# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 644
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12865 "2017-10-26T03:52:55Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So… was it a chart, or was it one of the greatest memories of all time? I had the same question. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12866 "2017-10-26T04:05:49Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So… was it a chart, or was it one of the greatest memories of all time? > [@Bayard](#): > > I had the same question. He remembered to bring the chart. Great memory. I don’t think Obama would’ve done that so well. His undergrad, I’m pretty sure, was not Ivy League like Trump’s. I don’t know if it was, but I don’t think so. I’ve heard from people it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12867 "2017-10-26T05:02:02Z")
Good that some Republicans are starting to rag on Trump. Not unlike those Nazis who tried to kill Hitler though. Good on them, but hey, they were still Nazis. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12868 "2017-10-26T05:11:20Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > He remembered to bring the chart. Great memory. I don’t think Obama would’ve done that so well. His undergrad, I’m pretty sure, was not Ivy League like Trump’s. I don’t know if it was, but I don’t think so. I’ve heard from people it wasn’t. Bunch of righties freaked out and demanded Obama publish his college transcripts because those jackasses are still convinced that not only was Obama born in Kenya, he never graduated from university. And not a single one is questioning Trump’s academic credentials. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12869 "2017-10-26T05:36:58Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > That, and Trump’s tweets are their main source of information. > > It reminds me of the O.J. Simpson jury who had so much information kept from them. After the trial was over and they found out all the stuff they were not allowed to hear and consider, they were shocked. The idea that there are people out there who read Trump’s twitter feed and nod along and smile, just made me shudder a little bit. But you know these people have to exist. How they manage to tie their shoelaces in the morning I’ll never understand. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12870 "2017-10-26T05:40:19Z")
> [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > The idea that there are people out there who read Trump’s twitter feed and nod along and smile, just made me shudder a little bit. > > But you know these people have to exist. How they manage to tie their shoelaces in the morning I’ll never understand. What baffles me is that they don’t think “Wait, Trump’s complaining about what some Flake guy said about him. Huh… maybe I’ll look that up and read what he said.” ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12871 "2017-10-26T06:22:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So… was it a chart, or was it one of the greatest memories of all time? His memory is capable of holding enough information to read off the teleprompter, one word at a time. The trick is to make it go slow enough that he has time to read yet quick enough to keep him from going improptu. Maybe for his calls they should use a bigger teleprompter, with glitter and playboy bunnies so it holds his attention better. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12872 "2017-10-26T10:22:07Z")
…so I just googled Whitefish: and I was a bit stunned at what I saw on the google search results. (Screenshot attached.) [https://ibb.co/mytCi6](https://ibb.co/mytCi6) What that shows is that the Whitefish website is an off-the-shelf wordpress template, bought for probably under $100.00. And a quick google search shows exactly that: (Another screenshot) [https://ibb.co/jZLHi6](https://ibb.co/jZLHi6) Here is the theme site: > **[BeProfile – BeTheme](https://themes.muffingroup.com/be/profile/)** > > BeProfile | Best WordPress theme for personal site And the purchase page: > **[Betheme | Responsive Multipurpose WordPress & WooCommerce Theme](https://themeforest.net/item/betheme-responsive-multipurpose-wordpress-theme/7758048?irgwc=1&clickid=3gD26PQ%3AnxyNWpzRKMye5U3bUkAWLI3l0wHkQk0&iradid=275988&irpid=1289117&iradtype=ONLINE_TRACKING_LINK&irmptype=mediapartner&mp_value1=&utm_campaign=af_impact_radius_1289117&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=impact_radius)** > > Latest Version 26.7.5 – March 23rd, 2023 – view changelog > > > > Full WordPress 6.1 compatibility > Full Elementor and Elementor Pro compatibility > Full WooCommerce 7.5 compatibility > GDPR Ready > > > > > > > > ... And here is the Whitefish website: > **[Whitefish – Energy](https://www.whitefishenergy.com)** > > Whitefish Energy Holdings LLC, based in Whitefish, MT, services customers throughout the United States and now Puerto Rico. WEH’s leadership and field management teams have proven track records and experience to execute on the most challenging... At best that website would have taken an afternoon to put together. So little time and expertise were used to put the website together that they didn’t even change the site title and the tagline in the general options. No customizations. Whitefish make more four times as much in an hour than they invested in their website. And just to be clear on how lazy these people are: this is a very versatile wordpress theme: you can easily make it look like something else with just a click, here are some examples… > **[Betheme - The Biggest WordPress & WooCommerce Theme with 650+ pre-built...](https://muffingroup.com/betheme/)** > > The Multipurpose WordPress & WooCommerce Theme that helps you build ANY type of website in no time. Design visually with the best Live Builder for WordPress you ever met. But they didn’t even try to customize the site. They just used the default skin. This shouldn’t come as a surprise. But I’m surprised. I honestly can’t even fathom how borked the tender process must be right now for these guys to have somehow won a multi-million dollar windfall. There is every possibility that these guys will pull together and do an adequate job. But a the moment they are [arguing with the San Juan’s mayor, Carmen Yulín Cruz, threatening to pull out of Puerto Rico.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/25/puerto-rico-power-whitefish-energy-carmen-yulin-cruz) (They have since withdrawn and apologised.) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12873 "2017-10-26T10:49:27Z")
As I understand it, the company consists of only two people. Not a real deep pool to choose from for your tech needs, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12874 "2017-10-26T13:47:02Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > At best that website would have taken an afternoon to put together. So little time and expertise were used to put the website together that they didn’t even change the site title and the tagline in the general options. No customizations. Whitefish make more four times as much in an hour than they invested in their website. And just to be clear on how lazy these people are: this is a very versatile wordpress theme: you can easily make it look like something else with just a click, here are some examples… > > [Betheme - The Biggest WordPress & WooCommerce Theme with 700+ pre-built websites](http://themes.muffingroup.com/be/splash/) > > But they didn’t even try to customize the site. They just used the default skin. > > This shouldn’t come as a surprise. But I’m surprised. I honestly can’t even fathom how borked the tender process must be right now for these guys to have somehow won a multi-million dollar windfall. I had a similar reaction after seeing the webpage of a coworker I shall for simplicity’s sake call The Imbecile. Basic out of the box theme, outdated information, false information and things such as informing the world of his company’s credit rating (which happened to be his own personal rating, given the “company” type). Several of my coworkers thought it was “oh, nice!” though. To someone who’s never so much as tried to change the background color in one of those, apparently anything looks cool. This applies to webpages but also to many other things: that aphorism about sufficiently advanced science might be rewritten as “sufficient amounts of ignorance make anything seem like magic”. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12875 "2017-10-26T14:02:49Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > I had a similar reaction after seeing the webpage of a coworker I shall for simplicity’s sake call The Imbecile. Basic out of the box theme, outdated information, false information and things such as informing the world of his company’s credit rating (which happened to be his own personal rating, given the “company” type). > > Several of my coworkers thought it was “oh, nice!” though. To someone who’s never so much as tried to change the background color in one of those, apparently anything looks cool. This applies to webpages but also to many other things: that aphorism about sufficiently advanced science might be rewritten as “sufficient amounts of ignorance make anything seem like magic”. Did that co-worker get a lucrative gov’t contract? ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12876 "2017-10-26T14:26:00Z")
> [@digs](#): > > What baffles me is that they don’t think “Wait, Trump’s complaining about what some Flake guy said about him. Huh… maybe I’ll look that up and read what he said.” And read #FLAKENEWS? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12877 "2017-10-26T14:53:11Z")
Puerto Rico’s hasn’t enough trouble that they’re going to end up with a Whitefish … a stinking worthless Coney Island whitefish. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12878 "2017-10-26T15:38:56Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …so I just googled Whitefish: and I was a bit stunned at what I saw on the google search results. (Screenshot attached.) > > [https://ibb.co/mytCi6](https://ibb.co/mytCi6) > > What that shows is that the Whitefish website is an off-the-shelf wordpress template, bought for probably under $100.00. And a quick google search shows exactly that: (Another screenshot) > > [https://ibb.co/jZLHi6](https://ibb.co/jZLHi6) > > Here is the theme site: > > [BeProfile – BeTheme](http://themes.muffingroup.com/be/profile/) > > And the purchase page: > > [Betheme | Responsive Multipurpose WordPress & WooCommerce Theme by muffingroup](https://themeforest.net/item/betheme-responsive-multipurpose-wordpress-theme/7758048?ref=muffingroup) > > And here is the Whitefish website: > > [https://www.whitefishenergy.com](https://www.whitefishenergy.com) > > At best that website would have taken an afternoon to put together. So little time and expertise were used to put the website together that they didn’t even change the site title and the tagline in the general options. No customizations. Whitefish make more four times as much in an hour than they invested in their website. And just to be clear on how lazy these people are: this is a very versatile wordpress theme: you can easily make it look like something else with just a click, here are some examples… > > [Betheme - The Biggest WordPress & WooCommerce Theme with 700+ pre-built websites](http://themes.muffingroup.com/be/splash/) > > But they didn’t even try to customize the site. They just used the default skin. > > This shouldn’t come as a surprise. But I’m surprised. I honestly can’t even fathom how borked the tender process must be right now for these guys to have somehow won a multi-million dollar windfall. There is every possibility that these guys will pull together and do an adequate job. But a the moment they are [arguing with the San Juan’s mayor, Carmen Yulín Cruz, threatening to pull out of Puerto Rico.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/25/puerto-rico-power-whitefish-energy-carmen-yulin-cruz) (They have since withdrawn and apologised.) From FARK two days ago, I learned this: Their corporate filing address is 503 Railway St, Suite B, Whitefish, MT, which is the same address as “Kintla Copy and Creative” of Whitefish. In other words, their corporate headquarters is a Kinko’s knock-off in Whitefish. Remember, only the best people! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12879 "2017-10-26T15:59:53Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Choosing to “fight Trump” through _retirement_ is a pretty passive way of going about things. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a pretty good speech. But you combine that speech with > > “And so I’m going to run for reelection and prevent some brain-dead Trumpbot from filling my critical seat and fucking things up even worse, and if I lose the primary then so be it” > > or > > “And so I’m going to work with Democrats and other Senators of reason to provide some real accountability from this Administration for as long as I hold my seat” > > or > > "And if Trump wants any votes from me on his priorities then he better shape up and stop acting like a lizard man in the following respects . . . " > > or others. He’s got power right now, how about he uses it for what he says it needs to be used for? Denouncing stuff then giving up is not so impressive. I agree. It was a pretty speech, sounded good, etc etc blah blah blah. But then if you’ve already decided to cash in and retire, when you know any blowback won’t affect you, then it’s all too easy to feign courage. It’s like telling your boss to drop dead, after HR has already processed and finalized your retirement papers. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12880 "2017-10-26T16:05:28Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > I hope that this is the “at long last” speach that awakens some people. As things are, I am not betting on that. It isn’t. It won’t be. “Some people” can’t be moved, persuaded, or reasoned with. It’s their way or no way, to hell with reality/facts/repercussions. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12881 "2017-10-26T16:07:13Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > It sure was nice of Flake and Corker and McCain to speak out excoriating the president before walking into the senate chambers and voting his agenda right down the line: … > > So thanks guys, but then again, go fuck yourselves if this is the sort of shit we are to continue to expect from you. You got that right. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12882 "2017-10-26T16:13:36Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > From FARK two days ago, I learned this: Their corporate filing address is 503 Railway St, Suite B, Whitefish, MT, which is the same address as “Kintla Copy and Creative” of Whitefish. In other words, their corporate headquarters is a Kinko’s knock-off in Whitefish. > > Remember, only the best people! It really only makes sense, in a homeopathic way. If your problem is on an island surrounded by big water, then your solution is in a kinkos surrounded by land. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12883 "2017-10-26T16:22:12Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > From FARK two days ago, I learned this: Their corporate filing address is 503 Railway St, Suite B, Whitefish, MT, which is the same address as “Kintla Copy and Creative” of Whitefish. In other words, their corporate headquarters is a Kinko’s knock-off in Whitefish. > > Remember, only the best people! Looking at Google maps street view. I see nothing that resembles a utility company. The Kintla Copy is ‘Suite A’ per the address. There is also a pizza place what looks like a clothing company and perhaps a bar. I do see a Fed-X sign in one window. I suppose the Kintla Copy may also serve as a Fed-X store. I know that UPS stores have private mailboxes you can rent. So this Whitefish Power may just have a PMB (Private Mail Box) there. In there defense, small towns out west can be strange in that some don’t get any mail delivery. Whitefish does have a regular Post Office though. Makes you wonder where the ‘office’ is. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/12884 "2017-10-26T16:25:35Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Looking at Google maps street view. I see nothing that resembles a utility company. The Kintla Copy is ‘Suite A’ per the address. There is also a pizza place what looks like a clothing company and perhaps a bar. > > I do see a Fed-X sign in one window. I suppose the Kintla Copy may also serve as a Fed-X store. I know that UPS stores have private mailboxes you can rent. So this Whitefish Power may just have a PMB (Private Mail Box) there. > > In there defense, small towns out west can be strange in that some don’t get any mail delivery. Whitefish does have a regular Post Office though. > > Makes you wonder where the ‘office’ is. That’s fine defense for it being a small company in a small town. The question is why did this small company in a small town get such a large contract, when it is quite obvious they do not have the resources to service it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=643) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=645)