# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 899
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17965 "2018-03-15T19:10:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > They made a pretty bad bargain then. Trump has done nothing substantial on any of those issues. In the past 8 years: gay marriage became legal, LGBTQ rights rose to the forefront, race has become a national dialogue, as has pay equity and gun control. Even religion itself is under attack. Keep in mind, America is the stagnant backwater when it comes to these issues when compared to the rest of the first world. They will not beat back the tide but I think they’re just glad to get a bit of respite before they are drowned by the next progressive wave. Trump is the flotsam they cling to while they take their last gasping breaths. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17966 "2018-03-15T19:18:01Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > In the past 8 years: gay marriage became legal, LGBTQ rights rose to the forefront, race has become a national dialogue, as has pay equity and gun control. Even religion itself is under attack. Keep in mind, America is the stagnant backwater when it comes to these issues when compared to the rest of the first world. > > They will not beat back the tide but I think they’re just glad to get a bit of respite before they are drowned by the next progressive wave. Trump is the flotsam they cling to while they take their last gasping breaths. I don’t really have anything to add to this. I just wanted to quote it because it’s the first thing I’ve read in months that’s given me any hope at all - a perspective I hadn’t considered before - and I hope like hell you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17967 "2018-03-15T19:21:08Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Would it have made any difference? I somehow don’t think so. They’d find SOME way to wave it away. > [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > A lurid video would rub their noses in it, and peel off a significant cohort who can no longer ignore what their eyes are telling them. Not all of them, or even most; but significant nonetheless. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17968 "2018-03-15T19:57:07Z")
[ul] [li]Phase 1: Buzzfeed publishes Steele dossier[/li][li]Phase 2: Trump lawyer Michale Cohen sues Buzzfeed for libel[/li][li]Phase 3: [Buzzfeed suggests they will use discovery phase to depose Stormy Daniels about her relationship with Trump](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/14/buzzfeed-stormy-daniels-trump-462261)[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17969 "2018-03-15T20:13:08Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > It was probably this despicable waste of DNA: [First Baptist Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress: Evangelicals don't care if Trump had sex with porn star](https://www.dallasnews.com/news/donald-trump-1/2018/03/13/first-baptist-dallas-pastor-robert-jeffress-evangelicals-dont-care-trump-sex-porn-star) The only unforgivable sins are those made by liberals. Because they hate God and America. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17970 "2018-03-15T20:22:20Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > [ul] > [li]Phase 1: Buzzfeed publishes Steele dossier[/li][li]Phase 2: Trump lawyer Michale Cohen sues Buzzfeed for libel[/li][li]Phase 3: [Buzzfeed suggests they will use discovery phase to depose Stormy Daniels about her relationship with Trump](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/14/buzzfeed-stormy-daniels-trump-462261)[/li][/ul] Oh God, it’s like Christmas! PLEASE let this happen! ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17971 "2018-03-15T20:27:22Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > [ul] > [li]Phase 1: Buzzfeed publishes Steele dossier[/li][li]Phase 2: Trump lawyer Michale Cohen sues Buzzfeed for libel[/li][li]Phase 3: [Buzzfeed suggests they will use discovery phase to depose Stormy Daniels about her relationship with Trump](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/14/buzzfeed-stormy-daniels-trump-462261)[/li][/ul] Trump’s attorneys will insist on attorneys’ eyes only confidentiality for the transcript. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17972 "2018-03-15T20:31:50Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Trump’s attorneys will insist on attorneys’ eyes only confidentiality for the transcript. And since NOTHING leaks out of this soap opera… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17973 "2018-03-15T20:32:49Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Trump’s attorneys will insist on attorneys’ eyes only confidentiality for the transcript. Insist into one hand, crap into the other, and let me know which one fills up first. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17974 "2018-03-15T20:48:55Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Some parts of your post were not appropriate for children > > Other parts were not appropriate for anyone at all. It was just locker room talk. What’s the big deal? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17975 "2018-03-15T21:25:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Sure, some of them would. But there are some people who would finally wake up to who Trump really is if they actually saw it with their own eyes. > > Trump can’t afford to lose any followers. He came in second place to Hillary Clinton in 2016. He’s going to need every person who voted for him in 2016 to vote for him again in 2020 for him to even have a chance at getting re-elected. > > That’s already going to be an uphill battle. In 2016 Trump got away with making all kinds of promises. In 2020 he’s going to have to make excuses for why he’s failed to fulfill any of those promises. He’s going to have to explain why he should get four more years as President when his current term has been such a mess. > > Ten or twenty million Kool-Aid drinkers aren’t going to be enough. Trump’s going to have to convince another forty or fifty million people whose votes are in play to give him another chance. Trump isn’t going to get re-elected. The only reason he scraped by the first time was because of demoralization and apathy of the liberals and moderates, which isn’t going to be repeated should he run for re-election. So the only real question regarding Trump’s fate in the next election is whether he’ll last long enough to see it. Which I think he will. All claims that evidence of _any_ kind could change the minds of his remaining supporters -which includes the politicians who could impeach him- strikes me as charming naivete. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17976 "2018-03-15T21:32:35Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Trump isn’t going to get re-elected. The only reason he scraped by the first time was because of demoralization and apathy of the liberals and moderates, which isn’t going to be repeated should he run for re-election. So the only real question regarding Trump’s fate in the next election is whether he’ll last long enough to see it. > > Which I think he will. All claims that evidence of _any_ kind could change the minds of his remaining supporters -which includes the politicians who could impeach him- strikes me as charming naivete. I think it very likely Trump is impeached; much less likely that he’s convicted. Here’s my crystal ball reading: Democrats chances of re-taking the House are looking quite good indeed. Impeachment proceedings will begin in January. Mueller’s findings will also hit around then, and indictments of everyone Trump knows will follow. The Senate will remain in Republican hands. The impeachment trial will result in an acquittal, but probably just barely. A handful of Republican senators will vote to convict, but it’ll fall short of the 60 votes necessary. The last 2 years of the Trump Administration will be a series of House hearings, and absolutely no legislation being passed. Trump will make a feeble attempt at running for re-election but will see the handwriting on the wall by the time New Hampshire primary rolls around. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17977 "2018-03-15T21:32:53Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Trump isn’t going to get re-elected. The only reason he scraped by the first time was because of demoralization and apathy of the liberals and moderates, which isn’t going to be repeated should he run for re-election. So the only real question regarding Trump’s fate in the next election is whether he’ll last long enough to see it. > > Which I think he will. All claims that evidence of _any_ kind could change the minds of his remaining supporters -which includes the politicians who could impeach him- strikes me as charming naivete. I agree with all of this. Trump has 30 million fawning retards, but he also had a golden moment that can never be repeated…unless the democrats run a candidate as bad or worse than Hillary. You know what is probably on the Trump video in Russia? Cheeto screaming at some hookers to piss on Obama’s bed, if not on himself. The 30 million mouth-breathers will love it, but it will turn off the independents. I hope it comes out. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17978 "2018-03-15T22:02:51Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > In the past 8 years: gay marriage became legal, LGBTQ rights rose to the forefront, race has become a national dialogue, as has pay equity and gun control. Even religion itself is under attack. Keep in mind, America is the stagnant backwater when it comes to these issues when compared to the rest of the first world. > > They will not beat back the tide but I think they’re just glad to get a bit of respite before they are drowned by the next progressive wave. Trump is the flotsam they cling to while they take their last gasping breaths. The only point I’d argue with is that religion is under attack. People don’t have a problem with genuine religion. What’s under attack is a political ideology that’s pretending to be a religion. A lot of what claims to be Christianity in America nowadays has nothing to do with anything Jesus Christ ever said. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17979 "2018-03-15T22:05:39Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Trump isn’t going to get re-elected. The only reason he scraped by the first time was because of demoralization and apathy of the liberals and moderates, which isn’t going to be repeated should he run for re-election. So the only real question regarding Trump’s fate in the next election is whether he’ll last long enough to see it. I’d like to believe this. But I never imagined that Trump would get elected in 2016. So I won’t dismiss the possibility of him getting re-elected in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17980 "2018-03-15T22:08:29Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The only point I’d argue with is that religion is under attack. People don’t have a problem with genuine religion. What’s under attack is a political ideology that’s pretending to be a religion. A lot of what claims to be Christianity in America nowadays has nothing to do with anything Jesus Christ ever said. Religion is under attack in the sense that Christianity is no longer the unassailable norm that is presumed to go unchallenged by all. There are many who take that loss of societal status and protection personally. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17981 "2018-03-15T22:45:35Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’d like to believe this. But I never imagined that Trump would get elected in 2016. So I won’t dismiss the possibility of him getting re-elected in 2020. Neither will I. His fan base doesn’t seem pissed off at all. More likely, they’ll defend him. Even if they prove he’s worth negative 200 million bucks, they’ll blame Obama again. Most who voted for him will just say, “Eh. We didn’t get the wall, but, eh.” ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17982 "2018-03-15T22:52:34Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Neither will I. His fan base doesn’t seem pissed off at all. More likely, they’ll defend him. Even if they prove he’s worth negative 200 million bucks, they’ll blame Obama again. Most who voted for him will just say, “Eh. We didn’t get the wall, but, eh.” Presuming everything goes normally (read: The RNC doesn’t run a different republican alongside him), virtually all the people who voted for Trump the first time would vote for him again. (What are they going to do - vote democrat? _Stay home?_) The difference would be that you wouldn’t find as many democrats and moderates staying home. Say what you will about him, Trump has generated a lot of interest in how our country is run at the presidential level. You’re going to see a lot less shrugging. And Trump desperately needs decent people to do nothing if he wants to be elected, both the first time and on any future re-ups. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17983 "2018-03-15T22:53:18Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I’m talking about what the Russians have. The pee tape. Consensual golden showers would cross the line for many evangelicals. They’d just spin it as a baptism. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/17984 "2018-03-15T23:16:09Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Presuming everything goes normally (read: The RNC doesn’t run a different republican alongside him), virtually all the people who voted for Trump the first time would vote for him again. (What are they going to do - vote democrat? _Stay home?_) The difference would be that you wouldn’t find as many democrats and moderates staying home. Say what you will about him, Trump has generated a lot of interest in how our country is run at the presidential level. You’re going to see a lot less shrugging. And Trump desperately needs decent people to do nothing if he wants to be elected, both the first time and on any future re-ups. I agree. He got out voted last time. If there is a next time, not one democrat will stay home. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=898) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=900)