# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 946
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18905 "2018-04-09T14:26:13Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > These “Christians” dissembling for Trump are infuriating. > > [Inside the White House bible study group.](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43534724) > This mealy-mouthed asshole, pastor Ralph Drollinger, who apparently has an ongoing sexual relationship with a thesaurus, spells out one contradictory position after another. For example: > > Ah, so you’re picking and choosing. You know what that means: > > Worse, this bible-thumping, Trump supporter has a broken hypocrisy meter and a serious vitamin I(rony) deficiency: > > What kind of moral leadership can you get from a twice divorced, pussy-groping, serial adulterer, eh Ralphie? > Does this “man of God” also counsel democrats? Why sure, even though it’s probably hopeless. For example, this one liberal bitch, who is pretty much a whore: > > So just fuck you Ralphie. And fuck you Pence and all the rest of the Jesus freaks in the cabinet. Take your sicko, perverted version of Christianity and keep it far, far away from secular government. > [@](#): > > One Democrat, struggling with her party’s support for same-sex marriage, contacted Drollinger for advice. He explained the Bible’s teaching, as he saw it. He says he won’t tell her how to vote on the issue - voicing opposition to marriage might cost her an election. "But at the same time, she’s going to have to think, what’s different between that and a prostitute? A prostitute sells her soul to maintain a salary. Are you as a Christian legislator, growing in Christ, selling your convictions in order to stay making a salary, or have influence? One prominent Republican called me for advice, complaining that Drollinger ‘puts his hand on my thigh and makes sucking noises through his teeth whenever he sits next me’. Blind quotes are fun. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18906 "2018-04-09T15:27:43Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > One prominent Republican called me for advice, complaining that Drollinger ‘puts his hand on my thigh and makes sucking noises through his teeth whenever he sits next me’. > > Blind quotes are fun. Eh? They’re all from the linked article, ding-a-ling. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18907 "2018-04-09T15:59:50Z")
Are the prominent politicians begging him for advice identified? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18908 "2018-04-09T16:00:48Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Eh? They’re all from the linked article, ding-a-ling. Woosh! I think his point was that since there is not way to check Delliger’s claim, the Democratic lawmaker who supposedly came to Drollinger for advice is about as likely to be real as the Republican who asked Typo Negative’s advice. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18909 "2018-04-09T16:04:06Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Woosh! > > I think his point was that since there is not way to check Delliger’s claim, the Democratic lawmaker who supposedly came to Drollinger for advice is about as likely to be real as the Republican who asked Typo Negative’s advice. Precisely. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18910 "2018-04-09T16:25:00Z")
Well, then I’m an idiot. So there. :o ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18911 "2018-04-09T16:46:37Z")
Just a few stats for your amusement/despair. in the 456 days since its origin, the Trump Clusterfuck Thread has had approximately 41.7 posts per day. Compare this to the Stupid Republican of the day which has only had 11.8 posts per day Suggesting that over this period of time the Trump administration has been doing approximately 3.5 times as much strupid things as the whole of the Local, State and National Republican Party, even discounting the other spinoff Trump Twitter and Trump pissoff threads. That might give the impression that now that Trump has become a stupidity magnet, the Republicans have been slacking off, but further investigation suggests that this is incorrect. In the time between its creation and the start of the Clusterfuck thread, the Stupid Republcan of the day average 11.2 posts per day, so Republican Stupidity has basically been constant. At this rate I would expect that on July 30th 2019 the Clusterfuck of this administration will outweigh all of Republican Stupidity all the way back to March 2009 when Republcans first put forward the idea to make a law regulating the actions of the first lady. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18912 "2018-04-09T17:40:53Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Reagan too. Though, I think he is actually still in his grave. > [@elucidator](#): > > Somebody should go check. > [@jayjay](#): > > It’ll be hard to tell. He needed brains when he was alive, too. I’m not that far from Simi Valley (couple of hours drive). I can see myself checking out the internet to read a few of the paeans that have been composed in Ronnie’s memory, just for inspiration. Then I can go paean his grave. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18913 "2018-04-09T17:43:47Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’m not that far from Simi Valley (couple of hours drive). I can see myself checking out the internet to read a few of the paeans that have been composed in Ronnie’s memory, just for inspiration. Then I can go paean his grave. 'Tis better to pee on than to be a peon. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18914 "2018-04-09T17:58:04Z")
I read somewhere that Betsy DeVos wasn’t allowed to speak at the White House prayer meetings because she’s a woman, but I can’t find the article now. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18915 "2018-04-09T19:01:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I read somewhere that Betsy DeVos wasn’t allowed to speak at the White House prayer meetings because she’s a woman, but I can’t find the article now. I read something about the prayer meetings too, and I think it had to do with women not being allowed to \*teach \*(lead the studies) at the meetings, which are actually led by Ralph Dollinger, who firmly adheres to the old-school notion that women can’t preach or teach the gospel. So ol’ Bets may be limited in what she’s allowed to say or share, but I don’t think she’s actually prohibited from speaking there. I’ve been around enough old-school conservative evangelical Christians to know that keeping women absolutely silent in Bible/prayer meetings isn’t something even they would do. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18916 "2018-04-09T20:00:07Z")
Wonder if the farmers in Iowa are [tired of all this winning](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-if-farmers-get-hit-theyll-understand) yet. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18917 "2018-04-09T20:08:57Z")
The FBI just executed a [warrant](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html) against Michael Cohen. > [@New York Times](#): > > The F.B.I. on Monday raided the office of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, seizing records related to several topics including payments to a pornographic-film actress. > > Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18918 "2018-04-09T20:10:05Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Wonder if the farmers in Iowa are [tired of all this winning](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-if-farmers-get-hit-theyll-understand) yet. Trump will “make it up to them”, presumably by writing a personal check. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18919 "2018-04-09T20:14:18Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Trump will “make it up to them”, presumably by writing a personal check. They should demand cash. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18920 "2018-04-09T20:28:26Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > The FBI just executed a [warrant](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html) against Michael Cohen. Maybe (almost certainly) I’m making too much of this because it fuels my partisan blood lust… but this sounds like Mueller has so much to work with, that he can toss evidence over the wall to another investigative agency, even when that evidence concerns one of Trump’s closest advisers, and the evidence is strong enough to spark a raid on the adviser’s office. Mueller is so busy with all the other crimes he’s dealing with, that potential federal crimes committed by the president’s personal attorney are relatively small potatoes. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18921 "2018-04-09T20:31:46Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Wonder if the farmers in Iowa are [tired of all this winning](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-if-farmers-get-hit-theyll-understand) yet. “They’re patriots. They’ll understand.” Scary thing is, his voters will swallow that line of manure because he’s _not Hilary._ ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18922 "2018-04-09T22:17:53Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > So just fuck you Ralphie. And fuck you Pence and all the rest of the Jesus freaks in the cabinet. Take your sicko, perverted version of Christianity and keep it far, far away from secular government. We were in Delavan, WI this weekend. There’s a former movie theater in the downtown area that is now a church. The marquee read: ``` KIND ATHEISTS ARE BETTER THAN VICIOUS CHRISTIANS ``` I did a doubletake. The sentiment is something all Christians should agree with, but so few actually do. If the Pubs espoused this kind of Christianity instead of the hate-filled one they champion, well I’d still have a problem with it (big proponent of the separation of church and state here) but not nearly as big a problem. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18923 "2018-04-09T23:33:01Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > The FBI just executed a [warrant](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.html) against Michael Cohen. Washington Post reporter @CarolLeonnig tweets: > [@](#): > > EXCLUSIVE – @realDonaldTrump lawyer is under investigation for possible bank fraud, wire fraud and violations of election law, per person familiar with search warrant of @MichaelCohen212 . Lawyer argues raid was inappropriate. Me w/ @thamburger An angry Trump calls it “an attack on our country.” Geez Louise! This is getting serious. Trump could fire Mueller. If he does, what happens next? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18924 "2018-04-09T23:50:14Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Washington Post reporter @CarolLeonnig tweets: > An angry Trump calls it “an attack on our country.” > Geez Louise! This is getting serious. Trump could fire Mueller. If he does, what happens next? Bolton bombs the DOJ. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=945) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=947)