# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 858
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17145 "2018-02-26T20:23:31Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > We could turn every school into a fortress with armed guards patrolling every square foot. So then what? The next demented shithead with an AR-15 shoots up a school bus, or the McDonalds where all the kids hang out, or the local mall. And banning flash suppressors and pistol grips helps this situation… how? > [@](#): > > Watching stupid people try to solve problems is disheartening. Illegal drugs? I know, let’s declare war on them. Illegal immigration? Hey, let’s build a gigantic fucking wall. Maniac shoots people? I know, let’s ban guns! I’m guessing you didn’t realize that all your examples of stupid ideas are very similar to the notion that banning guns (or scary looking guns) will solve the problem of deranged homicidal maniacs existing in a free society. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17146 "2018-02-26T20:29:06Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m guessing you didn’t realize that all your examples of stupid ideas are very similar to the notion that banning guns (or scary looking guns) will solve the problem of deranged homicidal maniacs existing in a free society. Look, we all know you’re a fucktard; we get it. You don’t have to constantly post to show us that you don’t understand things. I mean, it’s great that you’re making an effort to communicate and all, especially with your condition, but you should really leave anything more complex than “I like crayons” or “I want milk” to others. Or maybe you’re just a lying weasel, deliberately mis-stating people’s arguments because you’re a douchebag. ETA: Oh wait, I remember now: you’re a lying douchebag fucktard. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17147 "2018-02-26T20:34:19Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I can picture a future Veteran’s Day parade: > > “Which service were you with, sir?” > “Education. Math Battalion.” “Very good, you were trained with weapons of math instruction.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17148 "2018-02-26T20:37:54Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’m guessing you didn’t realize that all your examples of stupid ideas are very similar to the notion that banning guns (or scary looking guns) will solve the problem of deranged homicidal maniacs existing in a free society. Damn. You really don’t get that it’s about _saving lives_, do you? Or you \*do \*know, but your superficial, supercilious, and enjoyably consequence-free team-cheerleading for a party in another country forces you into simple lying to avoid facing what they really stand for. Now try again, with all the human empathy you can simulate. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17149 "2018-02-26T20:40:13Z")
Donald Trump: "I really believe I’d run in [to the school] even if I didn’t have a weapon.” > **[Trump: I Would Have Run Into the School Unarmed](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-i-would-have-run-into-the-school-unarmed)** > > “I really believe I’d run in there even if I didn’t have a weapon.” How brave of him, what with those bone spurs and all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17150 "2018-02-26T21:16:09Z")
I wonder if his entourage would clap for him the way it did when he managed to haul himself up into a truck on the third try. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17151 "2018-02-26T21:20:05Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Donald Trump: "I really believe I’d run in [to the school] even if I didn’t have a weapon.” > [Trump: I Would Have Run Into the School Unarmed](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-i-would-have-run-into-the-school-unarmed) > > How brave of him, what with those bone spurs and all. Wait, [this](https://media.giphy.com/media/ZLpVNgQHN2d4Q/giphy.gif) is the guy who’d run into a school shooting? ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Time\_Hockey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9adbd/32.png) [@Old\_Time\_Hockey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Old_Time_Hockey)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17152 "2018-02-26T21:21:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And banning flash suppressors and pistol grips helps this situation… how? > > Maniac shoots people? I know, let’s ban guns! > > I’m guessing you didn’t realize that all your examples of stupid ideas are very similar to the notion that banning guns (or scary looking guns) will solve the problem of deranged homicidal maniacs existing in a free society. Nothing more pathetic than a Canadian trump apologist. Fucktard definitely applies. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17153 "2018-02-26T21:22:36Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Wait, [this](https://media.giphy.com/media/ZLpVNgQHN2d4Q/giphy.gif) is the guy who’d run into a school shooting? Apples and oranges! The school shooter wasn’t armed with an eagle! This is just the kind of bullshit I expect from libtards! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17154 "2018-02-26T21:25:40Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And banning flash suppressors and pistol grips helps this situation… how? Hey, if you want to quibble over the pros and cons of the old Assault Weapons Ban, fair enough. The other option, though, would be to stop being a dick about the definitions of “assault weapon” versus “assault rifle” or showing off that you know what a flash suppressor is, and acknowledging: 1. That what people want is fewer goddamn guns around and fewer gun deaths, not specifically that weapons with flash suppressors be banned, and 2. That if you know about guns, maybe you could provide some constructive ideas. Long story short: People are sick of gun nut bullshit and the nonsense that more guns will reduce gun fatalities. If you want to provide ideas, post some. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17155 "2018-02-26T21:29:15Z")
[Sam, the more guns per capita, the more gun deaths per capita.](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts) Between countries with a very high human development index score, the rate of gun ownership is directly correlated to gun death rate. Between USA states, the rate of gun ownership is directly correlated to gun death rate. Quite simply, gun control works. As far as the USA being a free society goes, [you are not a full democracy, and you are not even in the top twenty democracies. You are a flawed democracy.](http://pages.eiu.com/rs/753-RIQ-438/images/Democracy_Index_2017.pdf) Your constitutional right to gun ownership has not saved your country from falling from what once was a full democracy, and notably all of the countries that have bettered the USA in the democracy index have tight gun control. Even worse, [you have the highest incarceration rate of in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate), other than Seychelles, and you incarceration rate is far higher than any nation with a very high human development index score. So opposing serious gun control akin to other nations with very high human development index scores by chanting the mantra of freedom is nothing more than flag waving. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17156 "2018-02-26T21:52:32Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > We could turn every school into a fortress with armed guards patrolling every square foot. So then what? The next demented shithead with an AR-15 shoots up a school bus, or the McDonalds where all the kids hang out, or the local mall. > > Watching stupid people try to solve problems is disheartening. Illegal drugs? I know, let’s declare war on them. Illegal immigration? Hey, let’s build a gigantic fucking wall. Shit Gibbon is, no doubt, extremely proud of his arming the teachers “solution.” He’s just that dumb. _Very_ well salid. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17157 "2018-02-26T22:10:39Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Cadet Bone Spurs [calls](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/23/trump-calls-parkland-deputy-who-failed-stop-school-shooting-coward/366520002/) the deputy at Parkland school a “coward”. He is saying if he had been there, he’d have gone all “Rambo” on the shooter. Remember this is Cadet Bone Spurs. The same coward who hid behind 5 phony deferments for supposed Bone Spurs. This is the guy who was terrorizd by a mosquito This is the guy who cowered in fear from an UNARMED person. This is the guy who ran from an injured person, later saying “I’m not good for medical. In other words, if you cut your finger and there’s blood pouring out, I’m gone,”. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17158 "2018-02-26T22:25:42Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > [Sam, the more guns per capita, the more gun deaths per capita.](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts) […] > > As far as the USA being a free society goes, [you are not a full democracy, and you are not even in the top twenty democracies. You are a flawed democracy.](http://pages.eiu.com/rs/753-RIQ-438/images/Democracy_Index_2017.pdf) Your constitutional right to gun ownership has not saved your country from falling from what once was a full democracy, and notably all of the countries that have bettered the USA in the democracy index have tight gun control. > > Even worse, [you have the highest incarceration rate of in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate), other than Seychelles, and you incarceration rate is far higher than any nation with a very high human development index score. > > So opposing serious gun control akin to other nations with very high human development index scores by chanting the mantra of freedom is nothing more than flag waving. ? I don’t get the “you” pronouns addressed to **Sam**? Has **Sam Stone** actually immigrated from (I believe) Alberta to the US while I wasn’t noticing? If so, good; it’s about time **Sam** sacked up and put his money where his mouth is, instead of constantly exhorting Americans to support harebrained right-wing policies that he himself will never actually have to live with the consequences of. (Also, give the devil his due and all, he’s reasonably smart for a right-winger so his relocation would be raising the average IQ of both countries, as the New Zealand prime minister remarked about Kiwis moving to Australia.) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17159 "2018-02-26T22:33:02Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > ? I don’t get the “you” pronouns addressed to **Sam**? Has **Sam Stone** actually immigrated from (I believe) Alberta to the US while I wasn’t noticing? **Muffin** is also Canadian. My reading is that he was addressing the first part of his post to Sam, and the second to Americans. Hence the “you” in the second part of the post. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17160 "2018-02-26T23:19:05Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > _Very_ well salid. Said, not salid. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17161 "2018-02-27T00:04:23Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > **Muffin** is also Canadian. My reading is that he was addressing the first part of his post to Sam, and the second to Americans. Hence the “you” in the second part of the post. Yup. Vague pronoun references on my part. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17162 "2018-02-27T00:20:38Z")
Well, dang, I guess thump doesn’t have the Supremes in his pocket like he thought he did. Hehe. [Supreme Court rejects Trump over ‘Dreamers’ immigrants](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-immigration/supreme-court-rejects-trump-over-dreamers-immigrants-idUSKCN1GA1UO) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday dealt a setback to President Donald Trump, requiring his administration to maintain protections he has sought to end for hundreds of thousands of immigrants brought illegally into the United States as children. > > The justices refused to hear the administration’s appeal of a federal judge’s Jan. 9 nationwide injunction that halted Trump’s move to rescind a program that benefits immigrants known as “Dreamers” implemented in 2012 by his Democratic predecessor, Barack Obama. > … Not only that, but… > [@](#): > > In a brief order, the Supreme Court justices said the appeal was “denied without prejudice,” indicating they will maintain an open mind on the underlying legal issue still being considered by the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The justices also said they expect the lower court to “proceed expeditiously to decide this case.” > > Trump, meeting with governors at the White House, took a swipe at the appeals court, which has ruled against him in other key cases, as well as the broader American judiciary. > > “Nothing’s as bad as the 9th Circuit,” Trump said. > > “It’s really sad when every single case filed against us is in the 9th Circuit. We lose, we lose, we lose and then we do fine in the Supreme Court,” Trump added. “But what does that tell you about our court system? It’s a very, very sad thing.” > … Yeah. Sad. :dubious: Everybody is against him. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17163 "2018-02-27T00:32:39Z")
My understandng of that is twofold: 1. Trump gets it stuffed back in his face by the courts AGAIN 2. Courts say to Trump: You dumbfucks jumped over the 9th circuit to get here, REJECTED, go back and follow the proper chain. This is not to say that The Supremes won’t rule in Douchenozzle’s favor eventually, just not now. IANAL ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17164 "2018-02-27T00:38:14Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > My understandng of that is twofold: > > 1. Trump gets it stuffed back in his face by the courts AGAIN > 2. Courts say to Trump: You dumbfucks jumped over the 9th circuit to get here, REJECTED, go back and follow the proper chain. > > This is not to say that The Supremes won’t rule in Douchenozzle’s favor eventually, just not now. > IANAL True. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=857) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=859)