# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 587
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11724 "2017-10-02T01:43:07Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Honestly, reading this, I feel I need a program. **Robot Arm** has not struck me in the past as a particularly avid supporter of the America-hating fuckstick currently defiling the Oval Office\*. Or, verily, as any kind of supporter. > > His commentary above could be interpreted as an observation that graciousness in victory is cost-free, and that triumphal declamations of _schadenfreude_ do nothing to ennoble one. > > _This could be due to an inattention to detail on my part._\* However, even if he is as despicable as **Okrahoma** and as contemptible as. . .umm, okay, **Okrahoma** , that does not make the observation invalid, or him wrong for pointing it out. > > \*\*I’d appreciate it if someone would point out anything relevant I’ve missed in **Robot Arm** ’s posting history. I was responding to the idea that “my” side is expected to be gracious no matter what. I don’t think so. If RA is not one of “those” I’m ticked off at, my bad. But the others - Clothy, Okra, etc, can all fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11725 "2017-10-02T01:44:50Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I’m not a supporter of Trump; I think his conduct (political, professional, and personal) has been almost universally abhorrent. Nor do I agree with modern conservatism. I just hate the idea that other people’s pain or frustration is ever cause for celebration. > > But your post is still interesting. 20,000 posts over 17 years and apparently I haven’t made much of an impression. Maybe it is the people who are the most strident who get noticed and remembered. I deeply dislike that idea, but I can’t say that it’s false, either. > > Thank you. I apologize to you. I refuse to offer any apologies to the Trumpies, borderline Nazis, and the Russain Troll. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11726 "2017-10-02T01:50:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump has deleted or modified all of the tweets in which he attacked the mayor of San Juan. … > He just can’t let it go when he loses, can he? He is too stupid to understand that on the internet nothing ever really goes away. But deleting his tweets, shows that he intends to deny, obfuscate, and re-write history … to lie. It also shows what a coward he is. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11727 "2017-10-02T01:53:01Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > I’ve been thinking recently about the similarities between the Trump Phenomenon and the concept of [emergent behaviour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence). My AI knowledge is rusty, but essentially the deal with Emergence is that a large number of incredibly simple units running on just one or two rules can produce surprisingly complex and successful behaviours. > > Ants finding food is a good example. Each ant has basically two behaviours - if there’s a scent trail, follow it to find food. If there’s not a scent trail, wander randomly. One ant following these rules doesn’t look very impressive - a thousand of them can generate very efficient paths from the nearest food sources to the ant nest in quite a short amount of time. > > Donald Trump has really two speaking behaviours. If what you said last time got a cheer, say it again louder with more emphasis. If not, waffle round randomly until something gets a cheer. > > Unlike with ants, of course, there’s only (thank God!) one Donald Trump. But he has access to a lot of resources in terms of money, which enables him to buy minions, and the minions are also running a pretty simple rule: don’t get fired. The minions act like mini-Donald-Trumps, amplifying and boosting the efficiency of his behaviour. With the result that, in their chosen ecosystem (the minds of a particular moderately-homogeneous group of citizens) the whole shebang works remarkably well, considering that - like in the case of the ants - there’s no actual brain or high level thought behind any of it. > > Or of course I could be talking completely out of my arse. But it’s 2017 - that’s what we do nowadays… This is genius. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11728 "2017-10-02T01:53:16Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=1&v=5Uc1pPsKt\_s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=5Uc1pPsKt_s) That sure was a long transcript. I checked and it’s not on the youtube page you linked to; where did you get it? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11729 "2017-10-02T01:59:08Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That sure was a long transcript. I checked and it’s not on the youtube page you linked to; where did you get it? It’s from a different site. I didn’t feel like typing in the subtitles so I did a search on a phrase. Is the transcript inaccurate? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11730 "2017-10-02T02:06:00Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s from a different site. I didn’t feel like typing in the subtitles so I did a search on a phrase. Is the transcript inaccurate? Until someone translates, I’ll go with inaccurate. Typical you would misrepresent where the transcript came from. Were you too stupid or too lazy to link to the page the transcript came from? Searching for the transcript, so far it’s all on right-wing sites. Haven’t found anything that looks like the original. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11731 "2017-10-02T02:06:41Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=1&v=5Uc1pPsKt\_s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=5Uc1pPsKt_s) Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! Gotta love the commentary at your video: > [@Susanna Donovan](#): > > Do not cry, as I just forwarded this video to the White House. Military is actually in charge of much of the distribution but they need to clear more areas so working trucks can be brought into the Island. Antifa Mayor Cruz needs to be fired now!!! Declare Martial Law and kick her out!!! > [@ximo yu](#): > > Leftists are the sickest people on Earth, all throughout history they have done the same thing. The rise of Hitler and others is because of this sick ideology of leftists who poison every piece of Earth they step foot in and people become desperate to get rid of them. The world will never know peace until leftists are purged forever. > [@Vishwajeet Pandey](#): > > Carmen Yulin is evil scum, preying on people’s suffering for political gain. Shame on her. People who voted for her, including cops, should RAID her home & arrest her & not release her till the situation becomes stable. > [@Bill Shull](#): > > The police force needs to mutiny and take that Mayor into custody. All written without a trace of irony (or self-awareness). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11732 "2017-10-02T02:09:21Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It’s from a different site. I didn’t feel like typing in the subtitles so I did a search on a phrase. Is the transcript inaccurate? So you don’t even know? Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! You posted this without knowing what it actually said! You just admitted to doing that! 😃 HOLY FUCK ARE YOUR RUSSIAN BOSSES GONNA BE PISSED! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11733 "2017-10-02T02:10:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So you don’t even know? Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! > > You posted this without knowing what it actually said! You just admitted to doing that! 😃 I went by the subtitles to the video. Are they inaccurate? Please cite the inaccuracy. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11734 "2017-10-02T02:13:35Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I went by the subtitles to the video. Are they inaccurate? Please cite the inaccuracy. The fact you posted it is my cite. Besides, you’re the one claiming it’s accurate. Prove it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11735 "2017-10-02T02:17:30Z")
You’ll also have to explain how a single woman can stop FEMA and the US military from distributing supplies to the entire island. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11736 "2017-10-02T02:21:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You’ll also have to explain how a single woman can stop FEMA and the US military from distributing supplies to the entire island. Maybe she is a supervillain with ummmm powers? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11737 "2017-10-02T02:27:37Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You’ll also have to explain how a single woman can stop FEMA and the US military from distributing supplies to the entire island. She’s just one of dozens of mayors. That’s some superpower right there. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11738 "2017-10-02T02:32:35Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > She’s just one of dozens of mayors. She is. The mayor of the adjoining city says that unlike the San Juan’s mayor, he is meeting with FEMA and is contradicting Mayor Cruz’s hysteria. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11739 "2017-10-02T02:37:13Z")
FEMA director Brock Long: The hurricane relief efforts in Puerto Rico are “the most logistically challenging event the United States has ever seen.” > **[FEMA Administrator blames logistics for slow Puerto Rico relief, gets major...](https://mashable.com/article/fema-administrator-hurricane-maria-relief-comments)** > > Remember when we landed on the moon? I guess he’s never heard of a little thing called World War II. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11740 "2017-10-02T02:37:58Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > She is. The mayor of the adjoining city says that unlike the San Juan’s mayor, he is meeting with FEMA and is contradicting Mayor Cruz’s hysteria. Deflection detected. Back to the phony call. Where’s your proof? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11741 "2017-10-02T02:45:56Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Back to the phony call. If you a priori decide that the call is phony, there is nothing to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11742 "2017-10-02T02:51:23Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > If you a priori decide that the call is phony, there is nothing to talk about. So far, you’ve offered no proof. Given you past track record, why should I believe it? That called “deducing from pure reason”. You, on the other hand, reach conclusions _a posteriori_. You pull them from your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/11743 "2017-10-02T02:53:55Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So far, you’ve offered no proof. Proof of what? That there was a call? It’s in the video. That the call was actually from a PR police office? No, there isn’t any. It is the claim of the caller. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=586) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=588)