# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 610
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12184 "2017-10-11T20:58:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Fake! All of them! Except 1, that is the only real number. The best number. Even 2 is fake. It’s crap. Makes sense, since in his world, _i_ is the only number. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12185 "2017-10-11T21:47:10Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Fake! All of them! Except 1, that is the only real number. The best number. Even 2 is fake. It’s crap. It’s also the loneliest number ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12186 "2017-10-11T22:00:59Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > From the linked article: > > Steve Bannon, who helped engineer Trump’s victory and legislative agenda, thinks Trump has only a 30% chance of finishing his term. It’s almost like Bannon wanted an unstable lunatic in the White House as a way of dismantling American democracy. Nah, couldn’t be. “… some men aren’t looking for anything logical, like money. They can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12187 "2017-10-11T22:20:46Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > But they’re ignoring the fact that there’s substantial overlap between Eminem’s fans and dedicated Trump-worshipers… I would not have known this… -In that case, I like Eminem’s rap even more. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12188 "2017-10-11T22:46:21Z")
Is it just me? Or has there actually been a significant shift in the winds this week? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12189 "2017-10-11T22:50:51Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Is it just me? Or has there actually been a significant shift in the winds this week? The Bob Corker remarks were a turning point, I think, along with Tillerson declining to deny the ‘fucking moron’ report. It _does_ feel different, now. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12190 "2017-10-11T23:05:26Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It’s also the loneliest number Look at post #12166. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12191 "2017-10-11T23:13:39Z")
[Here’s a good article on Macomb County, MI-- the county that produced both Eminem and Kid Rock](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/eminem-kid-rock-macomb-county-politics-215700). Eminem speaking out so harshly against Trump really could make some of those good ol’ blue collar boys and girls of Macomb think twice about this orange anus they put into the WH. Up until now, they’ve been really only seeing positive reinforcement out of native son Bob Ritchie. But now native son Marshall Mathers has something to say too. And even if they’re not the type of people to watch the Hip-Hop Awards on BET, this thing’s gone viral. They may not turn their back on Trump tonight, but a world-famous rapper they claim as their own is now very vocally anti-Trump and he lays out specifically why he is. It could at least plant some seeds in their brains. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12192 "2017-10-11T23:21:23Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Here’s a good article on Macomb County, MI-- the county that produced both Eminem and Kid Rock](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/11/eminem-kid-rock-macomb-county-politics-215700). Eminem speaking out so harshly against Trump really could make some of those good ol’ blue collar boys and girls of Macomb think twice about this orange anus they put into the WH. Up until now, they’ve been really only seeing positive reinforcement out of native son Bob Ritchie. But now native son Marshall Mathers has something to say too. And even if they’re not the type of people to watch the Hip-Hop Awards on BET, this thing’s gone viral. They may not turn their back on Trump tonight, but a world-famous rapper they claim as their own is now very vocally anti-Trump and he lays out specifically why he is. It could at least plant some seeds in their brains. That would be nice, but I wonder if Eminem (and rap) have much of a following among “blue collar boys and girls” anywhere. I admit, I could be too old to really know. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12193 "2017-10-11T23:27:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The Bob Corker remarks were a turning point, I think, along with Tillerson declining to deny the ‘fucking moron’ report. It _does_ feel different, now. Oh my. [Interesting read](https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1729852823693973)on Robert Reich’s facebook account 2 hours ago. > [@](#): > > This morning I phoned my old friend, a Republican former member of Congress. They had an interesting conversation: > [@](#): > > Me: You think Trump is really thinking nuclear war? > > He: Who knows what’s in his head? But I can tell you this. He’s not listening to anyone. Not a soul. He’s got the nuclear codes and, well, it scares the hell out of me. It’s starting to scare all of them. That’s really why Bob spoke up. > > Me: So what could they do? I mean, even if the whole Republican leadership was willing to say publicly he’s unfit to serve, what then? > > He: Bingo! The emperor has no clothes. It’s a signal to everyone they can bail. Have to bail to save their skins. I mean, Trump could be the end of the whole goddam Republican party. and > [@](#): > > He: Look, all I can tell you is many of the people I talk with are getting freaked out. It’s not as if there’s any careful strategizing going on. Not like, well, do we balance the tax bill against nuclear war? No, no. They’re worried as hell. They’re also worried about Trump crazies, all the ignoramuses he’s stirred up. I mean, Roy Moore? How many more of them do you need to destroy the party? > > Me: So what’s gonna happen? > > He: You got me. I’m just glad I’m not there anymore. Trump’s not just a moron. He’s a despicable human being. And he’s getting crazier. Paranoid. Unhinged. Everyone knows it. I mean, we’re in shit up to our eyeballs with this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12194 "2017-10-11T23:29:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Look at post #12166. Two can be as bad as one. It’s the loneliest number since the number one. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12195 "2017-10-11T23:31:04Z")
> [@](#): > > Trump’s not just a moron. He’s a despicable human being. And he’s getting crazier. Paranoid. Unhinged. Everyone knows it. Everyone knows it. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12196 "2017-10-11T23:42:43Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Look at post #12166. 12,166 is the loneliest number. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12197 "2017-10-12T00:02:31Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > That would be nice, but I wonder if Eminem (and rap) have much of a following among “blue collar boys and girls” anywhere. I admit, I could be too old to really know. I live in West Redneck NC. A lot of the redneckiest of the redneck kids sound like ghetto street thugs from Compton. That’s how popular rap is up here with the young’uns. And me. I’m a might-as-well-admit-I’m-middle-aged 'un and I freaking love Eminem along with several of my middle-aged friends. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12198 "2017-10-12T00:12:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Trump’s not just a moron. He’s a despicable human being. And he’s getting crazier. Paranoid. Unhinged. Everyone knows it. I’ve read 6 books on Kim Jong Un and his regime and life in NK. His insanity and completely disregard for improving the living conditions in his country was a bit of a focus of mine. As you will do, I discussed this with my Wife. She came home the other day saying “Trump is crazier than Jong Un”. I’m starting to agree. But Trump is just plain stupid too. Kim Jong Un is not. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12199 "2017-10-12T00:48:38Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > In that case, Tillerson’s characterization of the President’s intellect (the 2-word, adjective + noun version) was spot on. Nailed it. Le mot juste. Pithy and eloquent. Make up your mind… ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12200 "2017-10-12T01:24:08Z")
Things certainly appear to be reaching a fever pitch. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12201 "2017-10-12T01:47:09Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Things certainly appear to be reaching a fever pitch. Maybe. I’ve thought that a couple of times now. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12202 "2017-10-12T02:07:56Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I’ve read 6 books on Kim Jong Un and his regime and life in NK. His insanity and completely disregard for improving the living conditions in his country was a bit of a focus of mine. As you will do, I discussed this with my Wife. > > She came home the other day saying “Trump is crazier than Jong Un”. I’m starting to agree. But Trump is just plain stupid too. Kim Jong Un is not. Have you seen [Trump talk on his attitude toward NK](http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/10/11/trump-stronger-tougher-on-north-korea-sot-nr.cnn)? Or this where he addresses the [Pentagon leaders](https://www.c-span.org/video/?435220-1/president-tells-pentagon-leaders-wants-military-options-much-faster-pace) > [@Emporer Trump](#): > > Moving forward, I also expect you to provide me with a broad range of military options, when needed, at a much faster pace. I know that government bureaucracy is slow, but I am depending on you to overcome the obstacles of bureaucracy. Those ‘obstacles’ meaning Congress, The Senate and the american people I guess. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12203 "2017-10-12T02:37:53Z")
> [@simster](#): > > …Those ‘obstacles’ meaning Congress, The Senate and the american people I guess. Not to mention Reality. Who knew reality could be so… _real_? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=609) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=611)