# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 822
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16425 "2018-02-07T03:13:50Z")
[Lots of medals too, and maybe an orange sash](http://jjmccullough.com/content/pic_essays/leaders/contdic/ghaddafi2.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16426 "2018-02-07T03:20:11Z")
Just let him borrow “Sheriff” Clark’s costume. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16427 "2018-02-07T03:52:08Z")
Maybe something [like this](https://i.imgur.com/fhUzV7B.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16428 "2018-02-07T05:46:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And a hat. A ridiculous hat, a hat so stupid you know that the guy wearing it can have you shot for laughing at it. So you don’t. He’s already got something ridiculous on his head. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16429 "2018-02-07T11:00:59Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > [Lots of medals too, and maybe an orange sash](http://jjmccullough.com/content/pic_essays/leaders/contdic/ghaddafi2.jpg). Medals like the Purple Bone Spur, the Twitter Warrior Service Badge, and the Golfing Endurance Award… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16430 "2018-02-07T11:14:39Z")
The worthless bastard has now mandated [bigotry central](https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-apos-launch-controversial-164644512.html). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16431 "2018-02-07T13:12:08Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The worthless bastard has now mandated [bigotry central](https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-apos-launch-controversial-164644512.html). I mean, I know this is just about “no brownies allowed”, but I’m still idly wondering how much more “extreme” US visa grants can really get. Like, an acquaintance of mine was plumb refused entry for a week-long comic-con centric vacation on the grounds that her criminal rap sheet had one (1) item on it, namely breaking a window once when drunk (she hadn’t even \*meant \*to break it - she’d just kicked at the storefront because they’d tossed her out of the bar). If the bar is already that high for tourists, I can only imagine what it must be like to apply for residency… And I can’t fathom what more the administration is \*supposed \*to do to match Trump’s insane standards. Does he plan on hiring Maat to do the heart feather scale thing ? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16432 "2018-02-07T13:22:01Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I mean, I know this is just about “no brownies allowed”, but I’m still idly wondering how much more “extreme” US visa grants can really get. > > Like, an acquaintance of mine was plumb refused entry for a week-long comic-con centric vacation on the grounds that her criminal rap sheet had one (1) item on it, namely breaking a window once when drunk (she hadn’t even \*meant \*to break it - she’d just kicked at the storefront because they’d tossed her out of the bar). If the bar is already that high for tourists, I can only imagine what it must be like to apply for residency… And I can’t fathom what more the administration is \*supposed \*to do to match Trump’s insane standards. Does he plan on hiring Maat to do the heart feather scale thing ? Well, sounds like we dodged a bullet there. No doubt as soon as she arrived she’d have joined MS13 and starting killing high school kids. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16433 "2018-02-07T13:27:37Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I mean, I know this is just about “no brownies allowed”, but I’m still idly wondering how much more “extreme” US visa grants can really get. > > Like, an acquaintance of mine was plumb refused entry for a week-long comic-con centric vacation on the grounds that her criminal rap sheet had one (1) item on it, namely breaking a window once when drunk (she hadn’t even \*meant \*to break it - she’d just kicked at the storefront because they’d tossed her out of the bar). If the bar is already that high for tourists, I can only imagine what it must be like to apply for residency… And I can’t fathom what more the administration is \*supposed \*to do to match Trump’s insane standards. Does he plan on hiring Maat to do the heart feather scale thing ? But it’s working. Not one 911 level attack has happened since trump took office. Not one. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16434 "2018-02-07T13:31:56Z")
Nor did one happen in the Obama administration. However, since Trump is determined to do just the opposite of whatever Obama did, perhaps we can expect one. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16435 "2018-02-07T13:33:24Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > … If the bar is already that high for tourists, I can only imagine what it must be like to apply for residency… And I can’t fathom what more the administration is \*supposed \*to do to match Trump’s insane standards. Does he plan on hiring Maat to do the heart feather scale thing ? Tourists? Central vetting agency for immigrants? How long before the thump admin starts vetting citizens? He can use the [Chinese Social Credit System](https://i.imgur.com/e7frItU.mp4) as a model. > [@](#): > > The Social Credit System is a proposed Chinese government initiative[1][2][3] for developing a national reputation system. It has been reported to be intended to assign a “social credit” rating to every citizen based on government data regarding their economic and social status. … It’s right up his alley: [“China’s ‘Social Credit System’ Will Rate How Valuable You Are as a Human”](https://futurism.com/china-social-credit-system-rate-human-value/) > [@](#): > > The SCS seems relatively simple. Every citizen in China, which now has numbers swelling to well over 1.3 billion, would be given a score that, as a matter of public record, is available for all to see. This citizen score comes from monitoring an individual’s social behavior — from their spending habits and how regularly they pay bills, to their social interactions — and it’ll become the basis of that person’s trustworthiness, which would also be publicly ranked. > > This actually sounds worse than an Orwellian nightmare. > > A citizen’s score affects their eligibility for a number of services, including the kinds of jobs or mortgages they can get, and it also impacts what schools their children qualify for. In this respect, the SCS resembles one of the most chilling episodes from Black Mirror’s third season. Incidentally, the show isn’t really known as a “feel-good” flick. It presents various dystopian views of society, but China’s SCS proves reality is darker than fiction. > … ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16436 "2018-02-07T13:45:16Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Nor did one happen in the Obama administration. However, since Trump is determined to do just the opposite of whatever Obama did, perhaps we can expect one. Not if we keep barring French hooligans who break windows. the trumpanzee is on to something here. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16437 "2018-02-07T13:52:26Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Not if we keep barring French hooligans who break windows. the trumpanzee is on to something here. Yeah, them and their baguettes! Weapons disguised as food–just what you’d expect from people who speak a foreign language! ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16438 "2018-02-07T13:59:14Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Tourists? Central vetting agency for immigrants? How long before the thump admin starts vetting citizens? He can use the [Chinese Social Credit System](https://i.imgur.com/e7frItU.mp4) as a model. That link goes to a very sweet birthday party for a dog. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16439 "2018-02-07T14:02:51Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > That link goes to a very sweet birthday party for a dog. :o Oops! Here’s a good [link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System). ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16440 "2018-02-07T14:03:26Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I don’t understand these people. Billionaires wanting more. > > It is a power struggle I suppose, I’ve never wanted power, so I don’t understand. I do quite well living within the boundaries of human decency. > > They certainly don’t want power to help their fellow man. I doubt we will ever understand what it is that is wrong with them. I suppose that \*\*they believe \*\*that their wealth and power over others defines them as ‘better’. What a sad definition they have of a good person. > > What is crazy, is that trumps supporters believe that these people with ‘power’, these people that only want to stomp on them, desire to give their overlords MORE power. I’ve heard rich people say that wealth is just a way of keeping score after a while, so maybe there is some of that. The Koch brothers do what they do more because of ideology I believe. Their dad had a bad experience with communism, now they want to force America to match their ideal. What sucks is if you listen to a Koch brothers in an interview (I forget which one) he talks endlessly about how the American people don’t like special interests controlling politics, and he is too oblivious to understand that he is describing someone exactly like himself. A wealthy, well connected special interest trying to force his agenda on an unwilling population (even hardcore conservatives, when polled, do not support a libertarian agenda). FWIW, wealthy people aren’t a monolith politically. There are lots of wealthy democrats and liberals. Alan Grayson and Nancy Pelosi are each worth about $30 million. Ned Lamont is worth 250 million. also while 250k+ a year in household income isn’t wealthy (just upper middle class), that demographic was evenly split in who they voted for. > **[How many billionaires support the Democratic vs. Republican parties?](https://www.politifact.com/article/2014/jun/23/do-many-billionaires-support-democratic-party/)** > > Recently, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has been on a crusade against what he believes is undue influence f > [@](#): > > We cross-checked the Open Secrets list of the top 100 individuals donating to outside spending groups in the current election against the Forbes list of the world’s billionaires and found that, as of June 19, there were 22 individuals on the Open Secrets list who were billionaires. Of those 22 billionaires, 13 – or more than half – gave predominantly to liberal groups or groups affiliated with the Democratic Party. The other nine gave predominantly to conservative groups. (A list of billionaires and how much they donated can be found here.) I don’t support plutocracy, and don’t want a country where a handful of billionaires basically write our policy and control our politics. However the democrats have their own billionaires and millionaires (thank god) to negate some of the damage the rich on the GOP side are doing to America. I don’t think the GOP rank and file are motivated by plutocracy. GOP politicians are, but GOP voters are motivated by white nationalism and oversized egos (they think they are the morally superior, authentic backbone of America). ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16441 "2018-02-07T14:09:37Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And a hat. A ridiculous hat, a hat so stupid you know that the guy wearing it can have you shot for laughing at it. So you don’t. [Like this?](https://funnyjunk.com/channel/4chan/Tell+us+a+tale/kteGLxg/70) > [@article on new visa check thing](#): > > The centre will not require any new funding and no new authority will be established, according to CNN. I don’t even know what to say. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16442 "2018-02-07T14:27:45Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > That link goes to a very sweet birthday party for a dog. And they aren’t even running dogs. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16443 "2018-02-07T15:27:12Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > :o > > Oops! Here’s a good [link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System). Who’s a good link? Who’s a good link? You’re a good link! ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/16444 "2018-02-07T15:49:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Nor did one happen in the Obama administration. However, since Trump is determined to do just the opposite of whatever Obama did, perhaps we can expect one. You know he’s got his greasy orange fingers crossed this happens, cuz then he can really get cracking some Moslem skulls. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=821) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=823)