# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 802
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16025 "2018-01-28T21:53:03Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Can’t link to it yet because it was said (on Joy Reid’s MSNBC show) only this morning, but: Lawrence O’Donnell is saying that every time Democrats are asked to agree to a budget that includes money for The Wall, they should reply: ‘No, because Mexico will pay for the wall.’ > > This would force Trump and congressional Republicans to say, _ **for the record** _: ‘Mexico will not be paying for the wall–U.S. taxpayers must pay for it.’ > > It would be good to get all of them on the record, telling taxpayers that they’re on the hook for Trump’s wall. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Might be funny to see Democrats propose legislation for matching funds, i.e. they’ll authorize a dollar for every dollar Mexico donates. It’ll be like a PBS pledge drive. I’d like to see that! Here’s the link to the clip I mentioned yesterday. The relevant comments are a bit past the 8-minute mark of the 12-minute clip: > **[Lawrence O’Donnell: Dems won shutdown showdown](https://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/shutdown-2018-over-daca-democrats-win-on-chip-1147534915637)** > > Democrats battled via the government shutdown over DACA, and in the end won funding for the 9 million children on CHIP. Joy Reid and Lawrence O’Donnell discuss why this was not a ‘cave.’ ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16026 "2018-01-28T22:42:12Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Any US politician that authorizes an American dime to be spent on that wall is a politician that I will vote against at the first opportunity. What if we spend it on other border security stuff, and let him call it a wall. Will that work for you? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16027 "2018-01-28T22:50:28Z")
Hey, short of voting against spineless politicians, I cant stand in the way of anyone that wants to help Trump fulfill campaign promises through lies. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16028 "2018-01-28T23:29:48Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > \I feel the exact opposite. We currently seem to be fighting short term fights that cannot be won and sacrificing long term goals in the process. I don’t think that the democrats lost in the recent government shutdown, but apparently, most of the public does. “Fighting the good fight” may rally the base a bit, (the base that doesn’t bother to turn out in midterm elections), but is not going to win any converts.\ And I feel the exact opposite of you. WE ARE sacrificing long term goals by allowing a criminal moron to remain in the Oval Office. We CANNOT allow this to be the new normal at any cost. It has to be shown that having a criminal as the POTUS will simply NOT be tolerated. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16029 "2018-01-28T23:49:24Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And I feel the exact opposite of you. WE ARE sacrificing long term goals by allowing a criminal moron to remain in the Oval Office. We CANNOT allow this to be the new normal at any cost. It has to be shown that having a criminal as the POTUS will simply NOT be tolerated. We are not allowing. We are doing what can be done through legal and legislative means to remove him from office. I am not sure what else can be done through legal means. What are you suggesting? I’ve found myself in shitty positions before, where there are no good options, only less bad options. This is that sort of situation. You can either go with a shitty option, because the other options are even shittier, or you can simply refuse to accept the situation, which doesn’t do any good. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16030 "2018-01-28T23:52:46Z")
I’ll suggest holding him to his lunatic promises and not enabling him. It’s easy. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16031 "2018-01-28T23:56:24Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > We are not allowing. We are doing what can be done through legal and legislative means to remove him from office. > > … The motherfucker is in office. Hold on to your shorts, I’ve got news: He’s likely to be there 3 more years. The question is: What are you gonna let him get away with while he’s there? Are you going to do it for him, in the name of gullibility? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16032 "2018-01-29T00:04:43Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > What if we spend it on other border security stuff, and let him call it a wall. Will that work for you? We could build a human wall. One person could cover ten feet of length. With the structures that are already there, accounting for four shifts and absenteeism, a Wall-force of around nine million people ought to be sufficient. If we cannot find Americans to do the job … ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16033 "2018-01-29T00:07:56Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > We could build a human wall. One person could cover ten feet of length. With the structures that are already there, accounting for four shifts and absenteeism, a Wall-force of around nine million people ought to be sufficient. If we cannot find Americans to do the job … So this would be the finals in the International Red Rover World Championships? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16034 "2018-01-29T00:32:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > We could build a human wall. One person could cover ten feet of length. With the structures that are already there, accounting for four shifts and absenteeism, a Wall-force of around nine million people ought to be sufficient. If we cannot find Americans to do the job … We could, I guess. Or, you know, we could be fucking sensible and actually get a win on DACA in exchange for committing to money for repairs to and maintenance to existing border structures that have to be maintained anyway, even though I know that hurts your little ideologically pure heart, because winning goddamn political battles are more important to you then almost a million young people who are going to be deported because their parents brought them here when they were five as well as 250,000 Salvadorans and Hatians who have lost Temporary Protected Status. But you know what? The party can make an add showing a little boy and girl who miss their deported mom and then blame that on Trump. I’m sure that would just be devastating. So, hey, win/win, right? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16035 "2018-01-29T00:33:41Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > We are not allowing. We are doing what can be done through legal and legislative means to remove him from office. > > I am not sure what else can be done through legal means. What are you suggesting? > > I’ve found myself in shitty positions before, where there are no good options, only less bad options. > > This is that sort of situation. You can either go with a shitty option, because the other options are even shittier, or you can simply refuse to accept the situation, which doesn’t do any good. What am I suggesting? Back Mueller and the constitution. Do NOT allow him to pass anything that his racist bigoted misogynistic anti-environment followers have. That takes congress. Congress only cares about being reelected. Do not vote for ANY republican until they get the hint. Yes it’s shitty. WE, the people of the USA are his landlord. As a landlord you look over your property and other tenants. We currently have a criminal in the building, and the way to get him out is either impeachment, or the 25th. NO quarter. None at all. If you can’t get rid of your bad tenant by legal means, you sure as shit don’t support anything he does. THEY NEED TO GO. trump has history and history of ‘complying’ with the law. He breaks it and bullies or bribes his way out of it. There is NO indication that this will change. And I don’t care if he is manipulated to do something good. It is only temporary appeasement and a horrible horrible precedent for it just to happen again. NO QUARTER. I don’t care if he gets angles wings and a halo. He needs to be gone. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16036 "2018-01-29T01:33:06Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It is the middle we are going for. And if the middle sees that the democrats are being the adults, that they are the ones who really are calling the shots and getting their policies through, then the moderate voter will gain respect for the party of progressives, and more strongly consider supporting their policies with their vote as well. Are you sure you live in the same country that I do? With the same people? :dubious: How many thoughtful movies were big hits at the box office in the past 6 years? Ya know, movies like _All The President’s Men_ or \*Network/i] or _The Big Chill_? What’s the most popular (and profitable) movie genre right now? Superhero movies. Do you think a population that willingly and enthusiastically supports movies about people in leotards fighting monsters, such that they top all other genres at the box office, is going to make considered, reasoned, informed choices about complex subjects? :dubious: If so, why do you think that? What past evidence points towards your conclusion? Because you wanna know one other piece of evidence that points my way? Donald Fucking Trump is POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16037 "2018-01-29T02:16:25Z")
How do you reckon that the Trump administration will justify nominating a supreme court justice in 2020 after hearing about how there shouldn’t be nominees in an election year? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16038 "2018-01-29T02:21:54Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > How do you reckon that the Trump administration will justify nominating a supreme court justice in 2020 after hearing about how there shouldn’t be nominees in an election year? How does thump deal with any precedents or conventions? He ignores them, does exactly what he wants, and no one stops him. Republicans pretend not to notice. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16039 "2018-01-29T02:25:06Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > How do you reckon that the Trump administration will justify nominating a supreme court justice in 2020 after hearing about how there shouldn’t be nominees in an election year? Much the same way dogs seek out the Tootsie-Rolls in the cat litter box. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16040 "2018-01-29T14:23:44Z")
My plan to guarantee a Democratic sweep in the midterms: congressional Democrats should heap praise on Trump’s immigration plan. Call it “Trump’s Amnesty for Illegals Plan”, or “Trumpnesty” for short, and say they couldn’t have come up with anything better themselves. Democrats and Independents aren’t voting Republican this year anyway, and his base will denounce him as a traitor. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16041 "2018-01-29T14:25:36Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Are you sure you live in the same country that I do? With the same people? > > :dubious: > > How many thoughtful movies were big hits at the box office in the past 6 years? Ya know, movies like _All The President’s Men_ or \*Network/i] or _The Big Chill_? > > What’s the most popular (and profitable) movie genre right now? Superhero movies. Do you think a population that willingly and enthusiastically supports movies about people in leotards fighting monsters, such that they top all other genres at the box office, is going to make considered, reasoned, informed choices about complex subjects? :dubious: If so, why do you think that? What past evidence points towards your conclusion? > > Because you wanna know one other piece of evidence that points my way? Donald Fucking Trump is POTUS. Hey now, some of us thoughtful liberals also happen to like superhero movies. They are mindless escapist fun, for when we’d like to stop worrying about things for a bit. I don’t expect any of them to get an Oscar, but I like them. That doesn’t make me a Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16042 "2018-01-29T14:43:49Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Hey now, some of us thoughtful liberals also happen to like superhero movies. They are mindless escapist fun, for when we’d like to stop worrying about things for a bit. I don’t expect any of them to get an Oscar, but I like them. That doesn’t make me a Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, a lot of those have strong anti-fascist messages. A kid who grows up reading/watching superheroes, rooting for the little guy (like Ant-Man) against the Evil Corporation or Even Eviler Megalomaniac will recognize Even Eviler Evilness in real life. Worked in my case… ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16043 "2018-01-29T14:45:42Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Hey now, some of us thoughtful liberals also happen to like superhero movies. They are mindless escapist fun, for when we’d like to stop worrying about things for a bit. I don’t expect any of them to get an Oscar, but I like them. That doesn’t make me a Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination. Thank you for this totally relevant data point; I appreciate your contributions to this conversation. So when you have the choice to make, do you go for the reasoned, nuanced movie or the blockbuster superhero flick? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16044 "2018-01-29T14:53:52Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Thank you for this totally relevant data point; I appreciate your contributions to this conversation. > > So when you have the choice to make, do you go for the reasoned, nuanced movie or the blockbuster superhero flick? Who the fuck cares? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=801) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=803)