# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 719
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14365 "2017-12-16T17:46:28Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > When you start name-calling, you’ve got to be ready to take your lumps. > > You’re about to find out. I hope this means you’re going to put mikecurtis on your ignore list, and not that you won’t be posting to this board. Reading a ThelmaLou post is often the high point of the time I spend here. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14366 "2017-12-16T17:47:13Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > Arent y’all the same people who were losing there shit over Republicans who were willing to overlook the flaws of their candidate to ensure that a Democrat didn’t get that Senate seat? > \ What an astoundingly stupid observation. Hillary Clinton was an imperfect, but basically normal, candidate running against an abysmally awful candidate (and awful person). Roy Moore was an abysmally awful candidate (and awful person) running against a completely fine candidate. Did a nice long browse through the dictionary clear things up for you? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14367 "2017-12-16T17:48:25Z")
Voting for Clinton even if you don’t think she’s perfect is the same as voting for a pedophile that hates the constitution. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14368 "2017-12-16T18:05:57Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > I hope this means you’re going to put mikecurtis on your ignore list, and not that you won’t be posting to this board. Reading a ThelmaLou post is often the high point of the time I spend here. Awww…thank you. 🙂 Never fear. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14369 "2017-12-16T18:12:03Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Voting for Clinton even if you don’t think she’s perfect is the same as voting for a pedophile that hates the constitution. Got it. Except being a so-called ‘Liberal’ (which she isn’t) is, in your mind, worse than committing statutory rape and being a serial sexual predator. Nothing Clinton did, or allegedly did, is as bad as that. Also, as pointed out earlier, we elect politicians whom we think will do the most good for the most people and the country. Loser Donnie and Moore are actively doing harm to the country. Maybe Clinton would have caused some harm, but not nearly as much as the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14370 "2017-12-16T18:12:34Z")
Mernieth, taking the position that the candidate is fully and wholly responsible for gathering support from the populace, lacks a certain understanding of the more subtle aspects of _participatory_ Democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14371 "2017-12-16T18:42:37Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > What an astoundingly stupid observation. Hillary Clinton was an imperfect, but basically normal, candidate running against an abysmally awful candidate (and awful person). Roy Moore was an abysmally awful candidate (and awful person) running against a completely fine candidate. > > Did a nice long browse through the dictionary clear things up for you? Only if he smashed his forehead repeatedly with it. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14372 "2017-12-16T19:04:15Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN VOTER OWES THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THE VOTE THAT WILL UNAMBIGUOUSLY PREVENT THE WORST POSSIBLE CANDIDATE FROM WINNING THE PRESIDENCY. > > If that results in them giving their votes to a less-than-perfect Hillary who “didn’t do enough to _earn_” them, that’s just too fucking bad. They’ll get over that a lot quicker than the country will get over a POTUS who hates America enough to put her on the path to becoming a third-world client state of USSR 2.0. qft ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14373 "2017-12-16T20:38:30Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > .what would I ever have done without you? I dunno… starve when your impoverished red state can’t get any more transfer payments from prosperous blue states? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14374 "2017-12-16T21:37:13Z")
> [@a poster](#): > > … Yes, in fact, the candidates do have to earn votes. It’s appalling to me that this is a controversial statement. This reveals a basic failure to understand the American Presidential election system in existence in November 2016: it was a binary choice between Trump getting the Presidency and Trump being shown the door. The responsibility of every US voter was to decide which of those outcomes was most desirable. If you want to sit back on a throne and demand that candidates ‘earn your vote,’ the time to do that is in the primaries. It is NOT the time to do that when the choice is “Trump gains power” or “Trump does not gain power.” The ‘sitting in regal pomp while candidates woo you’ vision of voting, is pure narcissism. It abrogates the responsibility every thinking person bears: to use their vote as an instrument to achieve the best outcome possible in the circumstances. In November 2016, the circumstances were “Trump versus not-Trump.” > [@a poster](#): > > It’s the Democratic candidate’s fault for not winning enough votes. … Again: this is a self-centered, narcissistic view of what a US Presidential election entails in the early 21st century. Vote to achieve an outcome. Don’t sit around expecting to be wooed, and pouting if the wooing isn’t to your liking. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14375 "2017-12-16T21:48:43Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Again: this is a self-centered, narcissistic view of what a US Presidential election entails in the early 21st century. > > Vote to achieve an outcome. Don’t sit around expecting to be wooed, and pouting if the wooing isn’t to your liking. Agreed. There is no perfect candidate. Ever. I mean, I understand it, but I understand it like I understand why an immature child might break a favorite toy rather than be forced to share. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14376 "2017-12-16T21:53:45Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Agreed. There is no perfect candidate. Ever. > I mean, I understand it, but I understand it like I understand why an immature child might break a favorite toy rather than be forced to share. ^ A disturbingly resonant analogy. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14377 "2017-12-16T22:23:51Z")
Don’t vote for a candidate as a reward for how they woo you. Vote for a candidate because you think they will be better in the job. It’s not personal. When you make it personal, you’re treating a vote like a Scooby Snack. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14378 "2017-12-16T22:29:07Z")
…possibly we could get back to the Trump administration? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14379 "2017-12-16T23:44:47Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > You are horribly wrong here. A politician’s job is not winning elections, it’s taking care of the country and the people. What use is a politician who just aims winning elections, like trump who started planning his re-election campaign even before his inauguration day. > > Like somebody here said election victory is not the finish line, it’s the starting point. The JOB comes after the victory, not before it. But a JOB means there is WORK. Trump never did work, he always had people to do it for him. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14380 "2017-12-16T23:55:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno… starve when your impoverished red state can’t get any more transfer payments from prosperous blue states? Nice. The blue states pay into the system. The red states just suck it up like leeches. These guys love to talk as if they are self sufficient “sons of pioneers” or “people of the land” types, and completely ignore the fact that their bullshit is subsidized by the blue states they hate so much. Also, much of the reason their infrastructure has gone to shit is because they don’t want to pay the city or county or state taxes that it takes to get things done - and because “big gubmint”. How about this… NO subsidies for ANYONE. We’ve heard the talk, now let’s walk the walk. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14381 "2017-12-17T00:37:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I don’t even know how to label this. “If we don’t talk about it, it doesn’t exist, and we don’t have to spend any money on it”? Someone help me out (it’s been a long day). > [Source](https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBGNo02?m=en-us) I’m seriously considering starting a fundraiser: Thesauri for Scientists. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14382 "2017-12-17T01:06:09Z")
Did you know that the Thesaurus lives alongside Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden? It’s science! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14383 "2017-12-17T03:10:18Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > I’m seriously considering starting a fundraiser: Thesauri for Scientists. [Some think that Thesauri died out millions of years ago.](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/86rdKc74kb9oUq3e_0odNWe-wQimPBSmskHvXYRs7_KTDLe5iHB6EaD36hHZTtmpBFvO_SlUbfyD9cEORX6lKKQLerLUV0IIIFBDBtM3iHsjMOavElN4T9hE7gz3bxPgLO4a=w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2017, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/14384 "2017-12-17T05:04:43Z")
> [@mikecurtis](#): > > As an average American. . . welcome to the club you astoundingly ignorant asshole! > > mc Speak for yourself - you fucking moron. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=718) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=720)