# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 620
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12384 "2017-10-16T21:42:24Z")
Yeah, Trump is [mocking Pence](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/trump-regularly-mocks-pences-religion-and-even-joked-he-wanted-to-hang-all-lgbt-people-report/), not gay people. Meanwhile, the local news is having live coverage of his (the Cheeto in Chief, not Pence) just now landing about 20 miles from me in Greenville, SC, on his way to some campaign rally or something. The local stations are even required to turn off their traffic cameras while the turd is rolling. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12385 "2017-10-16T21:47:23Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Yeah, Trump is [mocking Pence](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/trump-regularly-mocks-pences-religion-and-even-joked-he-wanted-to-hang-all-lgbt-people-report/), not gay people. > > Meanwhile, the local news is having live coverage of his (the Cheeto in Chief, not Pence) just now landing about 20 miles from me in Greenville, SC, on his way to some campaign rally or something. The local stations are even required to turn off their traffic cameras while the turd is rolling. But what inspired Trump to make that specific joke? Pence is no friend of gays and want to relegate them to second or third-class citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12386 "2017-10-16T21:54:14Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > But what inspired Trump to make that specific joke? Pence is no friend of gays and want to relegate them to second or third-class citizenship. Yes, but the point is that the butt of the joke was Pence, not gay people. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12387 "2017-10-16T22:00:02Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Yes, but the point is that the butt of the joke was Pence, not gay people. But what prompted him to characterize Pence that way? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12388 "2017-10-16T22:43:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > But what prompted him to characterize Pence that way? Oral diarrhea and an irresistible urge to bully? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12389 "2017-10-16T22:44:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > But what prompted him to characterize Pence that way? It makes Trump look better by comparison. It hurts Mike Pence. It’s another dig at someone who Trump needs. Trump was thinking “I’ll impress Bannon if I dig at this guy.” I could go on, but it’s a typical abusers comment. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12390 "2017-10-16T23:00:24Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > It makes Trump look better by comparison. It hurts Mike Pence. It’s another dig at someone who Trump needs. Trump was thinking “I’ll impress Bannon if I dig at this guy.” > > I could go on, but it’s a typical abusers comment. Exactly. When it comes to DJT, asking \*why \*is futile. If a bus comes by and he feels like throwing someone under it… that’s what he does. Like a 2-year old. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12391 "2017-10-16T23:23:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Exactly. When it comes to DJT, asking \*why \*is futile. If a bus comes by and he feels like throwing someone under it… that’s what he does. Like a 2-year old. It does not seem to be a matter of whether or not he feels like it. I get the feeling that whenever he sees a bus approaching, he instinctively looks around for someone he can throw under it. Because that is what buses are for. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12392 "2017-10-16T23:29:54Z")
It really is a classic abuser habit, though. He has to inflict pain on others, it is the defining element of both his personality and administration. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12393 "2017-10-17T00:16:55Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > When called out about why he hasn’t mentioned the soldiers killed in Niger, Trump lied that Obama and other presidents never called the families of fallen soldiers. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355679-trump-says-unlike-obama-most-presidents-he-calls-families-of-fallen](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355679-trump-says-unlike-obama-most-presidents-he-calls-families-of-fallen) > [@](#): > > When asked about U.S. soldiers who were killed in an ambush attack by extremists in Niger, Mr. Trump told reporters that he had written them personal letters, \*\*and would at “some point” be calling the the families of those killed overseas. \*\* > > “I felt very, very badly about that, I always feel badly. It’s the toughest calls, the toughest calls I have to make are the calls where this happens. Soldiers are killed. It’s a very difficult thing.” > > He added, in a direct jab at Obama, “The traditional way, if you look at President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn’t make calls, a lot of them didn’t make calls.\*\* I like to call when it’s appropriate, when I think I’m able to do it.”\*\* He hasn’t even done it yet. He has given himself credit for what he thinks he is going to do. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12394 "2017-10-17T02:00:40Z")
It is difficult to write a letter. There are 26 to choose from. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12395 "2017-10-17T02:08:36Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > It is difficult to write a letter. There are 26 to choose from. The hard part is deciding which one to start with. Who knew alphabeting could be so hard? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12396 "2017-10-17T03:04:03Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Please, like, read the stuff before you post links. Then post a quote, such as > > to help understand what you mean. > > Because that is a very long article. Its subject matter is entirely VP Farthing. I scanned down half of the content to see if I could find what you meant. It is not there. Knock off with the bullshit posts. You don’t see the part about laughing about Pence wanting to hang all gay people? I’m sorry that you’re so reading challenged. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12397 "2017-10-17T04:02:08Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > You don’t see the part about laughing about Pence wanting to hang all gay people? I’m sorry that you’re so reading challenged. Sorry. I was disinclined to dig through a lengthy story about America’s AssWart, in a way that is analogous to “_here, watch this 20 minute video that explains my ideology in excruciating detail_”. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12398 "2017-10-17T04:58:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Sorry. I was disinclined to dig through a lengthy story about America’s AssWart, in a way that is analogous to “_here, watch this 20 minute video that explains my ideology in excruciating detail_”. You should get one of the newer computers, that allows you to search a page for “joke.” ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12399 "2017-10-17T05:02:13Z")
12-06-2016, 09:03 PM > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Not to sound melodramatic (it won’t be that bad here obviously) but in China after Mao totally fucked everything up in the 60s, and he was put out to pasture he got enraged and started the cultural revolution. I could see Trump and his followers trying something similar. Going on an angry rampage against academics, intellectuals, the media, liberals, minorities, republicans who do not fall in line, etc. because they will blame them for blocking progress on ‘making america great again’. When I say an angry rampage I’m sure there will be violence here and there but nothing that’ll shatter the fabric of society. Probably random shootings by right wing extremists combined with some government surveillance and oppression. Quoted to say, rather prescient; we’re already seeing the beginnings of this with the Charlottesville killing and beatings, the right-winger planting a bomb in an airport, and scattered white nationalist rallies. Assuming Trump continues to fail to accomplish anything legislatively (and assuming he doesn’t do something catastrophic like starting a war with Iran or North Korea), I think this is what Trump’s presidency will be most remembered for; taking the existing polarization in our politics and jacking it up to insane levels. As the small margin of people who supported him from the outset (60% disapproval rating \*on election day) continues to shrink, I think the number of these incidents will rise as Trump supporters become increasingly marginalized by the rest of society and simply by remaining Trump supporters are far more likely to be extremists of some variety. They’ll perceive themselves as slighted victims and act accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12400 "2017-10-17T05:02:41Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > He hasn’t even done it yet. He has given himself credit for what he thinks he is going to do. Just when I thought I couldn’t hate the cocksucker more… ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12401 "2017-10-17T05:19:23Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Trump says that he met with the President of The Virgin Islands](https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/white-house-transcript-corrects-trumps-widely-mocked-claim-he-met-with-president-of-the-virgin-islands/). Looking on the bright side, if we catch Trump talking to himself on camera, removing him from office via the 25th Amendment becomes plausible. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12402 "2017-10-17T05:53:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > …We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!" > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918428456869916672) > [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918430769776914432) > [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/918432809282342912) I think the words that should be coming from the lips of everyone who hates Trump, from now until 2020, should be: “We can keep the military in Afghanistan for 16 years, but we can’t afford to keep the military in a U.S. disaster zone helping U.S. citizens for more than a month?” ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12403 "2017-10-17T11:58:24Z")
[The editorial board of _The New York Times_ disapproves of Trump’s foreign “policy.”](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/16/opinion/trump-america-international-surrender.html) Not new news of course; but still they make their case eloquently and with a calmness some of us couldn’t maintain. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=619) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=621)