# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![DaveUnknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DaveUnknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveUnknown)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/281 "2024-11-20T01:47:15Z")
Watch for Lindell as DEA head. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/282 "2024-11-20T02:23:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t think the manpower for an operation that size exists unless Trump wants to restart the draft. > > And that would have to be political suicide for the entire Republican party. Not necessarily. “Young men need a challenge, and discipline their lives. Step up and serve your country. You love your country don’t you?” This from the same party that has to cut the taxes of millionaires, lest they move their companies to another country that gives them a better deal. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/283 "2024-11-20T02:28:22Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Or to put it another way, “Constitutional democracy in this country has had almost 250 years, and it’s obviously not working. Back to the Articles of Confederation!” That’s literally some sovereign citizens’ excuse not to follow laws they don’t want to follow. That and referring back to the Declaration of Independence. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > As far as I can tell he thinks the medical industry causes diseases, and by wrecking it everyone will be healthier. We already know for a fact he believes that if one does not test for a particular medical condition, then that condition simply does not exist. About a million people in America learned that about him the hard way. > [@Smapti](#): > > And that would have to be political suicide for the entire Republican party. Friend, there’s obviously not a damn thing that could be political suicide for that party. They fucking won when they ran the most incompetent person to hold the office of president again. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/284 "2024-11-20T02:52:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I don’t think the manpower for an operation that size exists unless Trump wants to restart the draft Meh. Screw up the economy enough, and there will be plenty of unemployed young guys looking for any job they can get. And a lot of them would probably like the “Round up minorities and abuse them” jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/285 "2024-11-20T04:26:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Friend, there’s obviously not a damn thing that could be political suicide for that party. They fucking won when they ran the most incompetent person to hold the office of president again. Yes, this. I’ve long since lost track of how many times I’ve heard people say that surely, _this_ particular stupidity or evil would be what turns people against Trump and the Republicans. I think it’s fair to think at this point that no such line exists to be crossed. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/286 "2024-11-20T04:47:11Z")
Trump won’t have mass deportations and doesn’t need to. He was elected in 2016 with the promise of building a wall he never built and that didn’t bother MAGA nor hurt him in any meaningful way. By February his followers will forget he even said anything about deporting people as he rants about something mean someone in the EU said or gripes about a Chinese trade war or whatever shit he and his equally short attention-spanned drones become obsessed with. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/287 "2024-11-20T04:50:43Z")
I remember lots of people being pleased (including me, to a degree) when trump got the republican nomination in 2016. Way to shoot yourselves in the foot with a hopeless candidate! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/288 "2024-11-20T05:30:05Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > By February his followers will forget he even said anything about deporting people as he rants about something mean someone in the EU said or gripes about a Chinese trade war or whatever shit he and his equally short attention-spanned drones become obsessed with. Sadly, this is demonstrably true, wholly true, and nothing but true. I’m _still_ getting people telling me the dude did not in fact say what he said. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/289 "2024-11-20T06:22:09Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > It also means that there will still be people available to pick crops and work the Mar A Lago dining room. Between 2017 and 2022 (the period in which Trump had access to classified documents) the Mar-a-lago estate hired 380 foreign workers. Putin must laugh at the simplicity of it all. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/290 "2024-11-20T06:24:17Z")
I’m starting to think the folks who get deported might be the lucky ones. Once this shit show really gets rolling, they might be lining up. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/291 "2024-11-20T06:36:31Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Between 2017 and 2022 (the period in which Trump had access to classified documents) the Mar-a-lago estate hired 380 foreign workers. Putin must laugh at the simplicity of it all. _Simplicity_ or _simpletonness_? > [@Fugazi](#): > > I’m starting to think the folks who get deported might be the lucky ones. Once this shit show really gets rolling, they might be lining up. Yeah, I can almost see the US citizens fighting it out with them to get the prime spots on the other side of the border. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/292 "2024-11-20T07:08:59Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > I’m not an expert in this area. Fortunately, there’s thousands of pages detailing the best practices and we’ve already translated it from the original German. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/293 "2024-11-20T07:44:38Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > And a lot of them would probably like the “Round up minorities and abuse them” jobs. Roughly 75 million people explicitly voted for such an opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/294 "2024-11-20T07:47:59Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > They think inflation is bad now? Wait till they have to pay farm workers $30/hour Don’t blame farm workers for inflation caused by central bankers. Look up “quantitative easing” to learn a bit about the absolute madness that caused our current predicament. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/295 "2024-11-20T08:32:30Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Don’t blame farm workers for inflation caused by central bankers. This is the key thing everyone needs to understand. However predictably the Trump admin’s initiatives fail and backfire, however disastrous the consequences of Trump’s policies, he will simply shift blame, and his broad base will believe him and will repeat and amplify his deflections. His plan was perfect, he will say, and it would have worked except that Trump’s enemies sabotaged everything. Rampaging inflation, softening currencies, collapsing trade deals, it’s all the fault of the opposition, deliberately gumming up the works to make Trump look bad. The perverse paradox of the coming clusterfuck is that every one of Trump’s failures will be fuel for the argument that Trump must be given more power. He will need to eviscerate the “deep state” to ensure internal-enemy bureaucrats can’t continue working against him. He will need unilateral authority over treaty negotiations so foreign socialists can’t hornswoggle weak American diplomats. He will need to nationalize and militarize America’s police so blue-state traitors can’t obstruct his deportation program. He needs power over the courts so partisan justices can’t misuse their bench authority to roadblock his executive orders and prevent his genius plans from coming to fruition. And on and on and on. The extent to which he _succeeds_ in expanding his powers in all these areas is the great unknown. I am not making the fatalist mistake of assuming that because Trump will _reach_ for this kind of authority, he will inevitably achieve everything he seeks. Some not, some perhaps yes, chaos certainly, it’s too early to say exactly how things will shake out. What I am arguing, strenuously, is that he will never suffer any meaningful blowback for his terrible ideas. When bad things predictably happen, it will always be someone else’s fault, and his excuses will be accepted and believed, or at least parroted, well enough to keep him insulated. It will be madness. But that’s how it will work. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/296 "2024-11-20T08:45:15Z")
I’m not blaming Trump for the current state of our currencies. I’m not even really sure inflation is a bad thing. It’s a bad thing for people holding conservatively invested currencies. But those people/companies don’t contribute anything. People in debt(aka poor people), companies in debt, for them inflation is a boon. For Apple (who are holding several 100bn) it is bad, but they were only holding on to that cash to avoid paying taxes, so fuck ‘em. For me personally, my salary is almost automatically corrected for inflation. My house still has some mortgage left. So I think a little inflation (not enough to disrupt the economy) is a benefit for me. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/297 "2024-11-20T08:56:06Z")
I know. It’s just that your comment triggered a thought so I used it as a jumping off point. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/298 "2024-11-20T08:58:55Z")
Great post! Yes, so much commentary has been based on the assumption that reality would catch up with this individual and that he would be held responsible for his disasters. And the past nine years says otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/299 "2024-11-20T11:20:33Z")
What torques me is that if he does manage to die before his sentencing and his other trials, then he will have avoided the convictions he so richly (heheheh) deserves. And, of course, The CultTM will still worship him and his legacy. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/300 "2024-11-20T12:38:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Sadly, this is demonstrably true, wholly true, and nothing but true. I’m _still_ getting people telling me the dude did not in fact say what he said. Actual conversation with a MAGA relative just about two weeks ago: “We’d have got rid of Obamacare if it weren’t for that asshole McCain” _Well, you remember he said “repeal and replace, on day one.” And to my knowledge he’s still never so much as proposed an outline of the replace part._ He never said that. And that, my friends, is a damn near verbatim retelling of the conversation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=16)