# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 619
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12364 "2017-10-15T17:08:16Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > **I’ve started noticing an uptick in assertions that Donald Trump WILL be reelected in 2020.** That’s actually encouraging, because NO predictions made this far ahead have ever come true. A lot of the supporters just seem to be trying to convince themselves anyway. > > Every day is a new low in the Trump White House. A month or two in, no one thought it could possibly get worse, but every day it still does. I can’t even imagine the clusterfuck a year from now, let alone in 2020. Possibly we’re hearing this new meme in an effort to cultivate acceptance of the outcome in 2020 among the opposition, against all credible evidence. Much like 2016. How many people continue to talk about 2016 as if it were a legitimate election, even though we now know it was anything but? I remember the feeling I had when it was announced that Trump had “won.” I knew something had gone terribly wrong. And it had. But there was an effort, even among people on this board, to force an acceptance of legitimacy. It wasn’t legitimate. It was a technical win, but only obtained through illegal means. I think it’s possible we’re being set up for that again, and that’s why they’re talking about it already. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12365 "2017-10-15T17:30:01Z")
[Karen Pence and Mad TV’s Miss Swan](https://imgur.com/RCQQxOO) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12366 "2017-10-15T17:51:12Z")
He has declared this to be [National Character Counts Week](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/10/13/trump-proclaims-national-character-counts-week/763727001/). Where’s that barf emoji? I know it’s an annual event that nobody ever notices, but there’s a special resonance to it now. ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12367 "2017-10-16T17:53:23Z")
Can’t let 24 hours pass without having something here… [Trump blames GOP](http://www.startribune.com/trump-and-mcconnell-set-for-frosty-white-house-lunch/451048443/) for their failed health-care agenda: “I’m not going to blame myself. I’ll be honest they are not getting the job done,” Trump told reporters at a Cabinet meeting. Too bad he’s not so good at social media and can’t get enough people to contact their senators telling them how great the bill is - you know, use his bully-pulpit thingy. Maybe it’s because he thinks health-care is hard, too hard to fit into 140 characters. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12368 "2017-10-16T18:18:59Z")
> [@JohnGalt](#): > > Can’t let 24 hours pass without having something here… > > [Trump blames GOP](http://www.startribune.com/trump-and-mcconnell-set-for-frosty-white-house-lunch/451048443/) for their failed health-care agenda: “I’m not going to blame myself. I’ll be honest they are not getting the job done,” Trump told reporters at a Cabinet meeting. > > … You heard it here first: > [@The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-repeal-of-obamacare-aca-step-bystep-inch-by-inch/776146/1469): > > Trump throws a rhetorical bone to his supporters. I can hear him now, “Congress couldn’t get the job done, so I had to do it myself!” > :rolleyes: > > … ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12369 "2017-10-16T18:51:08Z")
> [@](#): > > President Donald Trump falsely claimed on Monday the Affordable Care Act no longer exists, a statement that follows a long list of actions his administration has taken to undermine the law. > “Obamacare is finished. It’s dead. It’s gone. You shouldn’t even mention it. It’s gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare anymore,” Trump insisted during a meeting with his Cabinet at the White House. > Contrary to the president’s claims, Obamacare is still the law of the land. In most states, consumers can sign up for health insurance coverage for 2018 from Nov. 1 to Dec. 15. > **[Trump Says There's 'No Such Thing As Obamacare Anymore' One Month Before...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-obamacare-dead_n_59e4de47e4b0a52aca19aefb?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009)** > > It's still the law of the land. > [@](#): > > In his remarks at the White House on Monday, Trump said his action ending Obamacare subsidies “actually brought Republicans and Democrats together.” He added that Congress was working on a “short-term” legislative fix on Obamacare that could be expected “fairly shortly.” Considering he just said that Congress couldn’t get the job done on repealing Obamacare, this assurance of a ““short-term” legislative fix” doesn’t feel compelling. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12370 "2017-10-16T19:16:00Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Considering he just said that Congress couldn’t get the job done on repealing Obamacare, this assurance of a ““short-term” legislative fix” doesn’t feel compelling. It’s really very simple. Obamacare was a failing program, totally failing, which is why Congress was trying to replace it with totally great healthcare. They failed to do this, which was in no way Trump’s fault. So Trump has no choice but to take actions to eliminate failing Obamacare, but Trump is not at fault for any of the results of his actions because Obamacare had already failed before Trump killed it. And Trump can’t accept any fixes from Congress that would stabilize the system because it was already a failure and also he just killed it, but he isn’t at all at fault for anything that happens from here on out. Just keep in mind that Trump is the ultimate decider and in charge of everything, and simultaneously responsible for nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12371 "2017-10-16T20:03:50Z")
When called out about why he hasn’t mentioned the soldiers killed in Niger, Trump lied that Obama and other presidents never called the families of fallen soldiers. > **[Trump claims Obama, other past presidents didn’t call families of fallen...](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355679-trump-says-unlike-obama-most-presidents-he-calls-families-of-fallen/)** > > President Trump on Monday claimed former President Obama and other past presidents didn’t call the families of fallen soldiers.Trump made the remark after being asked about the four U.S. sold… ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12372 "2017-10-16T20:07:40Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > When called out about why he hasn’t mentioned the soldiers killed in Niger, Trump lied that Obama and other presidents never called the families of fallen soldiers. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355679-trump-says-unlike-obama-most-presidents-he-calls-families-of-fallen](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355679-trump-says-unlike-obama-most-presidents-he-calls-families-of-fallen) I like the way the weasel\* backtracks into “I’ve been told Obama didn’t make calls…” which means “I read it on Breitbart”. Or more likely, an aide read it on Breitbart and told him about it. \*weasels are too slim. “Badger”, I guess, would be more appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12373 "2017-10-16T20:08:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > When called out about why he hasn’t mentioned the soldiers killed in Niger, Trump lied that Obama and other presidents never called the families of fallen soldiers. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355679-trump-says-unlike-obama-most-presidents-he-calls-families-of-fallen](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355679-trump-says-unlike-obama-most-presidents-he-calls-families-of-fallen) But he did say that he wrote letters over the weekend and mailed them. [Or possibly they were being sent today or tonight, or possibly tomorrow, it’s all just details, right?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/10/16/criticized-for-not-commenting-on-soldiers-killed-in-action-trump-falsely-says-obama-did-even-less/?utm_term=.def8e245b13c) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12374 "2017-10-16T20:10:12Z")
I see Breitbart is making attacks on Bob Corker. Ol’ Bannon sniping from the sidelines again. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12375 "2017-10-16T20:15:22Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > But he did say that he wrote letters over the weekend and mailed them. [Or possibly they were being sent today or tonight, or possibly tomorrow, it’s all just details, right?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/10/16/criticized-for-not-commenting-on-soldiers-killed-in-action-trump-falsely-says-obama-did-even-less/?utm_term=.def8e245b13c) > [@linked above](#): > > “The toughest calls I have to make are the calls where this happens — soldiers are killed,” Trump said. > > “It’s a very difficult thing. Now it gets to a point where you make four or five of them in one day, it’s a very, very tough day. For me that’s by far the toughest,” he said. Soldiers are dead and families are grieving. But by all means President _Fucking Moron_, let’s make this ALL ABOUT YOU. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12376 "2017-10-16T20:38:42Z")
Dana Perino on Fox News called Trump’s lying press conference “a great example of democracy in action.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12377 "2017-10-16T20:45:44Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I like the way the weasel\* backtracks into “I’ve been told Obama didn’t make calls…” which means “I read it on Breitbart”. Or more likely, an aide read it on Breitbart and told him about it. > > \*weasels are too slim. “Badger”, I guess, would be more appropriate. But badgers are tough and tenacious. How about a Regulan bloodworm? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12378 "2017-10-16T20:47:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Dana Perino on Fox News called Trump’s lying press conference “a great example of democracy in action.” I guess you could interpret that to mean “an unfettered free press catching a politician in a bald-faced lie, and that’s great” but that’s probably not what Fox meant. For those without HBO: for the last few weeks John Oliver has done a bit where they show a clip of Trump telling a blatant and easily refuted lie. Oliver bangs a big button on his desk and shouts “We got him!”. Confetti showers, marching band…and then he says “wait, wait, cut…he’s still president” and resumes the show. Lies just don’t matter much anymore, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12379 "2017-10-16T20:47:56Z")
> [@](#): > > …But badgers are tough and tenacious. How about a Regulan bloodworm? Badgers? Badgers? We don’t need no \*steenking \*badgers! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12380 "2017-10-16T20:51:15Z")
Trump joking about murdering gay people. > **[The Danger of President Pence](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/the-danger-of-president-pence)** > > Trump’s critics yearn for his exit. But Mike Pence, the corporate right’s inside man, poses his own risks. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12381 "2017-10-16T20:51:41Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > But by all means President _Fucking Moron_, let’s make this ALL ABOUT YOU. Except when Trump fucks up. Then he wants to try to make it all about Obama or Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12382 "2017-10-16T21:13:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump joking about murdering gay people. > [The Danger of President Pence | The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/10/23/the-danger-of-president-pence) Please, like, read the stuff before you post links. Then post a quote, such as > [@](#): > > _Pence, who has dutifully stood by the President, mustering a devotional gaze rarely seen since the days of Nancy Reagan …_ to help understand what you mean. Because that is a very long article. Its subject matter is entirely VP Farthing. I scanned down half of the content to see if I could find what you meant. It is not there. Knock off with the bullshit posts. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12383 "2017-10-16T21:24:04Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Please, like, read the stuff before you post links. Then post a quote, such as > > to help understand what you mean. > > Because that is a very long article. Its subject matter is entirely VP Farthing. I scanned down half of the content to see if I could find what you meant. It is not there. Knock off with the bullshit posts. [It’s this.](https://www.elitedaily.com/p/trump-said-pence-wants-to-hang-gay-people-apparently-so-thats-great-2920809) > [@](#): > > It’s no secret that the president has a penchant for off-color jokes. But Donald Trump can even take them too far with people in his own inner circle, it seems, including his own vice president. The New Yorker reports that, according to a campaign staff member, Trump once joked that Mike Pence “wants to hang” gay people. > > ``` > It’s very clear who is driving the anti-LGBTQ agenda in the White House when Trump jokes about Pence saying ‘don’t ask him, he wants to hang them all.’ These poor excuses for men disgust me. > — Dana Goldberg (@DGComedy) October 16, 2017 > > ``` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=618) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=620)