# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 690
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13785 "2017-11-26T16:54:07Z")
Judicial Watch, a virulently right-wing organization, fudged Trump’s travel/security numbers?! NEVER! ETA: Also, don’t forget that Trump overwhelmingly golfs at clubs he owns, or stays at Trump Tower, not counting actual official travel. He’s making more money every time he goes on vacation. That smells unethical to me, but Trumpies may disagree. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13786 "2017-11-26T17:13:08Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Judicial Watch, a virulently right-wing organization, fudged Trump’s travel/security numbers?! NEVER! > > ETA: Also, don’t forget that Trump overwhelmingly golfs at clubs he owns, or stays at Trump Tower, not counting actual official travel. He’s making more money every time he goes on vacation. That smells unethical to me, but Trumpies may disagree. Yah. I’m thinking that personally profiting from one’s office is a Bad Thing, legally, and certainly a High Crime in itself. Of course, he’s been doing that from day one, with nary a peep… ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13787 "2017-11-26T17:15:08Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Yeah, The same source([Judicial Watch](https://www.judicialwatch.org/)) that estimated Obama’s costs suddenly decided that Trump has far fewer costs for the same travel. > > The first cite I gave uses the numbers Judicial Watch used for Obama to estimate Trump’s costs. Yeah, I looked at the Judicial Watch site and it seems to have a strong anti-liberal bias. I’d like to see something with a comparison from an unbiased source. However, if you extrapolate Trump’s 7.5 million over 8 years, it comes out to 90 million, which is pretty close to Obama’s numbers. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13788 "2017-11-26T17:22:36Z")
Even if they end up spending the same amount, my point was that Republicans sure were bent out of shape with Obama’s golfing, and haven’t had jack fucking shit to say about Trump’s golfing. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13789 "2017-11-26T17:23:12Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > Yeah, I looked at the Judicial Watch site and it seems to have a strong anti-liberal bias. I’d like to see something with a comparison from an unbiased source. However, if you extrapolate Trump’s 7.5 million over 8 years, it comes out to 90 million, which is pretty close to Obama’s numbers. The 7.5 million is only the cost of operating AF1. No other attendant costs such as Secret Service agents, extra vehicles, extra aircraft to carry those vehicles (and Marine One) lodging for all personnel, pre-trip security at the destination. There’s a crapload of costs beyond flying AF1. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13790 "2017-11-26T17:36:07Z")
Not to mention that a ton of that money goes toward paying for Trump to sleep in his own hotels. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13791 "2017-11-26T17:38:59Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The 7.5 million is only the cost of operating AF1. No other attendant costs such as Secret Service agents, extra vehicles, extra aircraft to carry those vehicles (and Marine One) lodging for all personnel, pre-trip security at the destination. There’s a crapload of costs beyond flying AF1. It would be just like JW to only count the costs of his literal “travel”. Not a lie, but certainly not the whole truth. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13792 "2017-11-26T17:57:57Z")
**Trump:** Who are ya gonna believe? Me? Or your lying ears?’ [President Trump Now Says That Wasn’t Him on _Access Hollywood_ Tape](http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/trump-now-says-that-wasnt-him-on-access-hollywood-tape.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fvulture+%28Vulture+-+nymag.com%27s+Entertainment+and+Culture+Blog%29). > [@](#): > > But something deeper has been consuming Mr. Trump. He sees the calls for Mr. Moore to step aside as a version of the response to the now-famous “Access Hollywood” tape, in which he boasted about grabbing women’s genitalia, and the flood of groping accusations against him that followed soon after. He suggested to a senator earlier this year that it was not authentic, and repeated that claim to an adviser more recently. (In the hours after it was revealed in October 2016, Mr. Trump acknowledged that the voice was his, and he apologized.) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13793 "2017-11-26T18:19:15Z")
I can only assume that the admission and apology were also faked. Seems like something he might’ve thought to address at the time, but I guess our president is a busy man. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13794 "2017-11-26T18:22:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > **Trump:** Who are ya gonna believe? Me? Or your lying ears?’ > > [President Trump Now Says That Wasn’t Him on _Access Hollywood_ Tape](http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/trump-now-says-that-wasnt-him-on-access-hollywood-tape.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fvulture+%28Vulture+-+nymag.com%27s+Entertainment+and+Culture+Blog%29). To Trump supporters, whatever he says is true at the moment he says it. Even if it’s 180 degrees different from what he said five seconds ago. Obviously, Hillary and Obama conspired to fake those Access Hollywood tapes. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13795 "2017-11-26T18:23:24Z")
You know how when unemployment was at 5% under Obama and Trump said that the true number was really 45%; but then in Trump’s first month in office he took credit for the newly recalculated true 5% unemployment? Same deal. When it was Obama on the golf course, he was just being shiftless and lazy; when Trump is on the golf course he’s making deals and winning. So, really, it’s apples and orange when you get right down to it. - brought to you by Right Wing Mentality [sup]TM[/sup] ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13796 "2017-11-26T18:26:30Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > **Trump:** Who are ya gonna believe? Me? Or your lying ears?’ > > [President Trump Now Says That Wasn’t Him on _Access Hollywood_ Tape](http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/trump-now-says-that-wasnt-him-on-access-hollywood-tape.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fvulture+%28Vulture+-+nymag.com%27s+Entertainment+and+Culture+Blog%29). Maybe it’s either John Miller or John Barron. They kinda sound alike so it’s uncertain which one it is. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13797 "2017-11-26T19:16:38Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The 7.5 million is only the cost of operating AF1. No other attendant costs such as Secret Service agents, extra vehicles, extra aircraft to carry those vehicles (and Marine One) lodging for all personnel, pre-trip security at the destination. There’s a crapload of costs beyond flying AF1. Yup. I wonder just how many aircraft are involved in transporting all of the support. What do they put the presidential limos in? C-130’s would be my guess. Online info seems incomplete (no surprise). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13798 "2017-11-26T21:20:19Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > What are you? 11? No, vampire. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13799 "2017-11-26T21:27:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Maybe it’s either John Miller or John Barron. They kinda sound alike so it’s uncertain which one it is. It’s obviously Alec Baldwin, silly. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13800 "2017-11-26T22:04:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > **Trump:** Who are ya gonna believe? Me? Or your lying ears?’ > > [President Trump Now Says That Wasn’t Him on _Access Hollywood_ Tape](http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/trump-now-says-that-wasnt-him-on-access-hollywood-tape.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fvulture+%28Vulture+-+nymag.com%27s+Entertainment+and+Culture+Blog%29). > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I can only assume that the admission and apology were also faked. Seems like something he might’ve thought to address at the time, but I guess our president is a busy man. Not only that, but clearly Trump should be compensating Billy Bush. The poor guy was railroaded over a tape made by evil Democrats! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13801 "2017-11-26T22:35:37Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > You…you didn’t REALLY just confess to being Hitler, did you? :eek: Hitler was actually [n](http://sobadsogood.com/2013/07/22/25-rarely-seen-artworks-painted-by-adolf-hitler/)ot a “lousy” painter. Not great, interesting or particularly good, but certainly competent. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13802 "2017-11-26T22:41:49Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Hitler was actually [n](http://sobadsogood.com/2013/07/22/25-rarely-seen-artworks-painted-by-adolf-hitler/)ot a “lousy” painter. Not great, interesting or particularly good, but certainly competent. He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! TWO COATS! ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13803 "2017-11-26T22:44:38Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Hitler was actually [n](http://sobadsogood.com/2013/07/22/25-rarely-seen-artworks-painted-by-adolf-hitler/)ot a “lousy” painter. Not great, interesting or particularly good, but certainly competent. I’ve always thought that if I had a time machine, I’d go back, find Hitler and… teach him to paint. Hey, if he had a steady gig painting Bavarian landscapes… (and he’d be happier, too). ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/13804 "2017-11-26T23:31:33Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yup. I wonder just how many aircraft are involved in transporting all of the support. > > What do they put the presidential limos in? C-130’s would be my guess. Online info seems incomplete (no surprise). Really? I found it in about 5 seconds: > **[The U.S. President travels aboard Air Force One. How do the cars used by him...](https://www.quora.com/The-U-S-President-travels-aboard-Air-Force-One-How-do-the-cars-used-by-him-and-the-Secret-Service-travel)** > > Answer (1 of 20): The transport is not always a C17 due to logistics and numerous reasons. There are several sets of all the vehicles pre-positioned in various parts of the world. In some cases overseas, an event can be more than 30 vehicles. ... It’s a [C17 Globemaster III](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCiKqr2_JIb0FFBqCh9Q8d5lPfkvCpq-bYpsGeare3XgPwqLE1). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=689) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=691)