# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 682
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13625 "2017-11-16T19:37:40Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Naw. I just don’t think his hands can handle a grown-up’s bottle. Come to think of it… Is it possible that water bottle is actually the same size as Rubio’s water bottle? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13626 "2017-11-16T19:50:40Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > OK, as much as I’m opposed to all things Trump, the water drinking thing looks like a stretch to me. I was expecting a spazz gushing water everywhere from all the hype, but saw nothing out of the ordinary. I get it’s karma for him mocking Rubio, but for all of Trump’s mishaps, this one ranks at the bottom. I’m not mocking. I think he looked really unwell, and I’m not going to mock him for that. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13627 "2017-11-16T20:06:34Z")
I thought the water bottle was karmic schadenfreude, nothing more. It gave me a chuckle. But I appreciate **jsgoddess** ’s observation re Trump’s health. I actually noticed how bad he was looking when I recently saw some footage of Trump taken during one of the Clinton/Trump debates that was immediately followed by recent footage of Trump. He looks like hell. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13628 "2017-11-16T20:24:42Z")
For normal presidents I would say that the workload is taking its toll… but we know that’s certainly not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13629 "2017-11-16T20:45:05Z")
Surprised that no one posted this yet (unless they did and I missed it) > [@](#): > > President Trump’s top economic adviser, Gary Cohn, looked out from the stage at a sea of CEOs and top executives in the audience Tuesday for the Wall Street Journal’s CEO Council meeting. As Cohn sat comfortably onstage, a Journal editor asked the crowd to raise their hands if their company plans to invest more if the tax reform bill passes. > > Very few hands went up. > > Cohn looked surprised. “Why aren’t the other hands up?” he said. > **[Analysis | ‘Why aren’t the other hands up?’ A top Trump adviser’s startling...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/14/why-arent-the-other-hands-up-a-top-trump-advisers-startling-response-to-ceos-not-doing-what-hed-expect/?utm_term=.02ee8e101c8c)** > > There are reasons to be doubtful that a great business investment boom would materialize because of tax cuts. So much for trickle down Economics. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13630 "2017-11-16T20:53:41Z")
> [@](#): > > **Buck Godot** > > Surprised that no one posted this yet (unless they did and I missed it) > > > [@](#): > > > > Quote: > > President Trump’s top economic adviser, Gary Cohn, looked out from the stage at a sea of CEOs and top executives in the audience Tuesday for the Wall Street Journal’s CEO Council meeting. As Cohn sat comfortably onstage, a Journal editor asked the crowd to raise their hands if their company plans to invest more if the tax reform bill passes. > > > > Very few hands went up. > > > > Cohn looked surprised. “Why aren’t the other hands up?” he said. > > [The Washington Post - Breaking news and latest headlines, U.S. news, world news, and video - The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/)…=.02ee8e101c8c > > So much for trickle down Economics. I think the companies are already profitable enough to “invest” if there was a business rationale to do so. They don’t need tax cuts, they have the money already. Tax cuts will just give them more profits. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13631 "2017-11-16T21:08:50Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I think the companies are already profitable enough to “invest” if there was a business rationale to do so. They don’t need tax cuts, they have the money already. Tax cuts will just give them more profits. Yup. They don’t need capital, they need customers. And they won’t increase pay unless they need to to keep employees. Basic stuff the GOP ignores. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13632 "2017-11-16T21:28:41Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’m not mocking. I think he looked really unwell, and I’m not going to mock him for that. It might well be the effects of the ‘road trip’. Even when I was 20-30 years younger than Trump, crossing 8-10 time zones and spending (and I don’t care in how much comfort) 12-15 hours on a plane _will_ wear on you. So yeah, in the list of Trump shenanigans, this is fairly low on the list. IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13633 "2017-11-16T21:42:39Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I thought the water bottle was karmic schadenfreude, nothing more. It gave me a chuckle. But I appreciate **jsgoddess** ’s observation re Trump’s health. I actually noticed how bad he was looking when I recently saw some footage of Trump taken during one of the Clinton/Trump debates that was immediately followed by recent footage of Trump. He looks like hell. True, but that’s somewhat normal for the presidency. Look at campaign pictures and then second State-of-the-Union pictures of any president and they all look like they’ve aged 10 years (except Carter who I swear aged 20 years his first week in office). It’s a hard job on healthy, middle-aged men. It can’t be easy for a pampered, fast-food eating, senior citizen. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13634 "2017-11-16T21:47:12Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > True, but that’s somewhat normal for the presidency. Look at campaign pictures and then second State-of-the-Union pictures of any president and they all look like they’ve aged 10 years (except Carter who I swear aged 20 years his first week in office). It’s a hard job on healthy, middle-aged men. It can’t be easy for a pampered, fast-food eating, senior citizen. Here’s hoping. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13635 "2017-11-16T22:02:22Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > True, but that’s somewhat normal for the presidency. Look at campaign pictures and then second State-of-the-Union pictures of any president and they all look like they’ve aged 10 years (except Carter who I swear aged 20 years his first week in office). It’s a hard job on healthy, middle-aged men. It can’t be easy for a pampered, fast-food eating, senior citizen. The other presidents worked hard and worried about things. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13636 "2017-11-16T22:04:46Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The other presidents worked hard and worried about things. Having been angry before, I’m willing to speculate that being an incontinent irrational rage beast could be a bit wearing too. I mean have you ever seen an infant screaming? Their faces get so red. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13637 "2017-11-16T22:08:01Z")
But they way they giggle when you give them the candy back makes it all worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13638 "2017-11-16T22:45:32Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The other presidents worked hard and worried about things. So does this one, except he only works hard for and worries about himself. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13639 "2017-11-16T22:57:58Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > So does this one, except he only works hard for and worries about himself. Seriously, I get tired just keeping up with Trump news, and I’m not Trump. It really must be exhausting to be him. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13640 "2017-11-17T00:33:34Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s a hard job on healthy, middle-aged men. It can’t be easy for a pampered, fast-food eating, senior citizen. let’s not forget morbidly obese and never exercises ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13641 "2017-11-17T01:33:59Z")
Trump stumbles a few times as he walked with other leaders to the group photo at the APEC Summit in Danang. He could’ve been tired, or not used to walking very far … or maybe it was those bone spurs. BTW - why didn’t he visit the Great Wall? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13642 "2017-11-17T02:02:39Z")
He thought he did. Xi just couldn’t bring himself to tell him that was just the wall around the Forbidden City. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13643 "2017-11-17T02:17:41Z")
> [@soonerblue](#): > > Trump stumbles a few times as he walked with other leaders to the group photo at the APEC Summit in Danang. He could’ve been tired, or not used to walking very far … or maybe it was those bone spurs. > … So Thump stumbles and no one cares? When Hillary stumbled it was a Freaking Federal Case. Oh, I forgot: It’s okay when Republicans do it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13644 "2017-11-17T02:59:13Z")
“House passes GOP tax bill, upping pressure on struggling Senate effort” > **[House passes GOP tax bill, upping pressure on struggling Senate effort](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/house-poised-to-pass-its-tax-bill-as-senate-plan-suffers-setbacks/2017/11/16/62d92fa4-cad7-11e7-8321-481fd63f174d_story.html)** > > President Trump visited the Capitol shortly before the early-afternoon vote and spoke to House Republicans behind closed doors. > [@](#): > > …Trump thanked party leaders, expressed optimism about the Senate bill and said he believed that Congress ought to move to “welfare reform” after completing the tax bill, according to several members in the room who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private meeting. … Welfare reform? Huh? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=681) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=683)