# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 765
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15285 "2018-01-12T04:58:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Then he should have written it that way. He did. [Section 4](https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/United_States_of_America_1992) > [@](#): > > Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the\*\* President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office\*\*, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President. > > Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that **the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,** the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15286 "2018-01-12T05:09:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > He also wants to make it illegal to knowingly print false things. Why? Does he figure he’s not committing enough crimes already? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15287 "2018-01-12T05:11:50Z")
I have that book _Fire and Fury_. People are passing it around on the Web, and a Thai friend of the wife’s in Thailand sent it to us to download. I still don’t know if I’ll get around to reading it, as I hardly think it can tell me much new. As for “shithole” countries, I’ll repeat my post from another thread: I can only hope France is included in the shithole category. This pretty much seals it. It is now official. Trump is a bad person. Anyone – ANYONE – still defending Trump is a bad person. Anyone who voted for Trump is a bad person. And really, good people do not join the Republican Party. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15288 "2018-01-12T05:13:29Z")
I have that book _Fire and Fury_. People are passing it around on the Web, and a Thai friend of the wife’s in Thailand sent it to us to download. I still don’t know if I’ll get around to reading it, as I hardly think it can tell me much new. As for “shithole” countries, I’ll repeat my post from another thread: I can only hope France is included in the shithole category. This pretty much seals it. It is now official. Trump is a bad person. Anyone – ANYONE – still defending Trump is a bad person. Anyone who voted for Trump is a bad person. And really, good people do not join the Republican Party. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15289 "2018-01-12T05:17:39Z")
Republican Congresswoman Mia Love, of Utah, is Haitian-American. Her response: “The (President’s) comments are unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation’s values,” Love said in a statement Thursday night. “The President must apologize to both the American people and the nations he so wantonly maligned.” [http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/mia-love-response-trump-shithole/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/mia-love-response-trump-shithole/index.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15290 "2018-01-12T05:19:42Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > As for “shithole” countries, I’ll repeat my post from another thread: > > I can only hope France is included in the shithole category. Trump said the shithole countries are in Africa. So it’s a 50/50 chance he thinks that includes France. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15291 "2018-01-12T05:41:28Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Republican Congresswoman Mia Love, of Utah, is Haitian-American. Her response: “The (President’s) comments are unkind, divisive, elitist, and fly in the face of our nation’s values,” Love said in a statement Thursday night. “The President must apologize to both the American people and the nations he so wantonly maligned.” > [http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/mia-love-response-trump-shithole/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/mia-love-response-trump-shithole/index.html)? One of Trump’s defenders on TV tonight actually said that Trump is a learning president. Because this morning he tweeted something bad and then two hours later he, or more likely someone on his staff, corrected that. (How having someone else correct his mistakes is him learning, I don’t get.) Then he went on to say that because Trump is learning we may get an apology tomorrow. Everyone be very careful tomorrow - Hell could freeze over and pigs may fly! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15292 "2018-01-12T05:42:41Z")
As Eugene V. Debs is my witness, first I heard about “shitholes”, I thought well, they finally went and done it. They _did_ make stuff up to make him look bad…worse…whatever. Tomorrow, they’ll all be squawking like meth-addled parrots about slander and libel. But no. Mouth agape, I stare. Shit or go bowling?..I wonder. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15293 "2018-01-12T05:56:01Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > …and pigs may fly! Umbrellas here, $60 each! Got the stainless steel model here, $500!, guaranteed for up to ten pounds of pig flop falling from five hundred feet! 'Course, any higher than a hundred feet makes no difference, its not falling any harder or faster from five hundred feet than two hundred. The cloth variety is cheaper, but no easier to clean, and not suitable for mayhem. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15294 "2018-01-12T06:12:56Z")
I still remember that some conservatives on the board twisted like pretzels to declare that the early statement of Trump about **some** Mexicans being good people was a good line. The effort of polishing the turd of today by the Trump supporters is more pathetic when one remembers that that reprehensible Mexican quote was spinned to have Trump to “actually” say that most good Mexicans had come to America. What Trump just demonstrated is that **no immigrant** from those nations (and one bets that Mexico is also in his shit list) is a good person. (Yes, this time Trump forgot his weasel line). Remember: the context is about allowing some exceptions, those exceptions are indeed related to immigrants that followed rules, started families, started businesses. Indeed, the very people that are “the good” people that America should encourage to come or to stay. Human beings that also had the misfortune of being born in bad areas of the world. But no, Trump and henchmen will not allow the good to come here or to stay. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15295 "2018-01-12T06:22:14Z")
Trump has announced (via Twitter) that he is canceling his proposed trip to London because, Obama. “Reason I canceled my trip to London is that I am not a big fan of the Obama Administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in London for “peanuts,” only to build a new one in an off location for 1.2 billion dollars. Bad deal. Wanted me to cut ribbon-NO!” > ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15296 "2018-01-12T07:16:34Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump has announced (via Twitter) that he is canceling his proposed trip to London because, Obama. > “Reason I canceled my trip to London is that I am not a big fan of the Obama Administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in London for “peanuts,” only to build a new one in an off location for 1.2 billion dollars. Bad deal. Wanted me to cut ribbon-NO!” > [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951679619341737986) So is it to punish Obama or punish the British? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15297 "2018-01-12T07:36:42Z")
‘Punish’? ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15298 "2018-01-12T07:40:26Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > So is it to punish Obama or punish the British? Neither. The embassy move was decided by the Bush administration, and the British would obviously prefer not have the shithole there anyway. It was to protect his delicate ego from what was anticipated to be the biggest demonstration in British history if he set one stubby-toed foot on UK soil. TLDR: [he’s afraid](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/president-trump-announces-london-trip-canceled-blames-obama-article-1.3752602). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15299 "2018-01-12T08:10:08Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I would not have expected to turn on CNN and be immediately greeted with the word SHITHOLE, but we live in interesting times. I interrupted a phone call with my mother to take a photo of the TV at that moment. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15300 "2018-01-12T08:25:16Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > How much did the Prime Minister of Normay pay for them? 250 bn CODpoints Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15301 "2018-01-12T08:45:29Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Stay classy, Donnie: > > > [@](#): > > > > Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries in Oval Office meeting > > > > President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting. > > > > “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday. > > > > The comments left lawmakers taken aback, according to people familiar with their reactions… On behalf of Norway, we are sorry. We only wanted to make a good impression and it went horribly wrong. We had no idea he was that impressionable. On the other hand, apparently we get a free upgrade to the planes we bought. The Prime Ministers comment after meeting Trump: “He seemed a normal man with a sense of humour” ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15302 "2018-01-12T08:58:04Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday. Donnie is of course unable to comprehend that of the roughly 25 million people in the Nordic countries, the number of who both are able to qualify for a green card, and would really like to emigrate to the US, probably can be counted comfortably on one hand. At least if you don’t count those who move to live with an SO who happened to be from the US. Most people who move to another country do that to improve their quality of life. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15303 "2018-01-12T10:27:44Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Why? Does he figure he’s not committing enough crimes already? Maybe he wants to get rid of the oeuvres of Perrault and the Grimm Brothers? He hated being told to read them, as a child, and they were all a bunch of liberals anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15304 "2018-01-12T10:57:19Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump has announced (via Twitter) that he is canceling his proposed trip to London because, Obama. > “Reason I canceled my trip to London is that I am not a big fan of the Obama Administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in London for “peanuts,” only to build a new one in an off location for 1.2 billion dollars. Bad deal. Wanted me to cut ribbon-NO!” > [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951679619341737986) > [@Crazyhorse](#): > > Neither. The embassy move was decided by the Bush administration, and the British would obviously prefer not have the shithole there anyway. > > It was to protect his delicate ego from what was anticipated to be the biggest demonstration in British history if he set one stubby-toed foot on UK soil. > > TLDR: [he’s afraid](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/president-trump-announces-london-trip-canceled-blames-obama-article-1.3752602). The comparison in that article by a planning official to a move from Manhattan to New Jersey is probably apt - the Grosvenor Square location is some of the hottest real estate in London (despite the listed building status), and Nine Elms/Battersea is south of the river and won’t be as easy to get to. I’ll have to go to the new embassy later this year to get my daughter’s passport renewed so we’ll see how that goes. Also worth noting: > [@](#): > > The new building on the South Bank is a veritable fortress set back at least 100 feet from surrounding buildings. The $1 billion construction overlooking the River Thames, was wholly funded by the sale of other properties in London. However, it’s true that Trump would very likely get a hostile reception in the UK. Apparently he’s also grumpy because it’s rumoured that the Obamas are invited to Harry and Meghan’s wedding and he isn’t (I don’t know if that’s been confirmed - I’m not following the wedding news that closely). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=764) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=766)