# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 642
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12825 "2017-10-25T01:39:37Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Wow, how are all those Africans getting to Chicago? > > Maybe we need a wall. Well, cities are going to need a sea wall sooner or later anyway when the ice caps finish melting. But we can’t explain we’re getting ready for global warming… say it’s to keep African immigrants out and Congress will allocate $3 trillion, tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12826 "2017-10-25T02:08:05Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Choosing to “fight Trump” through _retirement_ is a pretty passive way of going about things. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a pretty good speech. But you combine that speech with > > “And so I’m going to run for reelection and prevent some brain-dead Trumpbot from filling my critical seat and fucking things up even worse, and if I lose the primary then so be it” > > or > > “And so I’m going to work with Democrats and other Senators of reason to provide some real accountability from this Administration for as long as I hold my seat” > > or > > "And if Trump wants any votes from me on his priorities then he better shape up and stop acting like a lizard man in the following respects . . . " > > or others. He’s got power right now, how about he uses it for what he says it needs to be used for? Denouncing stuff then giving up is not so impressive. Flake still has two years left on his term. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12827 "2017-10-25T02:24:37Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Peace with honor. If he loses the primary, then he a loser and will be branded as such; anathema for a politician. If he just doesn’t run, he can claim personal reasons to ‘spend more time with (my) family’. To my mind, peace with honor is fighting the fight, even if you might lose it. Concede once you’ve lost, not before the battle has even started. Heck, at this point, the battle is a gleam in someone’s eye. Unfortunately, what he is effectively saying is he can’t win. If he’s right, that’s a scary message. I know it’s Arizona, but I still don’t like the message. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12828 "2017-10-25T03:18:07Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Jeff Flake just [scorched the Earth](http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/10/24/sen-jeff-flake-senate-speech-full-text/794958001/) of the GOP and the president. > \* > “Mr. President, I rise today to say: Enough. We must dedicate ourselves to making sure that the anomalous never becomes normal. With respect and humility, I must say that we have fooled ourselves for long enough that a pivot to governing is right around the corner, a return to civility and stability right behind it. We know better than that. By now, we all know better than that.” > > “Now, I am aware that more politically savvy people than I caution against such talk. I am aware that a segment of my party believes that anything short of complete and unquestioning loyalty to a president who belongs to my party is unacceptable and suspect.”\* I hope that this is the “at long last” speach that awakens some people. As things are, I am not betting on that. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12829 "2017-10-25T04:58:09Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > I hope that this is the “at long last” speach that awakens some people. As things are, I am not betting on that. Not bloody likely. Republican politicians are going to hunker down like hostage victims, hoping that they will avoid the attention of Bannon, while at the same time hoping, praying that the money spigots will continue to flow for a little while longer. The Trump base have no idea that this speech even happened. It is not being reported by any media they consume. At all. Nor will it be. All they know is that Hillary made the Russians do stuff, the FBI is in on the conspiracy, and Trump is always right. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12830 "2017-10-25T05:56:36Z")
Not 100% sure where to put this, but this is as good a place as any: Melania gets backlash for telling kids not to copy [someone else](https://www.yahoo.com/news/melania-trump-gets-backlash-telling-185054746.html). ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12831 "2017-10-25T06:12:39Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Flake still has two years left on his term. Nitpick: 14 months. His term is up in January 2019. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12832 "2017-10-25T07:13:32Z")
[Trump asked back in March about changing the name of Denali back to Mt. McKinley to spite Obama.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/trump-denali-mt-mckinley/index.html) > [@](#): > > But Trump had one final issue on his mind. “He looked at me and said, ‘I heard that the big mountain in Alaska also had – also its name was changed by executive action. Do you want us to reverse that?’” Sullivan said. > > Lisa – Sen. Murkowski – and I jumped over the desk," Sullivan said. “We said no, no!” > > Trump, perplexed that the two Republicans wanted to keep an Obama-era decision, asked why. > > “The Alaska Native people named that mountain over 10,000 years ago,” Sullivan said. “Denali, that was the name.” ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12833 "2017-10-25T08:10:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [Trump asked back in March about changing the name of Denali back to Mt. McKinley to spite Obama.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/24/politics/trump-denali-mt-mckinley/index.html) Pretty much sums up his legislative philosophy. So far all he’s done is run through a list of every action Obama took, and taken any measure within the scope of his power (and a few arguably, beyond it) to wipe those actions away. Whether or not the people affected want it wiped away, or even if it’s completely irrelevant as above. When you peel back the superficial layers of the Trump onion, you find it’s superficial all the way down. He’s just never going to let go of his hurt feels from Obama mocking him at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner. He’ll consider his presidency a success if it accomplishes nothing, but reverses every Obama-era action. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12834 "2017-10-25T09:32:24Z")
It sure was nice of Flake and Corker and McCain to speak out excoriating the president before walking into the senate chambers and voting his agenda right down the line: [Senate votes](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pence-breaks-tie-senate-votes-kill-rule-allowing-class-action-n814021) to repeal an arbitration rule that allows for class action suits against banks. Banks like Wells Fargo when they do shit like Wells Fargo does. You know, really looking out for the forgotten man; the little guy. It was a 50-50 vote, broken by Pence, with Lindsey Graham and John Kennedy the Republicans to vote against. So thanks guys, but then again, go fuck yourselves if this is the sort of shit we are to continue to expect from you. ---
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12835 "2017-10-25T10:04:57Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > It sure was nice of Flake and Corker and McCain to speak out excoriating the president before walking into the senate chambers and voting his agenda right down the line: [Senate votes](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pence-breaks-tie-senate-votes-kill-rule-allowing-class-action-n814021) to repeal an arbitration rule that allows for class action suits against banks. Banks like Wells Fargo when they do shit like Wells Fargo does. You know, really looking out for the forgotten man; the little guy. It was a 50-50 vote, broken by Pence, with Lindsey Graham and John Kennedy the Republicans to vote against. > > So thanks guys, but then again, go fuck yourselves if this is the sort of shit we are to continue to expect from you. They’re all cocks, the lot of 'em. They just don’t like that one bastard over there. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12836 "2017-10-25T10:05:10Z")
Flake and Corker were also two of the seventeen to vote against the disaster relief bill that went to Trump’s desk as well, so let’s not start sucking their dicks just yet, is all I’m saying. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12837 "2017-10-25T11:15:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Sadly, this. > > I’m surprised he hasn’t said that Obama called her and told her to lie. Oops. You just gave him the idea. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12838 "2017-10-25T12:12:12Z")
> [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > They’re all cocks, the lot of 'em. They just don’t like that one bastard over there. Yes. One of the biggest drawbacks of Trumpism is that some Americans will be deceived into thinking that Republioturds who’ve opposed the Orange Sociopath have somehow demonstrated actual humanity. It’s important that the American public realize that all these [del]cocks[/del] cooks are helping to serve up the same shit-filled omelette. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12839 "2017-10-25T12:42:14Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > Oops. You just gave him the idea. Of course, it goes deeper than that. Obama and Killary set up the ambush in the first place, specifically to make it look like they killed “la david johnson”, (as if that was ever his real name(and like he’s really dead, why do you think it took so long to “find the body”, you do the math)), then timed the delivery of the casket to line up with trump’s sacred call to comfort the family of the fallen. That way, their operative wilson could be in the car in order to have an excuse to make up lies about our dear leader. It’s just like when Jeff Flake and Bob Corker flew those drones into the buildings on 9-11. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12840 "2017-10-25T13:07:59Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step. Yeah, but at that point you’ve still got almost a thousand miles to go. Flake’s speech was indeed pretty good as written, but I saw some clips of him reciting it and it came off as…colorless. Poor, affectless delivery, stumbled over every fifth or so word…Obama would have knocked it out of the park, oratory-wise. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12841 "2017-10-25T13:37:06Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > It’s important that the American public realize that all these [del]cocks[/del] cooks are helping to serve up the same shit-filled omelette. You got some of the EGGS? I didn’t get any eggs. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12842 "2017-10-25T14:20:43Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Yeah, but at that point you’ve still got almost a thousand miles to go. So walk 500 miles, and then walk 500 more. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12843 "2017-10-25T14:25:01Z")
So you’re satisfied with what Flake Proclaimed? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12844 "2017-10-25T14:57:50Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > … > The Trump base have no idea that this speech even happened. It is not being reported by any media they consume. At all. Nor will it be. > … That, and Trump’s tweets are their main source of information. It reminds me of the O.J. Simpson jury who had so much information kept from them. After the trial was over and they found out all the stuff they were not allowed to hear and consider, they were shocked. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=641) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=643)