# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1421 "2017-02-17T20:49:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Trump administration considers mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants.](https://twitter.com/AP/status/832608704855937024) Fake news again. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1422 "2017-02-17T20:53:30Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Fake news again. Proof that it’s fake news? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1423 "2017-02-17T20:55:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > how Obama personally opened a portal to hell, releasing the demon spawn. By that time, it will be illegal to refer to Emperor Trump the First that way. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1424 "2017-02-17T21:00:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Proof that it’s fake news? That term now means “news I don’t want to look at” ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1425 "2017-02-17T21:01:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Proof that it’s fake news? Here is the [actual memo](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3467508-Trump-National-Guard-Draft-Memo.html) Please point out the portion that shows that “Trump administration considers mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants.” ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1426 "2017-02-17T21:02:15Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Fake news again. The leaks are real but the news is fake? [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3467508-Trump-National-Guard-Draft-Memo.html](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3467508-Trump-National-Guard-Draft-Memo.html) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1427 "2017-02-17T21:02:37Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Fake news again. [Sorta](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-admin-considers-using-100000-national-guard-troops-for-immigration-raids/). You know, the Administration might have somewhat less trouble with exaggerated claims if they started responding to media requests for clarification **before** publication: > [@](#): > > The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana. > > White House press secretary Sean Spicer, however, called the AP report “100 percent not true.” […] > > To an Associated Press reporter, Spicer said, “I wish you guys had asked before you tweeted.” > > The AP reporter noted that the outlet asked multiple times before publication, according to pool reports of the exchange. […] > > The report referenced by the AP, according to the department [DHS], was a very early pre-decisional draft that never made it to DHS Secretary John Kelly’s desk and was never seriously considered by the agency. Of course, despite Spicer’s hypocritical complaint, the Administration isn’t actually going to start responding to media requests for information and clarification prior to publishing. What they want is to stonewall news organizations in the hopes that they **will** publish erroneous claims, which the Administration can then use to discredit the media as “fake news”. Due to the Administration’s own absolutely abysmal credibility levels, though, this tactic doesn’t seem to be working reliably on anyone except Trump supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1428 "2017-02-17T21:02:56Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Here is the [actual memo](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3467508-Trump-National-Guard-Draft-Memo.html) > > Please point out the portion that shows that “Trump administration considers mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants.” Did you even read paragraph D? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1429 "2017-02-17T21:06:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Trump administration considers mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants.](https://twitter.com/AP/status/832608704855937024) Even though this may not really happen, there certainly IS such a memo (despite the cries of “fake news” from the usual sad little muppets) [The reporting is quite clear and factual:](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-politics/trump-weighs-mobilizing-national-guard-to-round-up-immigrants/article34065944/) > [@](#): > > The memo is addressed to the then-acting heads of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection. It would serve as guidance to implement the wide-ranging executive order on immigration and border security that President Donald Trump signed Jan. 25. Such memos are routinely issued to supplement executive orders. The memo absolutely does exist, and the memo is being reproduced absolutely faithfully by the media. It is a fact. Nothing about this memo is “fake”. It is a real thing. It exists. Now, it may be that Trump \*will not \* mobilize 100,000 national guard to round up and deport people. This may not \*actually \*happen. But those fucking idiots out there who are bleating “fake news” are completely and utterly full of shit, and they know it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1430 "2017-02-17T21:19:51Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Here is the [actual memo](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3467508-Trump-National-Guard-Draft-Memo.html) > > Please point out the portion that shows that “Trump administration considers mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants.” Section D considers using the National Guard as a supplemental force. Since California alone has roughly 23,000 service members, it’s not unreasonable for 100,000 to be available from the 11 target states. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1431 "2017-02-17T21:20:53Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Fake news again. If one reads the original reports, what was leaked was a document that basically amounted to “hey, here’s a thing we could theoretically do.” That’s not fake news, it’s quite probably true. Government people write “plans” all the time that are just trial balloons and what-ifs. It’s perfectly believable that _someone_ in the administration considered this. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1432 "2017-02-17T22:38:10Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > According to a Jake Tapper Tweet: “A friend of Harward’s says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a ‘shit sandwich.’” He was right. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1433 "2017-02-17T22:42:00Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > According to a Jake Tapper Tweet: “A friend of Harward’s says he was reluctant to take NSA job bc the WH seems so chaotic; says Harward called the offer a ‘shit sandwich.’” And the best part of it is, Trump had already been bragging how he “appointed” a smart guy, a genius. Appointed, as in he decides and that’s it. Like a king or something. I guess this smart guy really was smart. A retired Admiral, now a senior exec with Lockheed, who just doesn’t need this shit. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1434 "2017-02-17T22:46:50Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Maybe this is the price to pay for getting rid of the Republicans once and for all. If Clinton had won, they’d regroup and maybe grow stronger. I think Trump could very well finish them off. Maybe a few years of this is a small price to pay. I won’t be satisfied until and unless several go to federal prison, for their part in “RussiaGate” and the cover-up. And not flunkies either. I want the “big boys” to go to Leavenworth, not low level fall guys. The Representatives, agency heads (Comey anyone?) and Senators. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1435 "2017-02-17T22:47:52Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Even though this may not really happen, there certainly IS such a memo (despite the cries of “fake news” from the usual sad little muppets) > > [The reporting is quite clear and factual:](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-politics/trump-weighs-mobilizing-national-guard-to-round-up-immigrants/article34065944/) > > The memo absolutely does exist, and the memo is being reproduced absolutely faithfully by the media. > > It is a fact. Nothing about this memo is “fake”. It is a real thing. It exists. > > Now, it may be that Trump \*will not \* mobilize 100,000 national guard to round up and deport people. This may not \*actually \*happen. > > But those fucking idiots out there who are bleating “fake news” are completely and utterly full of shit, and they know it. The memo is REAL. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1436 "2017-02-17T22:48:52Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If one reads the original reports, what was leaked was a document that basically amounted to “hey, here’s a thing we could theoretically do.” That’s not fake news, it’s quite probably true. > > Government people write “plans” all the time that are just trial balloons and what-ifs. It’s perfectly believable that _someone_ in the administration considered this. And it’s also quite possible that the White House leaked it itself, as a trial balloon. Its a win-win: they can gauge the reaction and also rant about the press leaking fake news. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1437 "2017-02-17T22:50:03Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > And the best part of it is, Trump had already been bragging how he “appointed” a smart guy, a genius. Appointed, as in he decides and that’s it. Like a king or something. > > I guess this smart guy really was smart. A retired Admiral, now a senior exec with Lockheed, who just doesn’t need this shit. This guy was Harward. Retired Admiral Harward ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1438 "2017-02-17T23:38:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Did you even read paragraph D? Yes, I did. It refers to the 287(g) program. That’s a 1996 law that allows certain state officials to act as immigration enforcement officers once they’ve received the requisite training and if they work under the supervision of an immigration officer. There is nothing in there about “100,000 National Guard troops”. And there is nothing about “mobilizing” anyone (you do understand that when US Government “mobilizes” National Guard, they are becoming US military, right? And US military cannot be used for law enforcement inside the United States. You realize that, right?) The Nat. Guard, if they are used, would be used voluntarily by local authorities to cooperate with the Federal Government. As in: “To maximize participation by state and local jurisdictions in the enforcement of federal immigration law, I am directing the Director of ICE to engage with all willing and qualified law enforcement jurisdictions for the purpose of entering into agreements under section 287(g)” Yet AP saw that and faked up the “Trump administration considers mobilizing as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants” headline. Fake news by AP. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1439 "2017-02-18T00:07:40Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > And maybe they’ll come to realize that when Trump speaks about 3 million illegal votes, he’s talking out of his ass. And maybe my ass will sprout wings and fly me to **the fucking sherbet kingdom**. Whoa! How much is airfare to the Sherbet Kingdom? And does it share a border with either the Cake Empire or the Pie Republic? Because I think I know where I want to go for my next vacation! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1440 "2017-02-18T00:08:48Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > In future years, GOP voters will “remember” how Obama killed hostages in Iran, how he set up death panels and killed their grandma, and how Obama personally opened a portal to hell, releasing the demon spawn. To be fair, that last one was a pretty awesome day. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=73)