:48Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Trump was apparently referring to Thad Cochrane, who is home recovering from an illness. Even had Cochrane been there to vote, the bill would not have passed. Seriously. Never mind what your political leanings are, and never mind whether you think Trump is wrong so often because he’s lying, or just stupid. How can anyone want someone who is so consistently wrong to be leading the USA? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11589 "2017-09-28T18:24:15Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Seriously. Never mind what your political leanings are, and never mind whether you think Trump is wrong so often because he’s lying, or just stupid. How can anyone want someone who is so consistently wrong to be leading the USA? Because it pisses off the libtards. #MakeAmericaASmokingCrater ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11590 "2017-09-28T18:25:32Z")
But he’s never wrong!! Even if he says two different things minutes apart that can’t both be true, he’s just extra double right. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11591 "2017-09-28T18:42:18Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Seriously. Never mind what your political leanings are, and never mind whether you think Trump is wrong so often because he’s lying, or just stupid. How can anyone want someone who is so consistently wrong to be leading the USA? > [@running\_coach](#): > > Because it pisses off the libtards. > #MakeAmericaASmokingCrater Exactly, I didn’t understand that myself until earlier today. Bricker and billfish helped out on this. I really did not understand that there were people out here who hated their fellow american citizens more than they loved america itself. By Bricker’s anecdote, he cared about the country ever so very slightly more than he cared about hurting his political enemies, billfish’s account tells that harming the country is just a plus, on top of harming the citizens of his country with whom he has political differences. Now that I realize that not only are there those who would see their country burn just to singe a few libruls, but that number is actually much much greater than I thought (I was thinking a couple of percent, statistical noise, really, but now I think I should probably estimate it at maybe 75% of people who voted for trump.) I mean, seriously, how fucked up is it that people voted for trump just to spite other citizens of their country? How fucked in the head do you have to be to hate your country so much that you put someone you know will run it into the ground in charge, just so you can laugh at those who don’t want the country run into the ground. Then these pieces of shit have the audacity to call themselves patriots. If you voted for trump in order to “get back at the libruls”, don’t stand for the national anthem. The flag doesn’t want you to. It despises you, as much as you despise the citizens it flies over. You are correct to fly the confederate flag, the flag of treason, because Old Glory symbolizes everything that you oppose. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11592 "2017-09-28T18:55:36Z")
Explaining why the president is wrong to a Trump supporter is like trying to explain to them why they cannot smell the number 9. They just don’t understand. It’s like trying to teach a goldfish calculus. It’s pointless. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11593 "2017-09-28T19:03:33Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Not to mention that Boeing has no competing aircraft in the CS100’s size class 100-110 seats). The follow-on CS300 would encroach into the 737 class, but that’s apparently not what’s at issue here. Well, yeah, it actually is. It would be much easier for an airline to buy the CS300 if it already has the CS100, with all the common spare parts and training etc. Delta, for instance, has placed an order for a whole lot of CS100’s, and Boeing’s future there would become much shakier if it went through. There aren’t very many customers for an airframer, and each one has to be fought for viciously. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11594 "2017-09-28T19:09:27Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Exactly, I didn’t understand that myself until earlier today. Bricker and billfish helped out on this. I really did not understand that there were people out here who hated their fellow american citizens more than they loved america itself. By Bricker’s anecdote, he cared about the country ever so very slightly more than he cared about hurting his political enemies, billfish’s account tells that harming the country is just a plus, on top of harming the citizens of his country with whom he has political differences. . . Where did they do this? I would like to read these anecdotes! mc ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11595 "2017-09-28T19:10:17Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Trump doesn’t care about Jared’s gender identification > _(Just as long as [s]he doesn’t try to join the military!)_ Even Darth Cheney was able to accept his lesbian daughter. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11596 "2017-09-28T19:21:54Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > Where did they do this? I would like to read these anecdotes! > > mc > [@Ask the conservative asshole](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ask-the-conservative-asshole/797299/345): > > I didn’t vote for Trump, but I will share that the impulses I had to do so were grounded in part by discussions here as well. > > Even when I watch Trump’s ridiculous and absurd antics, and I’m disgusted by this clown who now sits in the Oval Office, I can jump on a thread here and in two minutes be similarly disgusted by the hysterical and poor arguments being directed against him. > > There are some great, clear-headed posters here who are solidly liberal, and whose views I cherish reading, but they are often drowned out by crappy arguments and, worse, _acceptance_ of crappy arguments. This is a board that piously reveres fighting ignorance, scoffs at the right for ignoring facts and science, and then accepts shitty attempts at analysis and review merely because the rhetor offering them aligns politically with the prevailing lefty winds. > > So, yeah: I didn’t vote for Trump, but I came close enough that I actually marked a ballot “Trump,” before trashing it and voting Clinton. And if you wonder why I teetered on the cusp like that, this place was part of the reason. This tells me that Bricker just barely allowed his principles of wanting a country not run into the ground by a moron to win out over his desire to see the people who make or accept crappy arguments be harmed or at the very least offended by choosing to vote for trump. That trump won in spite of bricker’s noble sacrifice just makes it better for him, I imagine. He gets to see all the libruls all upset about what is happening to our country, and he can claim that his principles made him vote against it, therefore, that’s all he needed to do to be on the “right side”. See any of billfish’s posts in the same thread. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11597 "2017-09-28T21:33:00Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I mean, seriously, how fucked up is it that people voted for trump just to spite other citizens of their country? How fucked in the head do you have to be to hate your country so much that you put someone you know will run it into the ground in charge, just so you can laugh at those who don’t want the country run into the ground… > > …If you voted for trump in order to “get back at the libruls”, don’t stand for the national anthem. The flag doesn’t want you to. It despises you, as much as you despise the citizens it flies over. You are correct to fly the confederate flag, the flag of treason, because Old Glory symbolizes everything that you oppose. Very well said. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11598 "2017-09-28T21:36:15Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Exactly, I didn’t understand that myself until earlier today. Bricker and billfish helped out on this. I really did not understand that there were people out here who hated their fellow american citizens more than they loved america itself. By Bricker’s anecdote, he cared about the country ever so very slightly more than he cared about hurting his political enemies, billfish’s account tells that harming the country is just a plus, on top of harming the citizens of his country with whom he has political differences. > > Now that I realize that not only are there those who would see their country burn just to singe a few libruls, but that number is actually much much greater than I thought (I was thinking a couple of percent, statistical noise, really, but now I think I should probably estimate it at maybe 75% of people who voted for trump.) > > I mean, seriously, how fucked up is it that people voted for trump just to spite other citizens of their country? How fucked in the head do you have to be to hate your country so much that you put someone you know will run it into the ground in charge, just so you can laugh at those who don’t want the country run into the ground. > > Then these pieces of shit have the audacity to call themselves patriots. > > If you voted for trump in order to “get back at the libruls”, don’t stand for the national anthem. The flag doesn’t want you to. It despises you, as much as you despise the citizens it flies over. You are correct to fly the confederate flag, the flag of treason, because Old Glory symbolizes everything that you oppose. I call this the “sweet, sweet liberal tears” mindset. Personally, I feel that when you start taking your talking points from Eric Cartman you must be doing something fundamentally wrong. And it’s not just conservatives who do this toward liberals. I’ve seen “sweet, sweet, conservative tears”, “sweet, sweet misogynist tears”, and others. I hope I’ve not been guilty of doing it, myself. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11599 "2017-09-28T21:43:01Z")
I miss the emotion of shame in our culture. No one seems to feel it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11600 "2017-09-28T21:48:25Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I call this the “sweet, sweet liberal tears” mindset. Personally, I feel that when you start taking your talking points from Eric Cartman you must be doing something fundamentally wrong. > > And it’s not just conservatives who do this toward liberals. I’ve seen “sweet, sweet, conservative tears”, “sweet, sweet misogynist tears”, and others. I hope I’ve not been guilty of doing it, myself. Chest-thumping is part of our primate inheritance. In one way or another we’ve all done at least a bit of it. (Recognizing that it is based on self-deception, though, is the function of intelligence.) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11601 "2017-09-28T21:50:13Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > But he’s never wrong!! Even if he says two different things minutes apart that can’t both be true, he’s just extra double right. Since it’s Trump doing the talking, that should be “neither of which can be true”. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11602 "2017-09-28T21:53:56Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I miss the emotion of shame in our culture. No one seems to feel it anymore. The pure sociopaths are running our society these days. Shame is an alien concept to them. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11603 "2017-09-28T21:54:39Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > And it’s not just conservatives who do this toward liberals. I’ve seen “sweet, sweet, conservative tears”, “sweet, sweet misogynist tears”, and others. I hope I’ve not been guilty of doing it, myself. Yeah, but WE’RE saying it “ironically.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=579) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=581)