# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 756
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15105 "2018-01-08T20:36:56Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Gorka seriously expected Trump to remember Boehner [from a golf game in August of 2013](https://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/donald-trump-john-boehner-golf-095259)? Well, millions of us remember Boehner, and we never even met him. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15106 "2018-01-08T20:44:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Of all the times Loser Donald has threatened to sue someone for libel, he’s _never_ gone through with it. The publisher is likely aware of that, whereas I’m not sure Donny is aware of what he had for breakfast this morning. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15107 "2018-01-08T21:15:26Z")
Apparently there is a [second dossie](http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/08/politics/bannon-mercers-trump-document-2015/index.html)r outlining Trump’s connections to organized crime. Commissioned by Steve Bannon and paid for by the Mercers. So, left wing conspiracy, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15108 "2018-01-08T21:49:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, millions of us remember Boehner, and we never even met him. Is it because he cried after Trump beat him at golf? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15109 "2018-01-08T22:13:50Z")
> [@](#): > > [In Nashville, President Trump signs executive order on rural broadband internet](http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/08/trump-tout-republican-tax-bills-benefits-farmers-during-nashville-speech/1013389001/) > > The executive order Trump, which he signed at a table on stage, declares the executive branch will “use all viable tools” to accelerate the deployment and adoption of affordable and reliable broadband connectivity in rural America. > > It goes on to say executive departments “should seek to reduce barriers to capital investment, remove obstacles to broadband services, and more efficiently employ government resources.” > > “Those towers are going to up and you’re going to have great, great broadband,” Trump said, flanked by the state’s Tennessee Republican congressional delegation as well as Gov. Bill Haslam. > > The order does not appear to allocate any financial resources to the broadband effort… So, where are they going to find [all those billions of dollars](https://www.agriculture.com/news/technology/rural-internet-to-be-high-priority-for-trump-administration) to pay for it? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15110 "2018-01-08T22:25:16Z")
From Trumps mouth at that Nashville event: > [@](#): > > “Under this new law, the typical family of four earning $75,000 will see an income tax cut of more than $2,000 — slashing their tax bill in half” Is an effective tax rate of 5.3% common for an American family of four? Or is that just the rate Trump is used to pay? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15111 "2018-01-08T22:40:27Z")
> [@naita](#): > > From Trumps mouth at that Nashville event: > > Is an effective tax rate of 5.3% common for an American family of four? Or is that just the rate Trump is used to pay? Also, the median household income in the US is about $59,000, not $75,000 ([Median Income in the US Hits All-Time High](http://www.businessinsider.com/us-census-median-income-2017-9)). ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15112 "2018-01-08T22:48:19Z")
To be fair, he did not say that 75k was the median. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15113 "2018-01-08T22:57:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > - Back in 1964 when Goldwater was given the nod at the Cow Palace, we said “this GOP is not the GOP that elected Ike.” > - In the 1980’s and 90’s when Gingrich and Reagan were the face of the GOP, we said “this is not the GOP that stood up to Goldwater.” > - In 2008, when McCain chose Palin as his running mate, we said McCain is a sensible man who doesn’t hate America. Give him a break — he needs to appeal to the bat-shit insane wing of his Party. > - And now, Sarah Palin is just another laughing-stock on YouTube. _Oh, how we long for those days._ > - In 2012, when Romney chose Paul Ryan as his running mate, we gave Romney the same pass as we gave McCain: He had to select a hateful Ayn Rand fanatic to get votes from the morons and imbeciles in his own Party. > - But Ryan … _ **has become the Speaker of the House!** _ :eek: and the architect of the greatest transfer of wealth from the needy to the already-rich since the Colonization of Africa! > > If _ **the Republican Party** _ hadn’t inherited the mantle of the Party of Abe, Teddy, Ike and, yes, Ronnie, it _ **would be condemned today as a terrorist organization.** _ > > This is why whenever I see comments like the following, I wonder if we’re living in alternate realities. > > 😕 Do you think Pence and Ryan would have chosen more centrist Judges? > And Cabinet appointments like DeVos and Pruitt are precisely who Pence and Ryan would have chosen on their own if they knew they could get away with it — if they understood the depth to which American politics have sunk. Palin and Ryan are worthy of consideration for the Vice Presidency? :smack: With that as the standard, appointments like DeVos or Pruitt now go almost unnoticed. > > _ **Trump’s incompetence is the only thing shielding us, slightly, from rule by the Deplorables.** _ > > “_He’s unfit; He must go_” ? … I’d rather say > _He’s incompetent; that’s why he must stay._ > > Impeachment to give Pence and Ryan even more power? \* Just say No.\* I get your frustration, follow and agree with much of what you have said, especially what a worthless turd Paul Ryan is and how he has been normalized such that even utter incompetents like Pence, DeVos and Pruitt are glossed over as “acceptable.” But I don’t agree with you that Trump’s incompetence is the only thing shielding us from rule by the Deplorables. They’re running things now. Trump is merely an empty suit into which they all pour their special brand of crazy. You can’t think Trump thought of Gorsuch by himself. That’s McConnell and the Mercers all the way. Frankly, it would have been hard to find a more activist judge than Gorsuch who could have survived confirmation. Move our embassy to Jerusalem? Bannon’s big idea. The tax cut for the wealthy? Paul Ryan and Grover Norquist finally had their mutual tax 'gasm. You know all this! No, the only thing leaving Trump in office accomplishes is to put a nutjob’s hands on the nuclear codes, and the USA one irresponsible tweet away from a hot war with… fuck, name whatever country you can think of. Probably Iran. But Mexico isn’t out of the question. (I kid. Sort of.) Trump is far more dangerous to the country while in office than even Pence or Ryan. Sure, Pence wants to turn the clock back to the 1700s, but that’s not what the majority of the people want in this country. Nor does the rift in the Republican party go away just because Trump is gone. You still have the Freedom Caucus fighting with the moderate Republicans and/or the so-called establishment wing of the party. Their civil war doesn’t disappear with or without Trump, and it helps Dems a lot. Will Pence or Ryan sign more EOs than Trump? I doubt it. And they’re easy to undo, once Pence and Ryan are gone. I don’t think Ryan is even going to run again, no matter what he’s saying now. There’s a nice fat job waiting for him at the Heritage Foundation from what I’ve read. A little “thank you” from the Kochs while Ryan plots his slither into the White House in 2028. Hell, he’ll only be 58. I agree with **jayjay** , that Mueller has Pence in his sights as well. I think the evidence shows Pence has lied and lied. The way the timing is unfolding with Mueller’s investigation, the presidential blow-up will coincide with the mid-term elections. That’s going to keep everyone off balance and unable to focus on an “agenda,” no matter who ends up seated in the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15114 "2018-01-08T23:01:32Z")
Pop quiz: Which national leader demanded that a crowd give him a standing ovation, then said that “they must love their families”, or otherwise they wouldn’t have stood? A. Hitler B. Pol Pot C. Donald Trump. Of course, [you have all guessed the answer](https://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/get-up-trump-demands-farmers-give-him-a-standing-ovation-at-nashville-speech/). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15115 "2018-01-09T00:07:48Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > …This is why whenever I see comments like the following, I wonder if we’re living in alternate realities. > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > He’s unfit. He must go. > > 😕 Do you think Pence and Ryan would have chosen more centrist Judges? > And Cabinet appointments like DeVos and Pruitt are precisely who Pence and Ryan would have chosen on their own if they knew they could get away with it — if they understood the depth to which American politics have sunk. Palin and Ryan are worthy of consideration for the Vice Presidency? :smack: With that as the standard, appointments like DeVos or Pruitt now go almost unnoticed. > > _ **Trump’s incompetence is the only thing shielding us, slightly, from rule by the Deplorables.** _ > “_He’s unfit; He must go_” ? … I’d rather say > _He’s incompetent; that’s why he must stay._ > Impeachment to give Pence and Ryan even more power? \* Just say No.\* > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I get your frustration, follow and agree with much of what you have said, especially what a worthless turd Paul Ryan is and how he has been normalized such that even utter incompetents like Pence, DeVos and Pruitt are glossed over as “acceptable.” > > But I don’t agree with you that Trump’s incompetence is the only thing shielding us from rule by the Deplorables. They’re running things now. Trump is merely an empty suit into which they all pour their special brand of crazy. > > You can’t think Trump thought of Gorsuch by himself. … > > No, the only thing leaving Trump in office accomplishes is to put a nutjob’s hands on the nuclear codes, … > > I agree with **jayjay** , that Mueller has Pence in his sights as well. I think the evidence shows Pence has lied and lied. The way the timing is unfolding with Mueller’s investigation, the presidential blow-up will coincide with the mid-term elections. That’s going to keep everyone off balance and unable to focus on an “agenda,” no matter who ends up seated in the Oval Office. ^All this. septimus, I agree with Aspenglow that the frustration you expressed is understandable. But I don’t agree that keeping Trump in place is the best option. His incompetence is overshadowed and neutralized as a protective factor (so to speak), by his popularity with ‘the base’-----_ **popularity that neither Pence nor Ryan possess** _. If either Pence or Ryan gained the presidency due to a removal of Trump, there would be a slowing of the destruction of democratic norms, simply because their actions would be more closely scrutinized. Neither Pence and Ryan can boast the Trump-base halo effect that keeps congressional Republicans terrified of being primaried. Congressional Republicans would therefore be more willing to decline to approve judicial nominees, etc. Despite the fact that Pence and Ryan are indeed likely to take actions (nomination of judges; executive actions; Cabinet department shenanigans) that are just as destructive to the USA as anything Trump has done, they might meet with more opposition simply because standing up to them will be less costly (with regard to reelection). Trump’s incompetence shields us from exactly nothing. Ryan and perhaps Pence may well be more personally-competent individuals. But competence is much less important than is popularity, when it comes to the Presidency. Trump has millions of rabid fans. Neither Pence nor Ryan can make that boast. And Trump, as Aspenglow also pointed out, is an unstable, insecure man possessed of the nuclear codes. That is not a negligible point. Saying “he is unfit and he should go” is in no conceivable way a claim that a Pence or Ryan presidency would be ‘a good thing’. Neither would be a good thing for the nation or the world–they’d just be less bad than what we have now. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15116 "2018-01-09T00:13:30Z")
Well, this was from a couple of days ago, but to answer the questions about McDonald’s: > [@](#): > > Trump’s preferred burger is a Quarter Pounder with cheese, we also find he enjoys it with the rather youthful preferences of extra ketchup and no pickles. > > It turns out that the White House kitchen was asked to replicate both the burger and an apple pie. Politico’s Annie Karni writes that staff attempts “couldn’t match the satisfaction” of the McDonald’s originals — perhaps because White House chefs work with higher-grade ingredients. > > Those failures mean that Schiller (who was a relatively senior White House figure) dispatched himself to a McDonald’s on New York Avenue and 13th Street NW to pick up a meal for Trump. I will admit that I have purchased from that very restaurant as it was on my way home when I worked at the Washington VA. While that was several years ago, I was absolutely convinced that they were just waiting for me to come up with the appropriate code word in order to supply my drugs at the take-out window and were constantly upset that somebody actually was ordering McDonalds’ food. I’m not exactly sure how I got that impression. In any case, we know know who gets the food (or at least who used to), which McDonalds they went to, and why the White House staff doesn’t just make him a burger. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15117 "2018-01-09T00:13:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Sebastian Gorka admits that White House staff was told to cooperate with Michael Wollf. Although he doesn’t say who told him to do so. > [http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/367902-dont-believe-michael-wolffs-book-about-trump-if-you-want-the-truth](http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/367902-dont-believe-michael-wolffs-book-about-trump-if-you-want-the-truth) I wonder if it was Trump himself. “Okay guys, this guy’s gonna write great stuff about me - the best stuff, believe me! Give him all the access he wants.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15118 "2018-01-09T00:23:04Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > This is the first WWF (World Wrestling Federation) presidency. Stephen Miller came out looking very tense and ready to fight. I am surprised he didn’t hit Jake Tapper with a chair. Sometimes it’s clear that certain people are trotted out in front of cameras for the whole purpose of giving Donald Trump some home-made gladiator TV to watch while he munches on his Big Mac at night. Yesterday, Stephen Miller provided one of those occasions. General Kelly provided one a few months ago. Sean Spicer did those appearances before he got turned into Spicey on SNL - King Donald doesn’t like it when his Praetorian Guard gets turned into toy soldiers. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15119 "2018-01-09T00:24:32Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > \ > Saying “he is unfit and he should go” is in no conceivable way a claim that a Pence or Ryan presidency would be ‘a good thing’. Neither would be a good thing for the nation or the world–they’d just be less bad than what we have now. Yep. We have to show that we are willing to follow the rules. And impeach and incarcerate as needed. We just CAN’T turn a blind eye to trump, saying well, the other devils may be worse. His base wants a ‘shake up’ in government. Well, here you go. Your supposed leader is gone. NEXT! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15120 "2018-01-09T00:38:55Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Sebastian Gorka admits that White House staff was told to cooperate with Michael Wollf. Although he doesn’t say who told him to do so. > [http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/367902-dont-believe-michael-wolffs-book-about-trump-if-you-want-the-truth](http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/367902-dont-believe-michael-wolffs-book-about-trump-if-you-want-the-truth) God, that headline…Gorka wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped him in the face with its dick. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15121 "2018-01-09T00:52:59Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Well, this was from a couple of days ago, but to answer the questions about McDonald’s: > > > [@](#): > > > > Trump’s preferred burger is a Quarter Pounder with cheese, we also find he enjoys it with the rather youthful preferences of extra ketchup and no pickles. > > > > It turns out that the White House kitchen was asked to replicate both the burger and an apple pie. Politico’s Annie Karni writes that staff attempts “couldn’t match the satisfaction” of the McDonald’s originals — perhaps because White House chefs work with higher-grade ingredients. > > > > Those failures mean that Schiller (who was a relatively senior White House figure) dispatched himself to a McDonald’s on New York Avenue and 13th Street NW to pick up a meal for Trump. > > I will admit that I have purchased from that very restaurant as it was on my way home when I worked at the Washington VA. While that was several years ago, I was absolutely convinced that they were just waiting for me to come up with the appropriate code word in order to supply my drugs at the take-out window and were constantly upset that somebody actually was ordering McDonalds’ food. I’m not exactly sure how I got that impression. In any case, we know know who gets the food (or at least who used to), which McDonalds they went to, and why the White House staff doesn’t just make him a burger. I’ve got an idea! The Whitehouse could send a chef to Hamburger University and then apply to be a McDonald’s franchise. (To flatter the boss, use real gold for the Arches and drop the ‘Mc’…) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15122 "2018-01-09T01:37:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Sebastian Gorka admits that White House staff was told to cooperate with Michael Wollf. Although he doesn’t say who told him to do so. > [http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/367902-dont-believe-michael-wolffs-book-about-trump-if-you-want-the-truth](http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/367902-dont-believe-michael-wolffs-book-about-trump-if-you-want-the-truth) I like this quote: "So, when I met Michael Wolff in Reince Priebus’ office, where he was waiting to talk to Steve Bannon, and after I had been told to also speak to him for his book, my attitude was polite but firm: “Thanks but no thanks.” " Good job of: 1. Confirming the access Wolff had 2. Throwing Reince/Bannon under the bus 3. Confirming that you were “told to speak to him for his book” 4. Showing you don’t follow orders ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15123 "2018-01-09T01:44:09Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > I’ve got an idea! The Whitehouse could send a chef to Hamburger University and then apply to be a McDonald’s franchise. > > (To flatter the boss, use real gold for the Arches and drop the ‘Mc’…) Very good! And really, extra ketchup? No pickles?!? What, he thinks he’s ordering from Burger King? I bet the White House chefs could make a passible duplicate of a Mc’D’s 1/4 pounder. Probably refuse to do so. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15124 "2018-01-09T01:50:29Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Very good! And really, extra ketchup? No pickles?!? What, he thinks he’s ordering from Burger King? > > I bet the White House chefs could make a passible duplicate of a Mc’D’s 1/4 pounder. Probably refuse to do so. They would never touch meat of such low quality. Much like Melania. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=755) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=757)