# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 940
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18785 "2018-04-05T19:28:15Z")
Scott Pruitt wanted to use emergency lights and sirens to get through DC traffic when he was late for an appointment. The security guy in charge said that was against rules. Two weeks later, the security guy was replaced. His replacement is the guy who claims that Pruitt has to fly first class and sit near the front of planes because of security issues. > **[Scott Pruitt asked to use sirens in D.C. traffic and was told no for...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/scott-pruitt-asked-to-use-sirens-in-dc-traffic-and-was-told-no-for-non-emergency/)** > > Two weeks after Pruitt's lead security agent said no, he was reassigned. Pruitt's current security lead is under scrutiny by two Democratic senators ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18786 "2018-04-05T19:31:03Z")
Just on the basis of his policies, Scott Pruitt may be the worst member of the administration (Betsy de Vos would give him a run for his money). But throw in bullshit like the above and there’s no contest. ETA: Why the hell does he even ride in a vehicle with lights and sirens? What constitutes an EPA emergency? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18787 "2018-04-05T19:35:42Z")
So Trump has said that the National Guard would be deployed at the border “until we get a wall.” Sounds an awful lot like he’s using them as hostages. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18788 "2018-04-05T19:39:13Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > So Trump has said that the National Guard would be deployed at the border “until we get a wall.” Sounds an awful lot like he’s using them as hostages. The Governor of Oregon said she would not authorize the use of the Oregon National Guard for border defense. I don’t know what the President has to do to nationalize the Guard, but has he done this with their use at the border? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18789 "2018-04-05T19:43:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Governor of Oregon said she would not authorize the use of the Oregon National Guard for border defense. I don’t know what the President has to do to nationalize the Guard, but has he done this with their use at the border? I will freely admit to ignorance as to how the National Guard works. I thought they’re at the state level – under direction of the governor, and working within their home state? Seeing as how Oregon doesn’t have a border…how would the Oregon Guard wind up near Mexico? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18790 "2018-04-05T19:45:02Z")
I thought he was only using the National Guard from border states? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18791 "2018-04-05T19:45:42Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I will freely admit to ignorance as to how the National Guard works. I thought they’re at the state level – under direction of the governor, and working within their home state? Seeing as how Oregon doesn’t have a border…how would the Oregon Guard wind up near Mexico? The President can nationalize the Guard to put them under Pentagon control instead of state level. I know that happened during the Arkansas school desegregation problem under Eisenhower. The Governor refused to use the Guard to protect the black students, so the President did it. I don’t know if only the Guard units from border states will be used, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18792 "2018-04-05T19:50:01Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I thought he was only using the National Guard from border states? Looks like she is pre-emptively saying no, even before she is asked, if in fact she would be. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18793 "2018-04-05T19:52:18Z")
If they’re nationalized, do they get paid by the feds? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18794 "2018-04-05T19:54:19Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > If they’re nationalized, do they get paid by the feds? An excellent point. I hope so; and I hope the funds come out of that $1.3B for border security that was just included in the omnibus spending bill. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18795 "2018-04-05T19:54:22Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > If they’re nationalized, do they get paid by the feds? They do. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18796 "2018-04-05T19:59:31Z")
I thought that nationalizing was a Commie thing. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18797 "2018-04-05T20:02:09Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I will freely admit to ignorance as to how the National Guard works. I thought they’re at the state level – under direction of the governor, and working within their home state? Seeing as how Oregon doesn’t have a border…how would the Oregon Guard wind up near Mexico? They can be sent to [missions abroad as well](https://www.google.es/search?q=national+guard+in+afghanistan&rlz=1C1GGRV_esFR751FR751&oq=national+guard+in+afghanistan&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.7214j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18798 "2018-04-05T20:07:02Z")
[The git is _still_ yammering about “voter fraud”!](https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/trump-tosses-out-the-script-in-rant-on-immigration-and-voter-fraud.html) :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18799 "2018-04-05T20:12:43Z")
CNN reports that Trump has mused this week about firing Sessions and replacing him with Swampdweller Scott Pruitt, who is under fire for multiple (and quite egregious) ethical lapses. WTF. Pruitt really ought to be fired for taking a sweetheart deal on cheap living quarters in a lobbyist’s home, and giving his staffers huge raises. Instead Trump is thinking about promoting him. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18800 "2018-04-05T21:19:15Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Seeing as how Oregon doesn’t have a border…how would the Oregon Guard wind up near Mexico? By wagon train. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18801 "2018-04-05T21:23:37Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Seeing as how Oregon doesn’t have a border…how would the Oregon Guard wind up near Mexico? Simply declare that California is just the southern counties of Oregon. We could call it Baja Oregon. (Gets rid of two pesky Democratic senators as well.) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18802 "2018-04-05T21:29:17Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Anyone happen to know where Eric Prince is right now? > [@AnalogSignal](#): > > … It is a matter of time before Trump announces the creation of the Secret State Police to address this problem. On the SDMB, the answers to our questions are often just a post or two away… ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18803 "2018-04-05T21:33:13Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > I thought that nationalizing was a Commie thing. It’s a dictator thing. You can’t be a dictator on your own–you need support from guys who are highly motivated to keep supporting you, and fear alone won’t do it. You need the carrot was well as the stick, and nationalizing things and then handing them to your newly-minted oligarchs is the way to ensure devotion to your continued rule. > [@Superdude](#): > > It’s the world’s biggest game of “Red Rover.” That occurred to me (too) after I’d logged off. But hey, there could be worse uses of their time! ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18804 "2018-04-05T21:33:17Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > By wagon train. [Be careful of the water.](https://chiscroller.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/you-have-died-of-dysentery1.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=939) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=941)