# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 854
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17065 "2018-02-23T16:41:46Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Although now we have something else to loathe Loser Donnie about: coming up with the phenomenally stupid idea of arming teachers. “Maybe we can give them a bonus” – how about paying them a decent salary and not making them pay for their own school supplies? And if an armed security guard was completely ineffectual, what makes you think an armed math teacher is going to morph into Rambo? > > Gag. How about that physics professor, that Dr. Banner guy? Makes about as much sense. You’ll have a bunch of terrified amateurs shooting at each other. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17066 "2018-02-23T17:02:15Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Or maybe not. > > Poll finds just 1/3 approve of Trump’s handling of the Florida shooting. > > - [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-support-for-stricter-gun-laws-rises-divisions-on-arming-teachers/) And sadly, on PBS Newshour yesterday, two nineteen-year-olds were interviewed about the shooting, and spoke out on favour of arming teachers, spewing some specious quibble about children being our most natural resource, to be protected. I felt Judy Woodruff’s pain, who looked, well, I won’t say crestfallen, but you could tell she was let down by them. > [@jsc1953](#): > > And if an armed security guard was completely ineffectual, what makes you think an armed math teacher is going to morph into Rambo? > > Gag. Boom - whole thing - sums it up for me, right there. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17067 "2018-02-23T17:08:59Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > How about that physics professor, that Dr. Banner guy? > > Makes about as much sense. You’ll have a bunch of terrified amateurs shooting at each other. Shop class can teach how to make boobie traps. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17068 "2018-02-23T17:10:52Z")
Even if there are no tragedies, I predict schools will be evacuated and locked down every time Mrs. Grundy misplaces her gun. Then after a half day of lost classwork and frantic police activity, she’ll be like …Whoops, I forgot I took it out of my purse and put it in my desk drawer”. I bet this scenario will happen a lot. And it will get very old very fast. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17069 "2018-02-23T17:24:52Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Even if there are no tragedies, I predict schools will be evacuated and locked down every time Mrs. Grundy misplaces her gun. Then after a half day of lost classwork and frantic police activity, she’ll be like …Whoops, I forgot I took it out of my purse and put it in my desk drawer”. > > I bet this scenario will happen a lot. And it will get very old very fast. Or little brats keeping tabs on where teach keeps the gun, waiting for…who the hell knows _what_ situation for that to escalate to. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17070 "2018-02-23T17:28:09Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Shop class can teach how to make boobie traps. Mmmmmm. Some sheet metal, a few leaf springs, and a welder. Bear traps for everybody! ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17071 "2018-02-23T17:31:00Z")
A semi-serious proposal, based on Trump’s statement that the knowledge that some teachers may be armed would be a deterrent: Every school in America posts a sign that says “Teachers on this campus may be armed.” And that’s it…no actual guns. So there’s a tiny possibility that a shooting may be deterred, at zero risk of mis-use or mishandling of firearms. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17072 "2018-02-23T17:49:07Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Poll finds just 1/3 approve of Trump’s handling of the Florida shooting. Which 1/3rd, I wonder. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17073 "2018-02-23T17:50:48Z")
1. Most of these shooters figure they’ll end up dead at the end of the Big Day, either by way of cop or their own hand. How will knowing there’s people with guns on campus dissuade them from inflicting their terror and mayhem, if even for a few minutes less? 2. How will watching their teacher blow a guy’s brains out be any less traumatic for kids? 3. How do we know a teacher, under the pressure of an active shooter situation, won’t hit the wrong kid? Do we actually trust that a teacher will be a dead-eye with kids running and screaming all around? Are we gonna train snipers to be teachers now? Arming teachers is a stupid overly-simplistic solution to a problem that only appeals to stupid and overly-simple people. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17074 "2018-02-23T17:54:43Z")
1. When the cops show up looking for the shooter, how will they know if the man running down the hall with his Glock out is a teacher or a bad guy? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17075 "2018-02-23T17:54:47Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Arming teachers is a stupid overly-simplistic solution to a problem that only appeals to stupid and overly-simple people. Proudly brought to you by the people who specialize in that sort of thing, eh. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17076 "2018-02-23T17:59:18Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > 1. When the cops show up looking for the shooter, how will they know if the man running down the hall with his Glock out is a teacher or a bad guy? That too. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17077 "2018-02-23T17:59:29Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > A semi-serious proposal, based on Trump’s statement that the knowledge that some teachers may be armed would be a deterrent: > > Every school in America posts a sign that says “Teachers on this campus may be armed.” And that’s it…no actual guns. So there’s a tiny possibility that a shooting may be deterred, at zero risk of mis-use or mishandling of firearms. again - the majority of school shooters - mass shooters in general - simply don’t care - they are there to inflict damage and go out in a blaze of glory. While these types of signs may work to deter burglers and people that want to live till the next day - that same ‘logic’ does not apply here. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17078 "2018-02-23T18:00:44Z")
> [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > Now that you mention it: > > [For the weary White House, Florida shooting offered a ‘reprieve’ from scandals](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-the-weary-white-house-florida-shooting-offered-a-reprieve-from-scandals/2018/02/19/04293442-158a-11e8-92c9-376b4fe57ff7_story.html?utm_term=.2cf7feef5a39) > > Yes, it’s so sad that we don’t have mass shootings gruesome enough that they still get national news media coverage often enough to distract from your loathsome and incompetent administration every day. Also it’s sad that you haven’t done the human race a favor and nominated yourself for a Darwin Award, asshole. you know - it could be that the WH staff is just happy to have him, you know, out of the WH. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17079 "2018-02-23T18:42:25Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Which 1/3rd, I wonder. :rolleyes: > [@George Carlin](#): > > Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that … ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17080 "2018-02-23T19:07:19Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > 1. When the cops show up looking for the shooter, how will they know if the man running down the hall with his Glock out is a teacher or a bad guy? How would you like to be a black teacher with a gun in your hand when the cops get there? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17081 "2018-02-23T19:07:45Z")
The seemingly infinite capacity of my own mind to be boggled continues to, well… \*boggle \*my mind. How much longer until my head finally just explodes? > [@](#): > > [NATIONAL HARBOR, Md.](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/375261-crowd-chants-lock-her-up-at-trumps-cpac-speech)—Republican activists in the audience at President Trump’s speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference on Friday broke out into a “lock her up” chant, reviving the 2016 GOP presidential campaign chant to imprison Hillary Clinton. > > The chants started after Trump criticized Clinton as “crooked” during a brief aside in his remarks. He seized on the chant to go further on the offensive against his political rival. > > “Everything that’s turning out — now, it’s amazing. It’s come full circle. Wow, have they committed a lot of atrocities?" Trump said to the crowd, which cheered and yelled encouragement after the “Lock her up” chants subsided. > … They know she lost, right? (Except she really won in actual _votes_, dontcha know.) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17082 "2018-02-23T19:26:44Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > How would you like to be a black teacher with a gun in your hand when the cops get there? The teacher could calmly inform the police that he was licensed to carry the weapon and then comply with their instructions. He’d be fine! ([Killing of Philando Castile - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile)) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17083 "2018-02-23T19:52:27Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > A semi-serious proposal, based on Trump’s statement that the knowledge that some teachers may be armed would be a deterrent: > > Every school in America posts a sign that says “Teachers on this campus may be armed.” And that’s it…no actual guns. So there’s a tiny possibility that a shooting may be deterred, at zero risk of mis-use or mishandling of firearms. Florida’s legislature came up with the bright idea of requiring “In God We Trust” signs on every school campus. That’ll solve the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17084 "2018-02-23T19:53:28Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > 1. Most of these shooters figure they’ll end up dead at the end of the Big Day, either by way of cop or their own hand. How will knowing there’s people with guns on campus dissuade them from inflicting their terror and mayhem, if even for a few minutes less? > > 2. How will watching their teacher blow a guy’s brains out be any less traumatic for kids? > > 3. How do we know a teacher, under the pressure of an active shooter situation, won’t hit the wrong kid? Do we actually trust that a teacher will be a dead-eye with kids running and screaming all around? Are we gonna train snipers to be teachers now? > > Arming teachers is a stupid overly-simplistic solution to a problem that only appeals to stupid and overly-simple people. How do we know the cops won’t come in, see a Good Guy With a Gun and blow them away without asking questions? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=853) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=855)