# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![Rick\_Sanchez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rick\_Sanchez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Sanchez)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1961 "2017-03-09T11:13:12Z")
Oh, shut up BigTard ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1962 "2017-03-09T11:47:48Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > It appears that you ultraliberal leftists still can’t get over the fact that President Trump is president, and he is indeed doing a great job with his conservative agenda, as well as carrying out everything he said he would do. I can’t tell if you’re more wrong about what the left believes or about what the right believes. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1963 "2017-03-09T11:58:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I can’t tell if you’re more wrong about what the left believes or about what the right believes. The better question is whose sock is it? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1964 "2017-03-09T12:42:12Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > The better question is whose sock is it? Or it’s just a new poster who doesn’t know any better and y’all are missing a learning opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1965 "2017-03-09T13:01:51Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > The Republican Party doesn’t claim global warming is a fraud. That’s bullshit. They just oppose some of the more alarmist claims about it that turned out to be false. The GOP doesn’t oppose cleaning up dirty lakes and toxic waste dumps. Remember the Michigan Flint water crisis? That was the fault of an Obama-administration EPA, a bunch of in competent second-raters. I can’t let this piece of bullshit go un-challenged. The Flint crisis was the fault of a Republican billionaire governor and his right-wing rubber-stampers in Lansing and unaccountable appointed city administrators who were tasked with running cities like a business. The EPA should’ve done more, but for much of the time, had their hands tied. But tell us more about how your party’s plans to cut the EPA is a good thing, and having an even weaker EPA would’ve prevented Flint’s water crisis! Or better yet, no EPA! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1966 "2017-03-09T13:06:05Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I sure can. The National Mining Association released a reputable report showing that over 70,000 jobs would have been lost by the coal-stream regulation rule passed by Obama, had it not been repealed by President Trump and the Republican Congress. See this:[http://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Fact-Sheet-SPR.pdf](http://nma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Fact-Sheet-SPR.pdf) Hey Bob! You guys going to lose jobs if the government regulates you to protect the environment? Sure am Bill!!! Thousands of jobs!!! Yup. All of them jobs gone iffin’ I get regulated any more. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1967 "2017-03-09T13:14:58Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > What I did say, though, was that this forum is filled with ultraliberal leftists, who support a flood of regulations which ultimately amount to despotic intrusions by the federal government over every brook, creek, cattle tank, mud puddle, slough, or damp spot in every landowner’s backyard. > > Indeed, many of these Draconian regulations, if passed, would turn the Rust Belt into little more than a theme park. Ae you suggesting that Democrat policies depress the economy, while GOP policies stimulate it? [Study the graph a third of the way down this page](http://voxeu.org/article/us-economy-performs-better-under-democratic-presidents-why) — Fight your ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1968 "2017-03-09T13:15:51Z")
What is this “ultraliberal leftist” crap? Since when is being a Democrat scary & un-American? I know a couple of members of the CPUSA–nice folks, if a bit unrealistic. \*They \*are “leftists”–but even they knew enough to vote for Hillary. A small reason to dislike Trump & his minions: Their pollution of the English language. He’s got a ridiculous brain-damaged vocabulary–when he’s not reading off a teleprompter. And his followers come up with stuff like “alternative facts.” Oh, history, too. I’ve heard concern about the Trump regime’s close relationship with the Russian oligarchy called “New McCarthyism.” Which proves they know nothing about the career of that Famous Republican. Roy Cohn, McCarthy crony, was one of [Trump’s spiritual teachers](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/donald-trump-roy-cohn.html). ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1969 "2017-03-09T13:19:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I can tell the majority of straightdope people are liberals Hey people, look at the join date and this quote and just slowly back away. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1970 "2017-03-09T13:31:30Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Hey people, look at the join date and this quote and just slowly back away. I admit being slightly curious what percentage of active members of this board participate in political discussions. I don’t think it would surprise me if 50% or more never do (or do so very rarely), so statements about the political views of the majority of the membership may be unfounded. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1971 "2017-03-09T13:36:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Or it’s just a new poster who doesn’t know any better and y’all are missing a learning opportunity. I’m not usually a betting man, but I’m comfortable putting up my house, car, and _droit du seigneur_ with Mme Turnip up as collateral for a counter-wager on that one. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1972 "2017-03-09T13:49:45Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > There’s no reasoned debate. One guy is showing you that you are wrong. You’re trying to pretend politics allows you to have alternative facts. > > You’re even pretending you came here to debate, when you clearly started out attacking ultraliberals with bullshit about us not accepting Trump is president. > > He’s president. He’s also evil. You guys saw an obviously, cartoonishly evil man and voted for him. He’s now ineptly fucking shit up. He still a whiny toddler who can’t handle the job, and has to farm it out to other people, two of whom are white supremacists. > > We have a greater chance of having a nuclear war than ever in my lifetime, because the man is mentally unstable, with a huge narcissism and temper problems. > > Trump has the lowest approval ratings ever, and has fucked up nearly everything he’s tried to do so far. People are already talking of Nixon, with the Russia investigation. > > And, well, he’s an asshole and an awful human being who enjoys hurting other people. Hence beefing up our military, when he’s supposed to be US first, and pulling people out. > > He is as psychopath, and people are increasingly realizing that. He’s not enacting any sort of conservative agenda. No previous Republican president has done what he did. > > And, yeah, you’re probably a troll and I’m playing into it, but I’m pissed at Trump again, and you decided to defend that awful shitstain, and I needed the outlet. First off, lovely grammar. And secondly, no, I am not a troll, and did not utilize any alternative facts, but actual data and things and thing As Mr. Trump has done, such as Indid in my first post. Beefing up our military is a reasonable and necessary strategy for the winning the war against the radical ISIS terrorists, we can’t beat them with a military low on good equipment, etc. The notion that he isn’t “enacting any conservative agenda” is demonstrably false as well; he’s done several conservative things already that he promised during the campaign, including the nomination of an conservative originalist to the Supreme Court, the reinstating of a policy started under Reagan banning funds to international organizations that provide or promote abortions (there goes your “No previous Republican president has done what he did” bullshit bro), as well as the steady and consistent repeal of several burdensome, last-minute regulations Obama passed, with he use of th Congressional Review Act. Those are facts, not “alternative” facts, as you derisively called them. The fact that he has the lowest approval ratings is false, as demonstrated by recent Rasmussen polling putting him at 53-55% job approval. Rasmussen was the most accurate poll during the election, btw, it’s last point predicted HRC would win the popular vote by 2 points, she did indeed. One Politico poll showed him with 49% approval–which is more in Rasmussen’s ballpark. Politico also ran a story showing that yes, Trump is more popular than several of the polls make him appear ([http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/donald-trump-popularity-polling-234630](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/donald-trump-popularity-polling-234630)). Many of those other polling orgs got 2016 wildly wrong; I don’t see why I should trust anything they say. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1973 "2017-03-09T13:56:18Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Ae you suggesting that Democrat policies depress the economy, while GOP policies stimulate it? [Study the graph a third of the way down this page](http://voxeu.org/article/us-economy-performs-better-under-democratic-presidents-why) — Fight your ignorance. Correlation does not equal causation, bud. As you know Bill Clinton’s opponents, the GOP, controlled both houses of Congress during the final six years of his presidency, and the economy only boomed after several reforms the conservative members worked to pass with Clinton, such as 1996 welfare reform, the cutting of high capital gains taxes, a balanced budget, as well as holding the line on spending. Indeed, even Clinton saw the sense behind conservative policies when he announced during one of his State of the Union addresses that “the era of Big Government is over.” 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1974 "2017-03-09T14:04:19Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > First off, lovely grammar. And secondly, no, I am not a troll, and did not utilize any alternative facts, but actual data and things and thing As Mr. Trump has done, such as Indid in my first post. Gaudere’s Law is a bitch, huh? > [@](#): > > Beefing up our military is a reasonable and necessary strategy for the winning the war against the radical ISIS terrorists, we can’t beat them with a military low on good equipment, etc. The present military capability of the United States is enough to kill every member of ISIS and pump extra bullets into the dead bodies just for show. It is willfully ignorant to imply that the defeat of ISIS is dependent upon a huge boost in U.S. military spending. The U.S. Army could roll over ISIS like a steamroller. The reason they’re not is because it’s politically impossible to send a full-blown invasion force to do it. That won’t change with more spending. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1975 "2017-03-09T14:39:44Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I admit being slightly curious what percentage of active members of this board participate in political discussions. I don’t think it would surprise me if 50% or more never do (or do so very rarely), so statements about the political views of the majority of the membership may be unfounded. The shambolic election season, the shocking result & the worse-than-we-imagined Trump regime have certainly increased political posting here. Still, most of us\* also\* post on other subjects. TV shows, favorite music, recipes, travel hints, etc. Why would somebody come out of the blue & decide to begin attacking the “ultraliberal leftists”? (And not make _any_ non-political posts?) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1976 "2017-03-09T14:56:08Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > He. Was. Joking. I don’t think Donald J. Trump has ever made a witty remark in his life. The man is completely humor-deprived. Now, is it possible that he used hyperbolic language to espouse a claim that he personally doesn’t believe, in order to garner support? Or to put it more succinctly: lied through his teeth? Lied like a rug? Yes, I can believe that. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1977 "2017-03-09T15:01:32Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Beefing up our military is a reasonable and necessary strategy for the winning the war against the radical ISIS terrorists, we can’t beat them with a military low on good equipment, etc. I kind of wonder where you got the idea that our problem with beating ISIS is “not enough military hardware”. In a sheer contest of force, we have an arsenal capable of not just killing everyone in Mosul, but literally turning the entire area of Iraq and Syria into a very _dead_ parking lot. We’ve got remote-controlled drones making regular airstrikes on targets throughout the middle east. The problem is not “we are low on good equipment”. The problem is the same problem we always run into with decentralized terrorist organizations: how do you tell who is a terrorist and who is a civvy? And how do you get at the terrorists when they are using civvies as human shields? > [@](#): > > The fact that he has the lowest approval ratings is false, as demonstrated by recent Rasmussen polling putting him at 53-55% job approval. Rasmussen was the most accurate poll during the election, btw, it’s last point predicted HRC would win the popular vote by 2 points, she did indeed. One Politico poll showed him with 49% approval–which is more in Rasmussen’s ballpark. It is perhaps worth noting that on this, [Rasmussen is a _clear_ outlier](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/). Essentially every other polling firm has found pretty much the opposite result. Interestingly, a recent [Quinnipiac University](https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2437) poll went into considerably more detail and found that not only do most people oppose Trump, most of his policies are radically unpopular. And keep in mind - these guys get an “A-” from 538; Rasmussen gets a “C+”. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1978 "2017-03-09T15:03:42Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Correlation does not equal causation, bud. As you know Bill Clinton’s opponents, the GOP, controlled both houses of Congress during the final six years of his presidency, and the economy only boomed after several reforms the conservative members worked to pass with Clinton, such as 1996 welfare reform, the cutting of high capital gains taxes, a balanced budget, as well as holding the line on spending. The economy really started to improve after Clinton’s 1993 budget bill (if you remember, it was the one the Republicans lied about it being ““largest tax increase in history” and that Gingrich predicted ““The tax increase will kill jobs and lead to a recession, and the recession will force people off of work and onto unemployment and will actually increase the deficit.”) This idea that it was the Republicans were responsible for the economic boon of the 90’s is just silly. It was a multitude of reasons, including deficit reduction, low oil prices, tax increases on the very wealthy, and many more, many un-Republican, actions. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1979 "2017-03-09T15:17:10Z")
@ **ckalli1998** I’m interested in your ideas of how the political spectrum is described. You are describing as “ultraliberal leftists” anyone to the left of your views. I have to know: if the Democratic party is “ultraliberal” but yet when compared to moderate parties in Europe and elsewhere is very much right/centre, what do you use to describe the social liberalism of, say Norway? And how do you describe the (self-described) Marxist government of Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe? Who would you say in your opinion represents a moderate? Who represents an ultraconservative? ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/1980 "2017-03-09T15:23:44Z")
I’m also slightly interested if the 1998 in your name indicates year of birth… you seem a little naive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=100)