# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 902
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18025 "2018-03-16T19:34:45Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Because by the time of the 2016 election, conservatives had been smearing Hillary for 20 years. They don’t even know who the Democrats will nominate. No way can they damage that person as thoroughly as they did Hillary. Very true. Furthermore, what are typical smears? “S/he flirted with someone other than spouse”? “Used his/her office for financial gain”? Surely even Republicans, if their IQ is above moron level, will detect a whiff of a double-standard in such charges by now. Yes, about 80% of Republicans _are_ morons, but 20% should be enough to swing the election. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18026 "2018-03-16T20:15:14Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Furthermore, what are typical smears? “S/he flirted with someone other than spouse”? “Used his/her office for financial gain”? Surely even Republicans, if their IQ is above moron level, will detect a whiff of a double-standard in such charges by now. No, it doesn’t come across as a double standard to them. It comes across as “all politicians are crooks, so you might as well vote for one who’s more like you.” That’s why their “attack them where they’re strongest / you’re weakest” tactic works. Trump has questionable ties to Russia? Attack Hillary on her (tenuous) connection to Russia. Bush is a draft dodger? Attack John Kerry’s military record. Trump harassed women? Attack Hillary for helping her husband get away with harassment. Trump misused his charity foundation to evade taxes? Attack Hillary’s foundation. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18027 "2018-03-16T22:04:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It will get worse; they could start going after Wall Street and the financial system – as in our nation’s corporate stocks and our individual retirement accounts. Putin does not give a fuck. He is accountable to no one, and this is a sign that the sanctions are threatening to crimp his grip on power, if not his lifestyle. The murders of former spies and critics of the administration are a sign that Putin is ready to bring the thunder. November’s elections and the Mueller investigation are real concerns because if he’s unsuccessful at having the United States fight with itself over the legitimacy of its own elections, then he probably feels as though he has to up the ante. He has to be worried, because while he is a thug and a goon, he also deals with other thugs and goons, just as ruthless and just as vicious. He has to know that nobody is unreachable, including himself. It may not just be his money and his power at stake, it could be his life too, if the wrong people get squeezed too much over his bullshit. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18028 "2018-03-16T22:08:03Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I agree it is a small minority, which is why in that thread I tell them that they should form their own party that they can support, rather than demand that the democratic party capitulate to their demands. They seem to think that they have more influence, and are saying that unless they are given everything they want, then they won’t turn out in 2020, and trump will be re-elected, and it will be the dems fault. No, it will be THEIR fault. Screw that bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18029 "2018-03-16T22:49:45Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > No, it will be THEIR fault. Screw that bullshit. It won’t be either of their fault, because there aren’t enough of them to make a difference. Apathy in general will be low, and that fact will work against the republicans, because for every committed loon that stays home there will be two incensed moderates who turn out to vote against Trump. (Presuming we’re talking about Trump being the republican candidate. If the pubs float somebody else all bets are off.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18030 "2018-03-16T23:43:06Z")
They shouldn’t be. I’ve held the thought to myself for some time out of some misguided sense of politeness, but I’m just about ready to publicly equate voting for a Republican with crimes against humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18031 "2018-03-17T00:22:38Z")
[Meet the Trump Administration’s Wildlife Conservation Council](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/reality-stars-trophy-hunters-and-gun-boosters-meet-the-trump-administrations-wildlife-conservation-council/) > [@](#): > > The members of the International Wildlife Conservation Council, which is holding its first meeting Friday, include a reality-TV safari hunting guide, a former beauty queen, gun industry representatives, members and affiliates of a controversial trophy hunting group, and a veterinarian associated with an exotic animal breeding facility in Florida that sells endangered animals to roadside zoos. > > … > > Perhaps SCI’s most famous member is Walter Palmer, the Minnesota dentist who got into hot water in 2015 for killing a lion named Cecil who lived in Zimbabwe’s Hwange National Park and was being studied by scientists at Oxford University. Palmer was never charged with any crimes, but the killing helped drive public opinion even further against trophy hunting. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18032 "2018-03-17T01:24:24Z")
Stormy Daniels was **physically threatened** to stay silent about Trump. We have the first Mafia president: he demands loyalty, surrounds himself with family because he doesn’t trust anyone else, and will threaten violence against anyone who dares to defy him. > **[Stormy Daniels' attorney claims she was physically threatened | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/stormy-daniels-physical-threats-cnntv/index.html)** > > The lawyer representing Stormy Daniels, the porn star suing President Donald Trump, claimed Friday that she has faced physical threats. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18033 "2018-03-17T02:10:49Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Stormy Daniels was **physically threatened** to stay silent about Trump. > > We have the first Mafia president: he demands loyalty, surrounds himself with family because he doesn’t trust anyone else, and will threaten violence against anyone who dares to defy him. > > [https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/stormy-daniels-physical-threats-cnntv/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/16/politics/stormy-daniels-physical-threats-cnntv/index.html) We don’t know by whom. Could be rando internet trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18034 "2018-03-17T02:11:32Z")
[Jeff Sessions fires FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe days before his retirement, jeopardizing his pension.](https://mobile.twitter.com/AP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18035 "2018-03-17T02:24:01Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Jeff Sessions fires FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe days before his retirement, jeopardizing his pension.](https://mobile.twitter.com/AP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) On CNN, it’s being reported that McCabe found out he was fired by journalists asking his reaction. Looks like “Spineless” Sessions is as much a coward as The Howling Yam. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18036 "2018-03-17T02:26:57Z")
This is just a warning shot to others who might act against him. He is a such a small man. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18037 "2018-03-17T02:27:31Z")
They’re all petty as fuck and have no class besides. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18038 "2018-03-17T02:35:52Z")
What a collection of world-class pricks in this so-called ‘administration’. Oh well, a large flock of chickens appear to be coming to roost around Trump; I’m beginning to wonder which is going to get him to first, the Mueller investigation or Stormygate. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18039 "2018-03-17T02:59:02Z")
There was no need to fire McCabe, and had Trump & Sessions not authorized the firing of Comey, we wouldn’t even know who the hell he is. I’ve been pointing this out for a while now but I’ll point it out yet again: the Trump administration is trying to politicize the DoJ and they could end up succeeding, and that would be a very, very ominous turn of events. Consider this: just this past week, we’ve already had a law enforcement spokesman for the ICE resign because he felt that his agency had become so politicized that they insisted on telling falsehoods. We’re talking about DHS/ICE, one of the federal government’s more notable law enforcement agencies, essentially called out by one of its own for extreme politicization. What makes us assume that this same kind of political tainting can’t occur at the DoJ, the FBI, or even the United States military? Folks, right now, we have a code red constitutional crisis, and if you deny it by labeling me a “chicken little”…you are a large part of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18040 "2018-03-17T04:03:19Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Jeff Sessions fires FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe days before his retirement, jeopardizing his pension.](https://mobile.twitter.com/AP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) The Trump administration is a scourge on democracy. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18041 "2018-03-17T04:29:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Either him or Suharto. They both ruled Indonesia in the Sixties. In 1965, at age eleven, I took an odd interest in the Indonesian government. The coup didn’t make a lot of sense, both because of the similarity of their names and because, though he lost, Sukarno didn’t get fully overthrown for another year and a half. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18042 "2018-03-17T04:31:21Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Jeff Sessions fires FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe days before his retirement, jeopardizing his pension.](https://mobile.twitter.com/AP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) :eek: This is just needlessly cruel. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18043 "2018-03-17T04:55:43Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > [Jeff Sessions fires FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe days before his retirement, jeopardizing his pension.](https://mobile.twitter.com/AP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > :eek: > > This is just needlessly cruel. [The celebratory Tweet is just the icing on the turd.](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/974859881827258369) ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18044 "2018-03-17T05:08:44Z")
I wonder what the response will be from the rank-and-file agents. I can’t imagine that seeing a guy work his way up in the Bureau for 20+ years, only to be fired as a result of a personal/political vendetta two days before his retirement, potentially losing the pension he earned, will go over too well. Could law enforcement be yet another voting bloc turned away from the Republican Party by the douchebaggery of Trump? I mean, Trump (and the Pubs after him) seem to really be attacking law enforcement these days-- both the FBI and LEOs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=901) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=903)