# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/381 "2024-11-24T04:38:46Z")
For OMB Director … again: > **[Russell Vought](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought)** > > Russell Thurlow Vought (born March 26, 1976), or Russ Vought is an American former government official who was the director of the Office of Management and Budget from July 2020 to January 2021. He was previously deputy director of the OMB for part of 2018, and acting director from 2019 to 2020. > After Joe Biden was elected president, Biden and his transition team accused Vought of hindering the incoming administration's transition by refusing to allow incoming Biden officials to meet with O... > **[Trump picks Project 2025 co-author Russell Vought to lead budget office](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-project-2025-russell-vought-office-management-budget-rcna181453)** > > Trump named Vought, who played a central role in designing Project 2025, to head up the Office of Management and Budget in his second term. Christian Nationalist? Project 2025?? BINGO!!! ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/382 "2024-11-24T05:04:43Z")
It’s not nominees like Hegseth, RFK Jr., and Gabbard that make me anxious. They are utter clowns who will undoubtedly fuck a lot of things up and do a lot of damage but don’t have the ability to execute any bigger plan. Vought is different. He’s intelligent, he understands how the federal bureaucracy works, and he’s 100% committed to his mission to use the levers of government to bring about his vision of a Christian Nationalist America. OMB is a unique perch for him to be able to do so. He may be the most dangerous man in the incoming Administration. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/383 "2024-11-25T08:34:06Z")
What would you think would be high on the list of things for a nominee for Secretary of Defense to talk about. No, you fool! (It really doesn’t matter what your answer was; not even Carnac the Magnificent would have gotten it.) [It is, of course, having a chain of Christian nationalist schools as boot camps for an underground army.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-defense-secretary-pick-pete-203522975.html) (The link goes to Yahoo.) > [Pete Hegseth](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/pete-hegseth), [Donald Trump’s](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/donald-trump) pick to be secretary of defense, has called for an “educational insurgency” to take over American schools in an appearance on a right-wing podcast. > > During a _CrossPolitic_ discussion about religiously affiliated schools, Hegseth explained his idea for a system of “classical Christian schools” to provide “recruits” for an underground army that could eventually launch an “educational insurgency”. > > Host Toby Sumpter said: “I think we need to be thinking in terms of these classical Christian schools are boot camps for winning back America.” > > “That’s what the crop of these classical Christian schools are gonna do in a generation,” Hegseth agreed. “Policy answers like school choice, while they’re great, that’s phase two stuff later on once the foothold has been taken, once the recruits have graduated boot camp.” > > “We call it a tactical retreat,” Hegseth continued. “We draw out in the last part of the book what an educational insurgency would look like — because I was a counterinsurgency instructor in Afghanistan — and kind of the phases that Mao [Zedong] wrote about. Wait! Did he just admit he’s cribbing from a [vapours]_communist_[/vapours]? Jesus Christ. There is nothing these fools won’t do to destroy the country. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/384 "2024-11-25T08:40:29Z")
The question isn’t what those fools won’t do to destroy the country. The real question is what we will do to _save_ the country…other than watch it happen right in front of us? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/385 "2024-11-25T10:22:59Z")
The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/386 "2024-11-25T11:34:20Z")
But who could possibly know how much manure the current crop of tyrants is? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/387 "2024-11-25T11:38:05Z")
They are 100% Bull Shit. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/388 "2024-11-25T12:30:17Z")
The percentage is well-known. The potency (toxicity) is also 100%. The only question is the quantity. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/389 "2024-11-25T13:14:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What would you think would be high on the list of things for a nominee for Secretary of Defense to talk about. No, you fool! (It really doesn’t matter what your answer was; not even Carnac the Magnificent would have gotten it.) [It is, of course, having a chain of Christian nationalist schools as boot camps for an underground army.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-defense-secretary-pick-pete-203522975.html) (The link goes to Yahoo.) > > > [Pete Hegseth](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/pete-hegseth), [Donald Trump’s](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/donald-trump) pick to be secretary of defense, has called for an “educational insurgency” to take over American schools in an appearance on a right-wing podcast. > > > > During a _CrossPolitic_ discussion about religiously affiliated schools, Hegseth explained his idea for a system of “classical Christian schools” to provide “recruits” for an underground army that could eventually launch an “educational insurgency”. > > > > Host Toby Sumpter said: “I think we need to be thinking in terms of these classical Christian schools are boot camps for winning back America.” > > > > “That’s what the crop of these classical Christian schools are gonna do in a generation,” Hegseth agreed. “Policy answers like school choice, while they’re great, that’s phase two stuff later on once the foothold has been taken, once the recruits have graduated boot camp.” > > > > “We call it a tactical retreat,” Hegseth continued. “We draw out in the last part of the book what an educational insurgency would look like — because I was a counterinsurgency instructor in Afghanistan — and kind of the phases that Mao [Zedong] wrote about. > > Wait! Did he just admit he’s cribbing from a [vapours]_communist_[/vapours]? > > Jesus Christ. There is nothing these fools won’t do to destroy the country. This is frightening. If I recall my history correctly the Nazis infiltrated schools early on albeit with a different method. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/390 "2024-11-25T14:41:38Z")
> [@Ellecram](#): > > This is frightening The extreme Christian version of an Islamic theocracy. This will be like the “New Morality” in some of Ben Bova’s novels. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/391 "2024-11-25T15:08:06Z")
If Nehemiah Scudder enters the Republican primary for 2028, I’m definitely leaving the country. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/392 "2024-11-25T16:13:50Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The real question is what we will do to _save_ the country…other than watch it happen right in front of us? I’m open to suggestions, but I don’t see any options. (not intended to be snarky) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/393 "2024-11-25T18:59:15Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > Host Toby Sumpter said: “I think we need to be thinking in terms of these classical Christian schools are boot camps for winning back America.” The thing that people need to be asking is, “Winning America back to **what**?!” Because the answer is simply that they aren’t “going back” to anything. They want to start something new and unprecedented. They are radicals trying to create a new fascist order in the country. They want to end the United States and start something brand new under their own control; “Trumplandia” or whatever the fuck it would be. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/394 "2024-11-26T04:30:56Z")
To quote Randall Terry from the 1990s: > **I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good. … Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don’t want equal time. We don’t want pluralism.** This isn’t something new, it’s just that they are getting much more power to achieve their goals, and people are actually _admitting_ it instead of screaming about Godwin. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/395 "2024-11-26T04:55:22Z")
Old MacCheater orders a tariff here, a tariff there, a tariff… NOT everywhere! He’s said nothing about ordering tariffs on Russia. But, hey, he’s protecting us from all that unfair pricing China does what with it being China. He’s also protecting American manufacturers from all those unfairly priced goods from Mexico. And lastly, he’s protecting American manufacturers from those nefarious businesses in [Let me check my notes [(actually, a link on AOL).](https://www.aol.com/news/trump-ups-ante-tariffs-vowing-001501327.html)] Canada. > President-elect [Donald Trump](https://www.cnn.com/politics/president-donald-trump-47?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo) on Monday promised massive hikes in tariffs on goods coming from Mexico, Canada and China starting on the first day of his administration, a policy that could sharply increase costs for American businesses and consumers. > > The move, Trump said, will be in retaliation for illegal immigration and “crime and drugs” coming across the border. > “On January 20th, as one of my many first Executive Orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders,” Trump [posted](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113546215051155542) on his Truth Social platform. “This Tariff will remain in effect until such time as Drugs, in particular Fentanyl, and all Illegal Aliens stop this Invasion of our Country!” I already knew he knows nothing about math, but now I know he can’t count. “Many first executive orders”? And that border with Canada. Wow! That has to be one of the best kept secrets of all time how people and drugs are just illegally flowing southward into the United States. Wait until he finds out how much of every automobile manufactured in the United States is made in Canada. That 25% tariff, which he no doubt believes Canada will be paying, is going to make the price of cars skyrocket. And then there will be the inevitable retalitory tariffs Canada levies on US goods. That will really help American businesses! ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/396 "2024-11-26T06:29:40Z")
> In another post to his social media platform, Trump said [China had failed to follow through](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/113546215408213585) on promises to institute the death penalty for traffickers of fentanyl: “Drugs are pouring into our Country, mostly through Mexico, at levels never seen before.” [https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/11/25/congress/trumps-tariff-threat-00191615](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/11/25/congress/trumps-tariff-threat-00191615) Has Trump mentioned any proposals for death for drug traffickers in the U.S.? ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/397 "2024-11-26T12:24:41Z")
I know this makes me an asshole, but I’m so disappointed in the demographics of who voted for him that I actually kinda hope he fucks the whole thing up. I’m in a fortunate position and not worried about my own financial well being. Sometimes people need to get what they ask for, so that just maybe they won’t ask for it again. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/398 "2024-11-26T12:28:18Z")
I have _zero_ sympathy for anyone who voted for him, and it would only be karma if they suffered due to their own stupidity and malice. They decided to inflict misery and death on millions of people, what they did is unforgivable. It’s just unfortunate that their victims will suffer along with them. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/399 "2024-11-26T13:23:02Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Sometimes people need to get what they ask for, so that just maybe they won’t ask for it again. Yep. And I am going to helpfully point it out to them as well. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/400 "2024-11-26T13:36:09Z")
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