# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 789
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15765 "2018-01-20T23:30:21Z")
Trying to make something about himself? What kind of narcissist would do such a thing??? šŸ˜• šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15766 "2018-01-21T00:17:07Z")
One who canā€™t read the Fuck Trump signs! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15767 "2018-01-21T00:18:03Z")
The point is that a nonzero number of people now think thatā€™s true. If he hadnā€™t said anything, that wouldnā€™t have happened. ---
**Author:** ![aktep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@aktep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aktep)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15768 "2018-01-21T00:42:05Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > And to not let the military get paid ā€¦ The Dems had a provision or resolution (whatever you call it), so the military (that the Repubs love so much and beat everyone over the head with so much) would get paid. McConnell and the Repubs shot that down too. Meanwhile expect Trump to keep sabotaging. The Dems have to get in front of this. Right now the message is ā€œDems wonā€™t let us pay troops because they love illegals moreā€. As it is, McConnell can withdraw his objection just in time for the troops to get paid, and the Republicans can say that they saved military pay even though the Dems wonā€™t budge on immigration. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15769 "2018-01-21T00:55:09Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > The Dems have to get in front of this. Right now the message is ā€œDems wonā€™t let us pay troops because they love illegals moreā€. ā€¦ Who on earth would buy an obvious piece of baloney like that? Oh, waitā€¦ > [@Dems - Defend your Senators holding the budget bill hostage](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dems-defend-your-senators-holding-the-budget-bill-hostage/806968/214): > > Elected Democrats have chosen to shut down the U.S. government in order to show their support for ILLEGAL ALIENS. > > The welfare of ILLEGAL ALIENS is more important to them than the welfare of American citizens. > > Vote accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15770 "2018-01-21T01:40:42Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > One who canā€™t read the Fuck Trump signs! šŸ˜ƒ It would be dangerous to take a ā€œFuck Trumpā€ sign to a womenā€™s march. Heā€™d be apt to interpret it in a way in which itā€™s not meant, Iā€™ll clue ya. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15771 "2018-01-21T02:23:44Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Who on earth would buy an obvious piece of baloney like that? Oh, waitā€¦ The problem is, as we all know, the Pubbies control both houses AND the White House. This is their shutdown. Unfortunately, the InfoWars Limbaugh Hannity fanboys will still blame it all on the party that is not in control of ANYthng- just like they are told to. I liked what Tammy Duckworth had to say about ā€œ5 Deferment Cadet Bonespursā€ Trump over all this, as he and that lying scumbag McConnell tried to play the ā€œrespeck da militaryā€ card yet againā€¦ ā€œDoes he even know that there are service members who are in harmā€™s way right now, watching him, looking for their commander in chief to show leadership, rather than [trying] to deflect blame? Or that his own Pentagon says that the short-term funding plans he seems intent on pushing is actually harmful to not just the military, but to our national security? ā€¦ Sadly, this is something that the current occupant of the Oval Office does not seem to care to do ā€” and I will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft dodger.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15772 "2018-01-21T03:59:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by \*\*aktep \*\* > > The Dems have to get in front of this. Right now the message is ā€œDems wonā€™t let us pay troops because they love illegals moreā€. ā€¦ > > Who on earth would buy an obvious piece of baloney like that? Oh, waitā€¦ > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by \*\*doorhinge \*\* > > Elected Democrats have chosen to shut down the U.S. government in order to show their support for ILLEGAL ALIENS. > > > > The welfare of ILLEGAL ALIENS is more important to them than the welfare of American citizens. > > > > Vote accordingly. And then thereā€™s: > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by \*\*Clothahump \*\* > Do you not understand that we need 60 votes to pass the Senate? Are you aware that Republicans only have 54 seats in the Senate? > > This shutdown belongs solely to the Democrats. They would rather stand up for illegal aliens than pay our soldiers. Says volumes about their lack of ethics. Itā€™s like an echo chamber. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15773 "2018-01-21T04:15:10Z")
ā€œIf there is a shutdown, I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States.ā€ ā€“ Donald J. Chump in a 2011 interview. (Left unsaid was thatā€™s only if the President is black.) ā€œOur country needs a good ā€˜shutdownā€™ in September to fix mess!ā€ ā€“ President Donald J. Chump in a 5/2/17 tweet (which is an official White House document). ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15774 "2018-01-21T05:37:41Z")
> [@aktep](#): > > The Dems have to get in front of this. Right now the message is ā€œDems wonā€™t let us pay troops because they love illegals moreā€. As it is, McConnell can withdraw his objection just in time for the troops to get paid, and the Republicans can say that they saved military pay even though the Dems wonā€™t budge on immigration. Yeah, I have a friend who is blaming Schumer and the ā€œrule of 60.ā€ Not that heā€™d listen anyway, but I donā€™t know how to counter that, as I tend to think more about Twitler and his plan for destruction. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15775 "2018-01-21T05:39:01Z")
ā€œHey, Iā€™m just holding Trump to his word. He said that the President is responsible for shutdowns. Now heā€™s the President, so heā€™s responsible by his own words.ā€ ā€œIsnā€™t he supposed to be this master negotiator? How come heā€™s telling other people to do it?ā€ ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15776 "2018-01-21T05:42:55Z")
Question for you Americans (because we just get the Trump Farts downunder, and nothing from the opposition Dems). Is the Democrat Party putting up a good fight over this and other shit that the GOP likes to serve? Or are they just laying low to let Trump and his cronies hang themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15777 "2018-01-21T05:54:01Z")
Theyā€™re putting up a decent fight. A fair number of bills in the Senate have passed by only a 1-2 votes and one or two by 51-50 with the Vice President breaking the tie. And of course, a couple of them famously failed because they couldnā€™t get enough of the 54 Republican Senators on board. Mostly because of infighting between the ā€œburn everything to the groundā€ faction and the more realistic Pile Oā€™ Money faction. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15778 "2018-01-21T06:11:15Z")
Trumpā€™s official website: ā€œDEMOCRATS ā€œCOMPLICITā€ IN ALL MURDERS BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTSā€ [https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/democrats-complicit-in-all-murders-by-illegal-immigrants/](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/democrats-complicit-in-all-murders-by-illegal-immigrants/) ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15779 "2018-01-21T06:22:52Z")
It should be noted though that this shutdown is hardly playing hardball. Both chip and daca are supported by the majority of americans, and letting the latter expire without an equivalent replacement would cause chaos. If the dems were to make significant concessions just to push these through then they done fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15780 "2018-01-21T06:34:52Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Theyā€™re putting up a decent fight. A fair number of bills in the Senate have passed by only a 1-2 votes and one or two by 51-50 with the Vice President breaking the tie. And of course, a couple of them famously failed because they couldnā€™t get enough of the 54 Republican Senators on board. Mostly because of infighting between the ā€œburn everything to the groundā€ faction and the more realistic Pile Oā€™ Money faction. Sorry, I didnā€™t explain myself properly. I meant are the Dems screaming and yelling in the MEDIA about the Trump admin? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15781 "2018-01-21T06:45:34Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Sorry, I didnā€™t explain myself properly. I meant are the Dems screaming and yelling in the MEDIA about the Trump admin? One party is the party of 7-year-olds. The other is the party of adults. Now, I am not saying adults typically do everything right, but at least their feet reach the pedals and they can see over the wheel. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15782 "2018-01-21T06:58:53Z")
When did the Republicans get 54 Senators? Last time I checked they had 51, ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15783 "2018-01-21T07:37:37Z")
The White House voice mail message is blaming the Democrats for the shutdown. > **[Did the White House Change Outgoing Message on Comment Line to Blame Democrats?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-house-comment-line-trump/)** > > The unprecedented finger-pointing takes place amid a government shutdown and looming furloughs. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/15784 "2018-01-21T08:05:07Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Me neither, so I felt compelled to look up some photographic evidence. > > [In this pic from the GOP debate](https://i.imgur.com/hjhyHlp.jpg) heā€™s clearly much shorter than Jeb Bush, who is listed as 6ā€™3" according to Google. > > And in [this pic standing next to Obama](http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/GTY-trumps-obamas-transition-jef-170120_3x2_1600.jpg) heā€™s roughly the same height as Obama (maybe a bit shorter given their hairstyles) and Obama is listed as 6ā€™1". > > So yeah, heā€™s definitely overstating his height by 2-3 inches. The Donald intentionally overstating his height by 2-3 inches is the most Trumpian thing Iā€™ve read all week. And his hands are YUUUGE too! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=788) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=790)