# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 604
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12064 "2017-10-10T00:16:06Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Oh good, the First Lady is now in a public [feud](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/10/09/melania-trump-blasts-ivanas-attention-seeking-first-lady-comment-in-biting-statement/23237623/) with her husband’s ex-wife: > > I actually heard people say this family was bringing class back to the White House. Unfortunately the class is kindergarten and everyone missed their nap. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12065 "2017-10-10T00:18:28Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > My BIL, a CEO of a small company in Texas that makes equipment for oil rigs is having doubts about his vote for Trump. Yes, his business is doing better, but the rest of the mess is a concern. > [@Catamount](#): > > I live in a red county full of old people who voted for Trump because they’re old and hateful and don’t like all those damn brown people speakin’ Spanish around here and I’ve noticed the same trend. Beginning of the year: grocery store parking lot full of Trump bumper stickers. Near the end of the year: Maybe one or two. Oh, my dog, you guys have made my day. This has to happen. It just has to. Thanks to you both for sharing your uplifting anecdotes! > [@Sherrerd](#): > > If we were to learn that the big GOP names in Congress were quietly _encouraging_ Corker to travel the ‘prepare for a 25th Amendment charge’ route…would we be surprised? > > There might even have been discreet assurances of future employment for Corker, to reward him for putting himself out as the canary in the coal mine. After all, by being so openly anti-Trump, he is taking a real risk (given the alt-right machine and its capacity to rile up the unstable). > > But if Corker’s forays into truth-speaking about the naked Emperor go _well_, then… > > You just know that McConnell, Ryan and the rest are dreaming of being able to deal with conventional Republican reptile Pence, instead of with the Drama Queen. You’re right – we would not be surprised. Especially since Trump has recently gone so hard after McConnell. I’ve often thought one reason the Rethugs were hesitant to go after Trump is, they’re not sure if they’re going to get Pence or Ryan as his successor. Pence is in some peril from the Mueller investigation in terms of potential obstruction charges. Reptile Pence also shows himself daily to be a hypocritical Mercer tool, willing to say and do just about anything to keep on the good side of the loon in the Oval. Witness the pearl-clutching staged walkouts at Hamilton and the Colts game as well as comfortable lying about Trump’s motives in firing Comey, etc. Mercers were not enthusiastic about Trump, but they turned easily enough after Cruz’s bid failed. But with Mercer money behind Bannon now, I’m not sure McConnell and Ryan are any more eager to work with Pence than with Trump. Getting to be a distinction without a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12066 "2017-10-10T00:20:35Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > I just visited my roots, deep in Trump country. Saw few Trump signs but did see a sign board with just nine letters on it. > > OMG > GOP > WTF LOL, missed your post as it was on a previous page! Should have checked first. I love this!!! 😃 I second **ThelmaLou** ’s t-shirt idea!! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12067 "2017-10-10T00:29:24Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > … Reptile Pence also shows himself daily to be a hypocritical Mercer tool, willing to say and do just about anything to keep on the good side of the loon in the Oval. Witness the pearl-clutching staged walkouts at Hamilton and the Colts game as well as comfortable lying about Trump’s motives in firing Comey, etc. Mercers were not enthusiastic about Trump, but they turned easily enough after Cruz’s bid failed. But with Mercer money behind Bannon now, I’m not sure McConnell and Ryan are any more eager to work with Pence than with Trump. Getting to be a distinction without a difference. Yeah, but Pence would have to go a long way to match Donald’s ravenous, black-hole need for attention–and all the potential for nuclear armageddon that inevitably goes along with it. Pence would be less dangerous to the survival of the human species. It does appear that the Mercer’s have full charge of the programming for that particular audio-animatronic figure, though. Which is disturbing in its own way. Those people ain’t wired up right. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12068 "2017-10-10T00:30:59Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Mike Pence went to the San Francisco 49er/Indianapolis Colts game today and left when players knelt during the Anthem. Trump tweeted that it was planned ahead of time that Pence would leave if any of the players knelt. > > If Trump would shut up about it, it would probably eventually stop. He stole (no lesser word will do for this sort of blatant corruption) quite a chunk of taxpayer money to pull that stunt. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12069 "2017-10-10T00:44:01Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump claims to have invented the word “fake”. > [Trump defends tossing paper towels to Puerto Rico hurricane victims: Analysis](https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/10/08/donald-trump-defends-paper-towels-in-puerto-rico-says-stephen-paddock-was-probably-smart-in-bizarre-tv-interview-analysis.html) “My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament.” - excerpt from Donald Trump jr.'s autobiography, _Donald Trump jr.'s Autobiography_ ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12070 "2017-10-10T00:51:11Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > I actually heard people say this family was bringing class back to the White House. For… shall we say “high albedo”?.. values of “class”. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12071 "2017-10-10T00:58:16Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > For… shall we say “high albedo”?.. values of “class”. Class with a capital K Kla$$! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12072 "2017-10-10T03:02:42Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Oh good, the First Lady is now in a public [feud](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/10/09/melania-trump-blasts-ivanas-attention-seeking-first-lady-comment-in-biting-statement/23237623/) with her husband’s ex-wife: > > I actually heard people say this family was bringing class back to the White House. ABC News tonight said that Melania never calls Marla Maples by name, but always calls her “The show girl”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12073 "2017-10-10T04:23:44Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > For… shall we say “high albedo”?.. values of “class”. I think they meant social stratification, not grace and decorum. Imagine thinking a Trump could bring grace and decorum to a situation. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12074 "2017-10-10T04:28:09Z")
I’m seeing reference to Ivana saying that, not Melania. Not that either of them are exactly epitomes of class (don’t know about Maples…she’s got at least enough class to stay out of the ring, anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12075 "2017-10-10T04:41:58Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Oh good, the First Lady is now in a public [feud](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/10/09/melania-trump-blasts-ivanas-attention-seeking-first-lady-comment-in-biting-statement/23237623/) with her husband’s ex-wife: > > I actually heard people say this family was bringing class back to the White House. Hey, low class is still a kind of class. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12076 "2017-10-10T05:05:52Z")
Not even the tiniest _smidgeon_ of a bit surprising, but still so egregiously fouler-than-ass…Scott Pruitt will stomp out for once and for all [Obama’s pesky Clean Power Plan](http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/epa-chief-says-white-house-roll-back-obama-era-clean-power-plan/), signing the order tomorrow. “The war on coal is over” oh fuck off, puke-chuckle dingle-fuck Here’s where I hope the states will (they _better_) totally stand up to this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12077 "2017-10-10T05:24:44Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Here’s where I hope the states will (they _better_) totally stand up to this shit. Heh - might’ve spoken too soon on that. Apparently there’s at least 28 asshole states that [sued to block the Clean Air Act as unconstitutional](https://qz.com/943988/trumps-rollback-of-the-clean-power-plan-is-statistically-likely-to-lead-to-thousands-of-preventable-american-deaths/), which does not bode particularly well, if that’s where their mindset is. Fuckers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12078 "2017-10-10T06:44:40Z")
It’ll be a shame if non-Republicans suffer because of this. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12079 "2017-10-10T12:44:22Z")
My parents recently moved from the Florida Keys to central Florida. They love the weather, but hate just about everything else about living deep, deep in Trump country. Think of every unpleasant and unkind stereotype of the ‘typical Trump voter’ you can think of. It’s like that, only worse. It’s a bunch of middle-aged whites, and my god they love their Trump. Obama was evil! Hillary is a crook that should be in jail! Democrats hate America and want to destroy us! Trump is real! Not fake! He has our interests at heart! He’ll make 'Murica great again, like back in the 50s, when the brownies and blackies knew their place. (And by 50s, I mean 1850s, not 1950s) Outside the movies I’ve never heard more people openly using the N word. Apparently there are only three types of people in the world - us real Americans (Whites), niggers and queers. And Trump is going to save us real 'Muricans from the rest of 'em! You could almost understand Trump (Republican) support if you were rich. But they’re not! These are broke-ass rednecks without a pot to piss in. We’re talking dirt-cheap poor. Like, they can’t buy dirt unless it’s on sale or something. It amazes me how many people that have never lived anywhere their entire life outside of central Florida that insist America is the greatest nation on earth. My parents hate it here so bad they would move in a heartbeat and go back to Minnesota or the north-east, but the winters are just too tough on my Mom nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12080 "2017-10-10T13:21:56Z")
Depends on what part of central Florida they’re in. If it’s The Villages or some other insular retiree-heavy development or a cracker town like Sanford or Ocala, your description is dead on. But Orlando or Tampa or other cities with some actual diversity have a very different environment - not that you can’t find bigots there anyway, of course. There’s a dividing line just north of Orlando: North of it you’re in the Confederacy, but south of it you’re in the North. Or the Caribbean, depending on the neighborhood. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12081 "2017-10-10T13:28:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Depends on what part of central Florida they’re in. If it’s The Villages or some other insular retiree-heavy development or a cracker town like Sanford or Ocala, your description is dead on. But Orlando or Tampa or other cities with some actual diversity have a very different environment - not that you can’t find bigots there anyway, of course. There’s a dividing line just north of Orlando: North of it you’re in the Confederacy, but south of it you’re in the North. Or the Caribbean, depending on the neighborhood. We’re two hours north of Tampa, one hour west of Ocala and about 150 years behind 2017. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12082 "2017-10-10T13:33:03Z")
Okay, that explains it. 🙂 Just do some more research and move again. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12083 "2017-10-10T13:48:39Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Heh - might’ve spoken too soon on that. Apparently there’s at least 28 asshole states that [sued to block the Clean Air Act as unconstitutional](https://qz.com/943988/trumps-rollback-of-the-clean-power-plan-is-statistically-likely-to-lead-to-thousands-of-preventable-american-deaths/), which does not bode particularly well, if that’s where their mindset is. > > Fuckers. This administration the moral equivalent of ISIS. They create nothing, they contribute nothing. Lacking intelligence and competence, they blithely destroy the hard work done by others for no reason save spite. Because they “know better.” But when it comes time to put up or shut up, there are no plans. Healthcare, the Paris Accord, the Iran deal and on and on. No fucking plan, and not capable of actually doing the work. Lazy, stupid and fucking worthless. The lot of them. And president fuckface thinks he worked weally, weally hard for Puerto Rico. He must have made some phone calls and went to some meetings. I think he wants a cookie for doing the bare minimum required by his office. Can someone give him a cookie please? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=603) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=605)