# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 214
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4321 "2025-04-24T19:12:35Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Wouldn’t the Dept. of _Transportation_ make more sense? Dept. of _Portation_ since trans do not exist. Though I’m holding out for the Dept. of Xportation! Hi Elon! ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4322 "2025-04-24T19:20:47Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Though I’m holding out for the Dept. of Xportation! Hi Elon! Now I’m wondering if Trump and Musk have created a clandestine Dept. of Xploitation to fleece money from the country. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4323 "2025-04-24T20:52:48Z")
I asked ChatGpt for an analysis of the answer, and for its thoughts on the intelligence of the person giving the answer. This was its reply: > That answer is highly disorganized, rambling, and filled with non-sequiturs and digressions. From a purely communication and reasoning standpoint, it shows: > > - **Lack of clear structure** — The speaker jumps from topic to topic (e.g., from team names to quarterbacks’ family members) with no clear logic. > - **Repetition and filler** — Words and phrases like “uh,” “you know,” and repeated references to people not central to the question indicate difficulty in focusing. > - **Vague references** — Terms like “they” are used without clarification, making the argument hard to follow. > - **Poor articulation of a position** — The main point (about team names and heritage) is buried under unrelated commentary. > > ### Based on that: > > - **IQ Estimate** : It would be unfair to assign an IQ score based on a single unstructured spoken response, especially without context like the person’s background, stress level, or speaking style. But the way the answer is delivered would **not** suggest particularly high verbal reasoning or clarity of thought — qualities typically associated with high IQ. > - **College Graduate?** Possibly, but not necessarily. The language and structure are not what you’d expect from someone with strong academic training in communication, critical thinking, or public speaking. > - **Intelligence?** Intelligence is multifaceted — this response shows poor verbal reasoning, but it doesn’t conclusively speak to the person’s intelligence in other areas like social or practical intelligence. However, based solely on this answer, one might **not** assume the speaker is particularly analytical or articulate. > > **TL;DR:** The answer sounds like it’s coming from someone who’s not especially articulate or focused — not necessarily unintelligent, but certainly not showcasing strong reasoning or communication skills in that moment. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4324 "2025-04-24T20:58:03Z")
I put in an answer [Barack Obama gave during an interview while he was still a Senator.](https://www.jfklibrary.org/events-and-awards/kennedy-library-forums/past-forums/transcripts/a-conversation-with-barack-obama-transcript) I asked for a similar analysis as well as a comparison to the person who gave the answer to the football question. > This response is a strong contrast to the one about the Washington Commanders, both in content and delivery. Here’s an analysis based on clarity, reasoning, and expression: > > * * * > > ### **IQ and Cognitive Indicators** > > - **High Verbal Intelligence** : The speaker articulates complex ideas fluently, using abstract reasoning, analogies, and historical context. This indicates a **high verbal IQ** , likely in the **top quartile (above 120)** or even higher. > - **Structured Thinking** : The response is organized, progresses logically, and connects multiple topics (citizenship, economic disparity, political engagement, foreign policy) into a coherent narrative. That shows **strong executive functioning and critical thinking skills**. > - **Analytical Depth** : There’s a clear effort to move beyond surface-level talking points — the speaker diagnoses problems (like political disengagement and dishonest debate), references historical precedents (e.g., Marshall Plan, Truman era), and emphasizes civic responsibility. This is typical of someone with **graduate-level education or equivalent intellectual discipline**. > > * * * > > ### **Likely Educational Background** > > - Almost certainly a **college graduate** , and likely **advanced degree holder** (JD, MA, PhD, etc.). > - The reference to writing a book and citing historical events with fluency suggests a person who has **studied policy, law, or history** at a high level. > > * * * > > ### **Comparison to the First Speaker (Football Team Name Answer)** > > | Trait | First Speaker (Football) | Second Speaker (Citizenship) | > | --- | --- | --- | > | **Clarity** | Rambling, unfocused | Clear, structured | > | **Reasoning** | Repetitive, emotional appeal | Analytical, historical context | > | **Vocabulary** | Simple, repetitive | Rich, precise | > | **Education level** | Possibly high school or some college | College graduate, likely advanced degree | > | **Verbal IQ estimate** | Below average to average (~90–105) | High to very high (possibly 125–140+) | > > * * * > > ### **Conclusion** > > The second speaker is very likely an intelligent, well-educated individual, possibly with professional experience in law, academia, or policy. The first speaker, by contrast, displays less clarity of thought and communication skill, which suggests lower formal education or cognitive performance in verbal domains. > > If you’re curious — the second response is consistent in tone and quality with someone like **Barack Obama** in interviews or public discussions. I miss our pre-clusterfuck times. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2025, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4325 "2025-04-24T22:44:29Z")
We all do. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4326 "2025-04-25T02:01:32Z")
He did pronounce “Massapequa” correctly. No clue why some High School team on Long Island was part of this string of verbal garbage. It’s an Algonquin name (as there were many tribes once on Long Island it’s generally okay to consider them all Algonquin). Perhaps close to the majority of town names on Long Island are Algonquin: Montauk, Ammagansett, Quoge and many more. Some few remain with their Dutch names, yet the rest are boring British or American names. Of course I want to boo the Chiefs. They were a neighboring main competitor against my high school football Team at Farmingdale High, with the not too offensive name ''Dalers" Whatever drugs Trump is on are not helping. Cognitively he is not all there (I mean…less so…) - in a different way than I saw in Biden and Reagan II. I don’t know if he _has_ to take the “Quebec Cognitive Test” (man, woman, TV) and what happens if he’s loony toons. His doctor is too. He’s the fittest, healthiest President to ever walk the Earth. The 25th has only been used for medical reasons: Colonoscopies and such. There is no way it will be used in the way it was meant, which ought to have been recognized by the writers of it. Essentially, the secondary leadership execute what could be described as a coup d’etat. Any of the “cohorts” could “tell” on the VP and that won’t go over well. “Captain, you are insane. I am relieving you of duty till the doctor checks you out.” Even if that could be done, retribution and revenge are trumps favourite dishes to serve. Hot. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4327 "2025-04-25T02:27:29Z")
> [@Topologist](#): > > To add a little bit of context: What Trump likely had on his mind (I know) was a controversy on Long Island he’s recently stuck his nose in: > > [President Donald Trump says Massapequa school district should keep its mascot, team name - Newsday](https://www.newsday.com/long-island/education/massapequa-mascot-president-trump-b2gt4fzc) > > (Not sure if that’s paywalled or not.) The NY Board of Regents has required all public schools using American Indian-related team names and mascots to change them. Some schools did so, some objected, but the courts have sided with the Board. Nm, it’s getting late ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4328 "2025-04-25T02:38:18Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [The shell game with humans continues, but with a twist.](https://us.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-says-sent-4-140223976.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > The [Trump administration](https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/trump-administration) is acknowledging it deported four noncitizens to El Salvador despite a court order barring the removal of people to countries other than their place of origin without an opportunity to raise concerns about their safety. > > > > In a series of court filings overnight, Justice Department lawyers argued that the court order was not violated because the removal of four alleged members of the Venezuelan gang [Tren de Aragua](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/documents-show-trump-admin-identifies-venezuelan-gang-members/story?id=120319762) was carried out by the Department of Defense – not the Department of Homeland Security, which is a defendant in the lawsuit. > > I now this is The BBQ Pit, but anything I would have to say about this would certainly violate the Board rules. They’re going to be deporting people from 3rd party countries to Rwanda now. > **[Trump Finds Another Country to Accept His Mass Deportations](https://newrepublic.com/post/194312/trump-deportation-rwanda)** > > Amid the fury over Trump’s deportations to El Salvador, the administration just deported someone to Rwanda. And no, he’s not from there. And (this one is a few months old but I don’t recall hearing about it) they sent a bunch of people from 3rd party countries to a jungle camp in Panama. > **[Migrants in limbo in Panama jungle camp after being deported...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/migrants-limbo-panama-jungle-camp-deported-us-rcna194159)** > > Lawyers for migrants from around the world say they have been unable to communicate with their clients since they arrived there. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4329 "2025-04-25T02:50:44Z")
Yeah Newsday has long been paywalled. Thanks for the context. Massapequa is the home of the Baldwin brothers - yet Baldwin is another town on Long Island. So I’ll pick up the fight (just for Long Island) (dunno the mascot or their anti-native practices) - **Sachem East Arrows** - **Sachem North Flaming Arrows** “Sachem” means “Chief” - **Bay Shore Marauders** - **Brentwood Indians** - \*\* East Islip Redmen\*\* No prob with Marauders, other than that sounds cool. I hope not offensive. Up to Brentwood and East Islip what to choose. If the NY Regents - if the now leaderless DOGE boys want me to assess team name and offensiveness, they will be invoiced. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4330 "2025-04-25T03:13:59Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > Whatever drugs Trump is on are not helping. There’s been a meme/joke out there for years that whatever the dosage is for the drugs Trump’s taking, it’s either too much or not enough. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4331 "2025-04-25T03:27:20Z")
> **['Vladimir, STOP!' says Trump as Putin launches worst attack on Ukraine in months](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-trump-zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-kyiv-kharkiv-war-peace-crimea-rcna202736)** > > For Ukraine and its supporters, the attacks symbolized the hypocrisy of Russia’s position. Trump described the bombardment as "not necessary" and "very bad timing." Calling Putin “Vladimir” in his post is an odd word choice. Is he really so stupid as to believe he has a personal relationship with him? I do realize that any question that starts with is Trump stupid enough … can be answered in the affirmative. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanubv.2/32/3260_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUBv.2)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4332 "2025-04-25T04:07:04Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > Calling Putin “Vladimir” in his post is an odd word choice. Is he really so stupid as to believe he has a personal relationship with him? It comes off as unnatural at best, and seems really inappropriate. I can’t decide if, as you say, he thinks they’re buds, and he’s showing off? The first time I read it, I heard it in my head as a female voice pretending to ward off her lover, 1950s style. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4333 "2025-04-25T10:33:05Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > Doesn’t Disney already have an audioanimatronic Trump in its _Hall of Presidents_? The article speculates (though without a cite) that Disney may remove the speaking role traditionally reserved for the sitting president. I’d love to see that happen, if only to watch the faux outrage from the MAGATs, most of whom wouldn’t be caught dead inside the Hall of Presidents anyway, lest they accidentally learn something. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4334 "2025-04-25T15:16:05Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@OldOlds](#): > > > > ### ✍ Summary: > > > > This statement is **not well-written**. It would benefit greatly from: > > > > - Clearer sentence structure > > - Logical flow of ideas > > - Removal of filler words and repetition > > - A more thoughtful and informed tone, especially when discussing marginalized communities > > - The speaker just shutting the fuck up. That has been my fervent hope for almost a decade now. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4335 "2025-04-25T15:50:22Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > The first time I read it, I heard it in my head as a female voice pretending to ward off her lover, 1950s style. Hehe, a homosexual friend of mine described “Vladimir, STOP!” as “just the faggiest quote”. I hadn’t thought of it that way, but now I can’t help but hear it that way. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4336 "2025-04-25T16:03:54Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUBv.2](#): > > The first time I read it, I heard it in my head as a female voice pretending to ward off her lover, 1950s style. Reading this comment, I visualized Trump extending his arm out, his palm facing Putin while tossing his hair as he looks away and breathily says “Stop!” Something like Trump-as-Ilsa and Putin-as-Rick in this _[Casablanca](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_uINM_XI6I)_ scene. Thanks a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4337 "2025-04-25T16:08:52Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > his palm facing Putin while tossing his hair as he looks away and breathily says “Stop!” Something like Trump-as-Ilsa and Putin-as-Rick in this _[Casablanca](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_uINM_XI6I)_ scene. Or like Diana Ross. “Stop!.. in the naaaaaame of love” ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4338 "2025-04-25T18:04:35Z")
Did Trump forget the safe word? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4339 "2025-04-25T18:11:08Z")
It’s camera, TV, woman or …jeeze I forget. ---
**Author:** ![vbob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vbob/32/4439_2.png) [@vbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vbob)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/4340 "2025-04-25T18:22:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Clearly we need an AI robot to to edit trump’s speeches. Or how about to replace trump as president? Does Disney still build audioanimatronic Presidents? Or do we need to use Kickstarter? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=213) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=215)