# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 713
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14245 "2017-12-12T19:01:13Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Well it is Alabama. The phonebook has 3 last names in it, and they are blurred. > Even the marriage ceremony has additional options. Do you take this sister/aunt/cousin to be your lawful wife? What’s the definition of “virgin” in Alabama? A girl who can outrun her brothers. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14246 "2017-12-12T19:01:57Z")
Not sure where to put this - probably does not warrant a thread on it’s own, so… I have been following poll aggregators that look at Trump’s approval rating. It’s been on a downward trajectory. This week, Real Clear Politics’ aggregation of polls had Trump hit a new low - 37.3 approval, with a 20.4 spread between approve/disapprove. I think that he has more room to drop. To put this in context, Obama’s worst day in 8 years according to RCP was Dec 4, 2013, with an approval of 40.1, spread of 15.2. I think Trump has the potential to beat GW Bush’s record from Oct 16, 2008, with an approval of 24.6 and a spread of 44.7. He’s going to do something to piss off his base. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14247 "2017-12-12T19:03:10Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > As we’ve seen in the past, there’s absolutely nothing stopping them from getting (or advocating their wife/girlfriend/mistress get) an abortion, even while crying MURDER! at the top of their lungs. Their reasons for abortion are totally legitimate - it’s those other people that shouldn’t be allowed to have one. AKA, the only moral abortion is MY abortion. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14248 "2017-12-12T19:19:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > AKA, the only moral abortion is MY abortion. This is why, before I judge another’s actions, I always consider, “But for the grace.” It is easy to dismiss someone else’s problems and struggles when you know that you will never confront them, but that’s just it, you don’t know that you will never confront such difficult decisions in your life. It is always easy to justify your own actions, you know what led up to them, and you now that you didn’t do anything wrong. When you see another taking an action that you disapprove of, you have to consider whether you disapprove of the action, or the events that you are imagining leading up to the action. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14249 "2017-12-12T19:22:11Z")
Trump tried to slut-shame Senator Kirsten Gillibrand in Twitter today. “Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump. Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!” > Trump is making a deal with Saudi Arabia for uranium enriching. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/trump-is-said-to-consider-easing-nuclear-rules-for-saudi-project](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-12/trump-is-said-to-consider-easing-nuclear-rules-for-saudi-project) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14250 "2017-12-12T19:42:06Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It is always easy to justify your own actions, you know what led up to them, and you now that you didn’t do anything wrong. When you see another taking an action that you disapprove of, you have to consider whether you disapprove of the action, or the events that you are imagining leading up to the action. This is an excellent point. My mother provides an excellent example of this in action: When my first husband was alive, he was on SSDI (disability from Social Security). My mother one day was complaining about people who are on disability, with a fairly strong implication that they were a bunch of fakers. I pointed out that Steve was on disability and she said “Oh, not HIM.” But he looked fine sometimes. He wasn’t in a wheelchair. I’m sure there were people who thought he was faking and it was their own spouse or sibling or aunt that was the one exception. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14251 "2017-12-12T19:45:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump tried to slut-shame Senator Kirsten Gillibrand in Twitter today. > “Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump. **Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED**!” > [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/940567812053053441) Bolding mine. The fuck is that supposed to mean? And why would fighting against trump be disloyal to the Clintons. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14252 "2017-12-12T19:46:53Z")
You’re seriously asking why a Trump tweet doesn’t make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14253 "2017-12-12T20:13:35Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Bolding mine. The fuck is that supposed to mean? And why would fighting against trump be disloyal to the Clintons. It kind of makes sense when you understand that [the Clintons were instrumental in helping Gillibrand’s political career](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/17/why-kirsten-gillibrands-bold-statement-that-bill-clinton-shouldve-resigned-is-a-big-deal/?utm_term=.1d075b6ef641). But yes, garbled as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14254 "2017-12-12T20:29:27Z")
I think he means taking political donations from him meant she was being disloyal to The Clintons. I can see his logic. It is seriously flawed, but I can see it. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14255 "2017-12-12T20:33:25Z")
is “-USED” some sort of twitter speak? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14256 "2017-12-12T20:41:07Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > is “-USED” some sort of twitter speak? Is that like pwnd? ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14257 "2017-12-12T20:41:08Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Abortion has been discussed quite frequently as the ‘single issue’ that many Republican voters use to justify their support for morally bankrupt and incompetent politicians like Trump and Moore. Many conservatives will just never vote for a pro-choice candidate, no matter what. Never mind foreign policy, or climate change, or education, or any number of other issues that some of these voters may take more moderate stances on. They will always pick the pro-life candidate over the pro-choice one. > > Although, it will be interesting to see how tightly they cling to that conviction when the Republicans inevitably come after their Social Security and Medicare. You know, these single issue anti-abortion voters wouldn’t bother me so much if they actually gave a fuck about what happened to these precious fetuses after they’re born. But they don’t care. It’s like once a baby is born, “well, we got you this far – now you’re on your own!” ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14258 "2017-12-12T20:43:27Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > I think he means taking political donations from him meant she was being disloyal to The Clintons. > > I can see his logic. It is seriously flawed, but I can see it. It also shows, as if we didn’t already know this by this point, his warped priorities. Loyalty \> integrity. ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14259 "2017-12-12T20:50:09Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > is “-USED” some sort of twitter speak? Bannon sends him a text message of what he should tweet and Trump has to mark it as “Used” so he doesn’t send it again. That’s how he got mixed up and sent the wrong tweet about the church shooting in TX. In this case he forgot to remove the “Used” before sending out to the masses. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14260 "2017-12-12T21:03:40Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > You know, these single issue anti-abortion voters wouldn’t bother me so much if they actually gave a fuck about what happened to these precious fetuses after they’re born. But they don’t care. It’s like once a baby is born, “well, we got you this far – now you’re on your own!” Yup. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Exactly. Once those babies are born, the heck with them. Evidence: let CHIP expire. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14261 "2017-12-12T21:08:50Z")
Trump’s lawyer wants a special counsel to investigate the special counsel. > **[Trump’s lawyer calls for a special counsel investigation of alleged...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/12/12/trumps-lawyer-calls-for-a-special-counsel-investigation-of-alleged-corruption-at-fbi-and-justice-department/?utm_term=.299ee3a32729)** > > Jay Sekulow, a member of the legal team counseling President Trump on special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's wide-ranging Russia probe, said Tuesday that a second special counsel should be appointed. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14262 "2017-12-12T22:00:20Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Bannon sends him a text message of what he should tweet and Trump has to mark it as “Used” so he doesn’t send it again. That’s how he got mixed up and sent the wrong tweet about the church shooting in TX. > > In this case he forgot to remove the “Used” before sending out to the masses. Seriously? I mean nothing really surprises me with this administration. So it’s kind of hard to pick out sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14263 "2017-12-12T22:02:12Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > You know, these single issue anti-abortion voters wouldn’t bother me so much if they actually gave a fuck about what happened to these precious fetuses after they’re born. But they don’t care. It’s like once a baby is born, “well, we got you this far – now you’re on your own!” “Yeah, make some bootstraps out of your umbilical cord – _and then pull yourself UP by them!_” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14264 "2017-12-12T22:05:25Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > is “-USED” some sort of twitter speak? I think it’s an unintelligible shorthand meaning that the Clintons were used by Gillibrand in her quest to rise within the Democratic Party. The Clintons did mentor Gillibrand to her seat in the Senate. Then she said that Bill Clinton should have resigned his presidency after the Lewinsky affair/impeachment. Trump made his comments about disloyalty to the Clintons and seems to be implying that Gillibrand USED them. He’s just losing his shit worse every day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=712) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=714)