# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 949
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18965 "2018-04-10T22:39:35Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > Blaming Eve for the Fall always seemed unfair to me. She was deceived by the Master Deceiver - she never had a chance. Adam, OTOH, couldn’t look past the words of this woman he has authority over and remember the word of God. > > Was Adam the first man to think with his dick? Well, if he was the first _man_, then it would naturally follow that … ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18966 "2018-04-10T23:19:23Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > How odd that a fella who has made being unfair to random schmoes a virtue and practically a life’s work, should bleat so often and loudly about unfairness. Yes, completely. BEING UNFAIR IS HIS BUSINESS MODEL. And now that surprise, surprise, being POTUS puts him under investigation, it’s unfair. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18967 "2018-04-10T23:30:18Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Yes, completely. > > BEING UNFAIR IS HIS BUSINESS MODEL. And now that surprise, surprise, being POTUS puts him under investigation, it’s unfair. Completely right about the business model. I remember growing up near Atlantic City in the '80s-'90s. The bankruptcy on Taj Mahal threw area businesses into the red all around the place with striking workers, law suits, etc. We used to say he’s probably not even worth a million. I’m still thinking the same. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18968 "2018-04-10T23:41:41Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > That would require physical activity. It’s more likely he’ll make Melania pee on the pic. I don’t think he’s seen that part of Melania for quite some time. Which might explain a lot. He can’t sneak anyone into the White House any more, and I bet Melania is telling him that she hopes that memories of Stormy Daniels keeps him warm at night. Donny is losing it because he’s horny and can’t grab any pussy any more. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2018, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18969 "2018-04-10T23:48:58Z")
Trump is without a doubt the standout example of a pampered asshole who inherited money from daddy and whose favorite word is Spoiled Fucking Baby style: Unfair. That piece of shit has never been on the receiving end of unfair. Fuck you, Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18970 "2018-04-11T02:08:02Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > She was deceived by the Master Deceiver - she never had a chance. Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18971 "2018-04-11T02:50:38Z")
Nah, Trump’s a Ron; not so much a master deceiver as someone who wishes he was a master anything. Sandly there’s a lot of Ron-dhus around. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18972 "2018-04-11T03:15:44Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Nah, Trump’s a Ron; not so much a master deceiver as someone who wishes he was a master anything. Sandly there’s a lot of Ron-dhus around. MAN I miss the Ron thread ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18973 "2018-04-11T03:29:31Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Friendly Amendment Proposal: “…giant _habanero-glazed_ pineapple…” with a barbed wire garnish ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18974 "2018-04-11T03:30:47Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > How odd that a fella who has made being unfair to random schmoes a virtue and practically a life’s work, should bleat so often and loudly about unfairness. Because he is, after all is said and done, a whiney ass bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18975 "2018-04-11T03:34:42Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Nah, Trump’s a Ron; not so much a master deceiver as someone who wishes he was a master anything. Sandly there’s a lot of Ron-dhus around. > [@zoid](#): > > MAN I miss the Ron thread What’s a Ron? ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18976 "2018-04-11T03:46:54Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > MAN I miss the Ron thread This IS the Ron thread. There’s always more Ron. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18977 "2018-04-11T03:50:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What’s a Ron? > **[The Ron Thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=495672)** > > Okay - this is for the people from this thread that read this snippet: The first time I met Ron was at a holiday party I was hosting at my house. My sister and Ron showed up 2 hours late - because they were shopping for toilet paper. yes you read... ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18978 "2018-04-11T03:53:45Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > [The Ron Thread - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=495672) That’s disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18979 "2018-04-11T04:11:30Z")
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**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18980 "2018-04-11T04:26:50Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > The problem with compartmentalization is that he only has two compartments: himself and everything else. When there’s something going on with compartment 1, “everything else” is always going to fall by the wayside. Well, a silver lining at least. If we can just have every city in America invite Trump to a golf tournament every day of the year there isn’t dumpster fire investigation news, we may yet survive this presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18981 "2018-04-11T04:50:07Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > [The Ron Thread - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=495672) Man I had completely forgotten about that thread. What an amazing piece of SDMB history. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18982 "2018-04-11T04:52:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Tim Snyder is an interesting cat, with dictatorships and authoritarian governments being his specialty. Garry Kasparov - yes, _that_ Garry Kasparov of chess championship fame - is also another interesting interview whenever he’s on. Kasparov’s become something of a politician in exile in recent years and taking on the dangerous work of being an outspoken critic of Putin. > > As both Snyder and Kasparov have pointed out in almost the exact same language: one of the goals of the modern (Western) authoritarian is not necessarily control information but to sow confusion in the minds of people. Authoritarians want people to believe that everyone is equally dubious. Nobody can be trusted. And when nobody can be trusted to provide the truth, then the truth becomes whatever those in power say the truth is. > > That’s exactly why I go off on people when they say “they’re all the same” or “both sides do it” or “both parties are two sides of the same coin.” Non-partisans, however good their intentions might be, represent a more insidious form of danger than right wing partisans. It’s good to be partisan. One simply needs to be the right kind of partisan: a partisan for truth, a partisan for reason, a partisan for the rule of law, for the common welfare, and for the strength of public institutions and accountability. There will always be shades of grey on specific political and social issues, but when it comes to power, justice, the truth, the facts, civic involvement…there has to be a clear and shared sense of virtue among ordinary people, and to resist assaults on these values from those in power. Otherwise, ordinary people lose control. I believe I’ve incurred your wrath a couple times for “both sides” arguments (however factual my positions might have been) but still: Quoted for truth. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18983 "2018-04-11T05:09:06Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > So. Much. Winning. I’m just so sick of all the winning! > > Actually, since I’m pretty far from retirement this is giving me plenty of opportunity to buy stocks at low prices. So, ummm, yay Trump? #MAGA? > > (N.B., although it is true I’m getting a good deal, I’m kidding and recognize that overall it hurts more than it helps.) > [@Voyager](#): > > If you think this is the bottom, you’re very optimistic. After that giant plummet in Feb, then Dodd-Frank getting repealed at a time the stock market is already severely overinflated, the term “Dead Cat Bounce” comes to mind for the current “low” prices. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/18984 "2018-04-11T06:08:31Z")
What “current low prices”??? The market may have dropped a dozen times, but it has bounced back every time and is still hanging around 24,000. Average P/E since 1946 is 17.3. The S&P 500 is at 25 and the Dow Industrial at 25.8. Or as I said a month or so ago, the market needs to drop 30% just to get back to average historical Price to Earning ratios. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=948) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=950)