# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 898
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17945 "2018-03-15T17:01:05Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > Maybe not, literally. But it was well known, by his own admission, that he’s a philanderer and an adulterer. I think everybody knows that and just doesn’t care (the Evangelical types anyway), since he’s, I guess, turned to God recently, or something? A lurid video would rub their noses in it, and peel off a significant cohort who can no longer ignore what their eyes are telling them. Not all of them, or even most; but significant nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17946 "2018-03-15T17:03:27Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Do women think that way too? Especially about adultery that he committed just after his son was born? He committed adultery against his other two wives. If that didn’t make a difference, why would this? I consider this a draw on Trump’s part, and a “win” on Melania’s part. I am sensing a shift in sympathy towards her by the press already. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17947 "2018-03-15T17:05:37Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > But the alleged sex video(s), at least if we’re talking about Daniels, would be of consensual sex. I’m talking about what the Russians have. The pee tape. Consensual golden showers would cross the line for many evangelicals. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17948 "2018-03-15T17:06:11Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Do you not even read your own fucking bible? > > Now fuck off, you little troll so we can get back to bashing the all important Trump. God does not belong here. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17949 "2018-03-15T17:07:08Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’m talking about what the Russians have. The pee tape. Consensual golden showers would cross the line for many evangelicals. I honestly don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17950 "2018-03-15T17:09:32Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’m talking about what the Russians have. The pee tape. Consensual golden showers would cross the line for many evangelicals. I doubt it. After all, they still supported Roy Moore the child molester. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17951 "2018-03-15T17:11:05Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I doubt it. After all, they still supported Roy Moore the child molester. That’s because they didn’t believe the children. Had there been videos of any molestations, OTOH… ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17952 "2018-03-15T17:13:29Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’m talking about what the Russians have. The pee tape. Consensual golden showers would cross the line for many evangelicals. Dude, evangelicas consume as much or more porn than anybody else. I hardly think they’ll need fainting couches. They’ve seen far more titillating stuff in real HD. The “line crossing” would be Trump blowing a guy. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17953 "2018-03-15T17:21:35Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Lol. CNN guy needs to read Dotard’s Twitter feed: > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/944666448185692166?s=19) > > “FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!” Trump is an idiot, but nothing in your post contradicts anything i wrote. While McCabe has been under scrutiny for some time, and stepped down from his duties at the start of the year, the FBI recommendation to terminate him only made it to Jeff Sessions recently. The recommendation comes from the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility, and Sessions now has to decide whether “to either accept or reverse that decision,” according to the [New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/andrew-mccabe-fbi-firing-recommendation-justice-department.html). In fact, rather than being the impetus for McCabe’s termination, Trump’s bloviating about the case could end up saving him. If Trump had kept his mouth shut, and just allowed the usual processes to run their course, then McCabe could maybe have been fired without too much controversy. It’s not completely clear what the full reasons are for the FBI’s recommendation, because its report has not been released, but apparently they concluded that he was “not forthcoming” during “an internal review that includes an examination of his decision in 2016 to allow F.B.I. officials to speak with reporters about an investigation into the Clinton Foundation.” The Times notes that, “when agents are found to have shown a lack of candor under oath, they are commonly fired.” As the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-disciplinary-office-recommends-firing-former-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe/2018/03/14/c1d0dc1a-208a-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.a23812daafc9) notes, this has all become a big political story: > [@](#): > > The situation now seems fraught for all involved. If the Justice Department does not move on the recommendation, conservatives might view officials there as unfairly protecting McCabe. Trump — who already has a strained relationship with Justice Department leaders — might be particularly displeased. > > But if the FBI fires McCabe with just days to go before his retirement, it could be viewed as bending to the will of a vindictive president. So, depending on how the political winds blow, and how the pressures build, Trump’s big mouth could help to save the very guy he wants fired. If that happened, it would be a perfect reflection of his presidency. > [@SteveG1](#): > > I really don’t give a good god damn what spin they put on it now. Trump wanted to “get” him for not firing Meuller all along. Now he is pushing for a firing ( **but no balls to do it himself** ), THREE DAYS before McCabe’s official retirement date, out of pure spite. > > I suspect Sessions is dragging his own feet on purpose, to let McCabe collect his pension. Emphasis mine. Actually, Trump couldn’t fire McCabe even if he wanted to. As the _New York Times_ article i linked above points out: > [@](#): > > Mr. McCabe is a career agent, not a political appointee, so Mr. Trump has no direct say in his fate. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17954 "2018-03-15T17:28:15Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > That’s because they didn’t believe the children. Had there been videos of any molestations, OTOH… Would it have made any difference? I somehow don’t think so. They’d find SOME way to wave it away. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17955 "2018-03-15T17:29:18Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > … > Actually, Trump couldn’t fire McCabe even if he wanted to. As the _New York Times_ article i linked above points out: All I can say then, is GOOD! ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17956 "2018-03-15T17:35:06Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I don’t think he’ll lose supporters over mere adultery. The Deplorables probably consider it a point in his favor, because he’s such an alpha male or whatever. Video of him getting spanked (especially if it involves him begging to be spanked) _would_ hurt him, though, precisely because it’s such “unmanly” beta-male if not omega-male behavior by Derplorable standards. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17957 "2018-03-15T17:39:46Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > A lurid video would rub their noses in it, and peel off a significant cohort who can no longer ignore what their eyes are telling them. Not all of them, or even most; but significant nonetheless. I don’t know that it would. They know what he is and don’t care. I’ve already read one (maybe more) of them (the evangelical leaders) saying that God can do good through imperfect people (like King David!). President Trump, they say, is a failed human like all of us, but he’s doing the will of God by putting the rights of the unborn at the forefront, putting the well-being of Christians here and abroad above Islam and atheists, and doing everything he can to stamp out godless communism/socialism. Basically, he’s doing everything they want, the fact he’s a loathsome person doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17958 "2018-03-15T17:44:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I honestly don’t think his voters would care if he had gay hooker sex. Because emails, or something. > > On the other hand, people \*might \*begin to be bothered if the Russian control of an American President was established. Some might, but others may find they have an allergy to neurotoxins. > [@scr4](#): > > Do women think that way too? Especially about adultery that he committed just after his son was born? The ones that voted for him in 2016, you mean? I am sure that all the ones who would be turned off of him for his affairs have already lodged their complaints at the voting booth. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17959 "2018-03-15T17:50:12Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’m talking about what the Russians have. The pee tape. Consensual golden showers would cross the line for many evangelicals. Trump would say it was fake, and they would believe him. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17960 "2018-03-15T18:18:38Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Trump would say it was fake, and they would believe him. This. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17961 "2018-03-15T18:20:38Z")
You don’t have to convince them all, just the sane-but-fooled ones who can accept that they were lied to. Some you can’t reach and shouldn’t waste time trying. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17962 "2018-03-15T18:30:30Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I don’t know that it would. They know what he is and don’t care. I’ve already read one (maybe more) of them (the evangelical leaders) saying that God can do good through imperfect people (like King David!). President Trump, they say, is a failed human like all of us, but he’s doing the will of God by putting the rights of the unborn at the forefront, putting the well-being of Christians here and abroad above Islam and atheists, and doing everything he can to stamp out godless communism/socialism. Basically, he’s doing everything they want, the fact he’s a loathsome person doesn’t matter. It was probably this despicable waste of DNA: [First Baptist Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress: Evangelicals don't care if Trump had sex with porn star](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/donald-trump-1/2018/03/13/first-baptist-dallas-pastor-robert-jeffress-evangelicals-dont-care-trump-sex-porn-star) > [@](#): > > “Evangelicals still believe in the commandment: Thou shalt not have sex with a porn star,” he said. “However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him.” > > Evangelicals were aware “they weren’t voting for an altar boy,” he continued. “We supported him because of his policies and his strong leadership.” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17963 "2018-03-15T18:46:58Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > President Trump, they say, is a failed human like all of us, but he’s doing the will of God by putting the rights of the unborn at the forefront, putting the well-being of Christians here and abroad above Islam and atheists, and doing everything he can to stamp out godless communism/socialism. Basically, he’s doing everything they want, the fact he’s a loathsome person doesn’t matter. They made a pretty bad bargain then. Trump has done nothing substantial on any of those issues. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17964 "2018-03-15T18:56:49Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Trump would say it was fake, and they would believe him. Sure, some of them would. But there are some people who would finally wake up to who Trump really is if they actually saw it with their own eyes. Trump can’t afford to lose any followers. He came in second place to Hillary Clinton in 2016. He’s going to need every person who voted for him in 2016 to vote for him again in 2020 for him to even have a chance at getting re-elected. That’s already going to be an uphill battle. In 2016 Trump got away with making all kinds of promises. In 2020 he’s going to have to make excuses for why he’s failed to fulfill any of those promises. He’s going to have to explain why he should get four more years as President when his current term has been such a mess. Ten or twenty million Kool-Aid drinkers aren’t going to be enough. Trump’s going to have to convince another forty or fifty million people whose votes are in play to give him another chance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=897) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=899)