# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 271
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5462 "2025-06-04T22:28:03Z")
The Navy was really going to name some ship “Harvey Milk?” Surely these sorts of decisions come firstly under the purvey of The Secretary of the Navy yet also whatever Hegseth is. I’d have counseled that this is the wrong administration to allow to pass rules or whatever against stuff like the naming of ships. And were I the Secretary of the Navy, Hegseth would have my resignation signed and on his desk. I reckon there are too many top military guys who really want to meet some calendar date where they get the most money. I dunno how Colin Powell bought into the yellowcake thing and testified about it, yet textbook example of how to torpedo your career (as he was either Army or Marine not sure what word is more applicable). So there’s this, which I didn’t see mentioned (my pardons if it has): > **[Trump says Putin told him he ‘has to respond’ to Ukraine drone strikes](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-putin-call-ukraine-strikes-b2763765.html)** > > Trump says he also discussed ongoing talks on Iran’s nuclear program with the Russian leader Firstly (from the article) what is a “suicide drone”? I suppose I naively thought the launchees of drones did not necessarily expect them to return. So are these things packed with some massive payload and crashing into their target is much worse than merely shooting hellfire missiles (or whatever Russia or Ukraine has) at them? And why inform Trump? Is it just about using tiny nukes so no worries? Is it hypersonic misses to Odessa and Kiev? Is Putin going to inform Trump that Fiinland has more of Karelia than he’d like them to have? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5463 "2025-06-04T23:07:03Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > The Navy was really going to name some ship “Harvey Milk?” Surely these sorts of decisions come firstly under the purvey of The Secretary of the Navy yet also whatever Hegseth is. Not just “was really going to name some ship ‘Harvey Milk’” – it was already done, in 2016. And, yes, that naming was done by the then-Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus. The _[Harvey Milk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Harvey_Milk)_ (which went into service in 2023) is a member of the [_John Lewis_ class of “replenishment oiler” ships](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis-class_replenishment_oiler), and Mabus began the tradition of naming the class after prominent civil rights leaders (including Lewis). For what it’s worth, Milk served in the U.S. Navy during the Korean War; as a lieutenant (junior grade) in 1955, he was forced to accept a less-than-honorable discharge, rather than being court-martialed, due to his homosexuality. Other ships in the class, besides the John Lewis and Harvey Milk, include the Earl Warren, the Robert F. Kennedy, the Lucy Stone, the Sojourner Truth, the Thurgood Marshall, the Ruth Ginsburg (those last two still under construction), the Harriet Tubman and the Dolores Huerta (those final two on order). One would suspect that, given the Trump Administration’s hatred of DEI, civil rights, and brown people, they’re going to try to rename most of those other ships, too. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5464 "2025-06-04T23:25:20Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > Is Putin going to inform Trump that Fiinland has more of Karelia than he’d like them to have? Or that Norway is part of Murmansk Oblast? > [@WH gape-mouth Leavitt](#): > > … _these are two countries that are at war and have been for a long time because of_ (Joe the President)_’s weakness and incompetence_ ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5465 "2025-06-04T23:34:28Z")
Class action lawsuit by folks let go based on “hopelessly error-ridden” “data” (my quotes around data) > **[Lawsuit: DOGE, HHS used “hopelessly error-ridden” data to fire 10,000 workers](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/06/lawsuit-doge-hhs-used-hopelessly-error-ridden-data-to-fire-10000-workers/)** > > Firing spree allegedly based on incorrect employee scores and other basic errors. Brian ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5466 "2025-06-04T23:41:13Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > One would suspect that, given the Trump Administration’s hatred of DEI, civil rights, and brown people, they’re going to try to rename most of those other ships, too. I’m surprised they haven’t ordered the USS John S. McCain used for torpedo practice already. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5467 "2025-06-05T00:08:09Z")
[Boulder suspect’s family members facing expeditious deportation because they do not currently have valid visas.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/family-colorado-attack-suspect-taken-175436432.html) > [@](#): > > The family of the Egyptian national charged with attempted murder after an [antisemitic Molotov cocktail attack](https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/03/us/details-colorado-protest-attack?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo)in Boulder, Colorado, has been taken into ICE custody, according to the Department of Homeland Security. > > The suspected attacker, [Mohamed Soliman](https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/02/us/boulder-colorado-antisemitic-attack-mohamed-soliman-invs?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo), has a wife and five children, all of whom are now facing expedited removal from the US, the White House said in a post on X. The six family members are being held in Florence, Colorado. > > As of late Tuesday, a law enforcement source said immigration officials planned to transfer the detained family members to an immigration detention facility in Texas as they await final expulsion proceedings. It remains unclear to which country the family might be deported, the source said. And why don’t they have valid visas? > [@](#): > > The State Department also revoked the visas of [Soliman’s](https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/02/us/boulder-colorado-antisemitic-attack-mohamed-soliman-invs?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo) wife and children following the attack, according to a DHS official. Do you remember the good old days when we had due process? How many decades ago was that? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5468 "2025-06-05T00:11:40Z")
I believe we had it way back 0.05 decades ago ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5469 "2025-06-05T00:13:12Z")
I’m sure there are concerned Republicans across the nation. Ha hahaha! ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5470 "2025-06-05T02:31:13Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > I reckon there are too many top military guys who really want to meet some calendar date where they get the most money. I dunno how Colin Powell bought into the yellowcake thing and testified about it, yet textbook example of how to torpedo your career (as he was either Army or Marine not sure what word is more applicable). It’s worth remembering that Colin Powell was the person who led the cover-up of the My-Lai massacre. By the time of the Bush administration, he didn’t have any honor to compromise. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5471 "2025-06-05T07:32:08Z")
[Ah, finally, just a tetch more “every accusation is a confession” news re the cluster.](https://www.aol.com/news/trump-directs-probe-bidens-autopen-030440981.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. President Donald Trump directed his White House counsel on Wednesday to investigate whether former President Joe Biden’s aides covered up alleged mental decline and unlawfully used an autopen on Biden’s behalf to sign policy documents. > > Biden, who is fighting cancer, said he was responsible for the decisions made during his administration and suggested Trump’s move was designed to distract Americans from a bill in Congress that would extend tax cuts for the wealthy. > > Republican Trump has long asserted that Biden, a Democrat who defeated him in the 2020 presidential election, was mentally incompetent and has suggested the use of a mechanical pen to sign memos, executive orders and grants of clemency during Biden’s four-year-term may have been improper, potentially rendering them invalid. > > In a statement late on Wednesday, Biden dismissed those suggestions. > > “Let me be clear: I made the decisions during my presidency. I made the decisions about the pardons, executive orders, legislation, and proclamations. Any suggestion that I didn’t is ridiculous and false," he said in a statement. > > Biden’s team said the use of an autopen is a well established legal practice following a presidential decision. And the accufession! > [@](#): > > “In recent months, it has become increasingly apparent that former President Biden’s aides abused the power of Presidential signatures through the use of an autopen to conceal Biden’s cognitive decline,” the memo said. “There are serious doubts as to the decision making process and even the degree of Biden’s awareness of … actions being taken in his name.” > > A senior official in Trump’s Justice Department told staff on Monday that he has been directed to investigate whether Biden was competent and whether others had taken advantage of him through the use of an autopen when he granted clemency to members of his family and death row inmates at the end of his term. [May the odds be with you! Or you just might die from lack of care.](https://www.aol.com/nearly-11-million-americans-lose-192625589.html) > [@](#): > > About 10.9 million Americans would lose health insurance coverage under the President [Donald Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/donald-trump/)’s tax cut bill that cleared the House but faces a tough test in the Senate, a new analysis shows. > > The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said about 10.9 million Americans would lose health insurance coverage through 2034 under the bill, including 1.4 million undocumented residents who get coverage through state-funded programs. > > The legislation that cleared the House would require nondisabled Americans on Medicaid to work at least 80 hours per month or qualify for an exemption, such as being a student or caregiver. The bill also would strip coverage to immigrants who get Medicaid through state-funded programs. [The felon returns one “mistakenly deported” person. But that Garcia guy? Fuck him.](https://www.aol.com/news/trump-administration-returns-migrant-hastily-214847348.html) > [@](#): > > A Guatemalan national who says he was wrongfully deported to Mexico is back in the United States, his legal team told CNN, in what [appears to mark the first time](https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/28/politics/guatemalan-migrant-deported-mexico-trump-administration-return?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo)the Trump administration has brought back a migrant after a [judge ordered the administration](https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/24/us/deported-man-return-ordered-guatemala-hnk?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo) to facilitate their return. > > O.C.G., a pseudonym the migrant is using in the case, landed in the United States on Wednesday and made contact with a member of the litigation team challenging the Trump administration’s moves to [send migrants to countries where they have no ties](https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/04/politics/migrants-el-salvador-alien-enemies-act?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo), according to Trina Realmuto, executive director of the National Immigration Litigation Alliance. > > He is now in Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s custody, Realmuto told CNN. > > The Trump administration said in court filings last week that it was “working” on flying back O.C.G. after resisting similar orders to facilitate deported migrants’ returns in other cases. I refuse to quote the utter bullshit the article quoted. Feel free to read it yourself. make sure you’ve some brain floss handy, though. [Egyptian commits act of terror and in reponse to that, using that attack as justification, the felon issues a list of countries whose citizens are banned from the United States of America. Egypt, of course, is _not_ on that list.](https://www.aol.com/trump-announces-travel-ban-affecting-235257056.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (AP) — President [Donald Trump](https://apnews.com/hub/donald-trump) on Wednesday resurrected a hallmark policy of his first term, announcing that citizens of 12 countries would be banned from visiting the United States and those from seven others would face restrictions. > > The ban takes effect Monday at 12:01 a.m., a cushion that may avoid the chaos that unfolded at airports nationwide when a similar measure took effect with virtually no notice in 2017. Trump, who signaled plans for a new ban upon taking office in January, appears to be on firmer ground this time after the Supreme Court sided with him. > > Some, but not all, 12 countries also appeared on the list of banned countries in Trump’s first term. The new ban includes Afghanistan, Myanmar, Chad, the Republic of Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Haiti, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. > > There will be heightened restrictions on visitors from Burundi, Cuba, Laos, Sierra Leone, Togo, Turkmenistan and Venezuela. > > In a video released on social media, Trump tied the new ban to Sunday’s terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, saying it underscored the dangers posed by some visitors [who overstay visas](https://apnews.com/article/immigration-visas-soliman-colorado-attack-81f44b98365adc01b1ff418a1885a1c6). The suspect in the attack is from Egypt, a country that is not on Trump’s restricted list. That’s enough for today. I’m getting depressed from the bullshit blizzard. (And my Internet connection is too iffy today.) ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5472 "2025-06-05T07:39:21Z")
@Monty, may I just extend a big hug and thank-you for keeping us in the loop with all the shitfuckery going on. I really appreciate your posts and the links, because without them, I’d be pretty much in the dark. We only hear the ‘headlines’ here in Australia, but it’s folks like you who actually fill in the details. Take a bow Monty, you deserve it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5473 "2025-06-05T08:17:09Z")
Hear, hear! Thanks from me also, Monty! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5474 "2025-06-05T08:21:03Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > @Monty, may I just extend a big hug and thank-you for keeping us in the loop with all the shitfuckery going on. I really appreciate your posts and the links, because without them, I’d be pretty much in the dark. We only hear the ‘headlines’ here in Australia, but it’s folks like you who actually fill in the details. > > Take a bow Monty, you deserve it. 🙂 > [@Spoons](#): > > Hear, hear! Thanks from me also, Monty! 🙇‍♂️ I’m sure you’ve heard the expression, _“The Devil is in the details”_. Now we know why that expression is the way it is. ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5475 "2025-06-05T08:40:43Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > Yet outside of nukes, the USA should still be a force to be reckoned with (hey the UK still is) in 100 years. Like the old Chinese proverb says, “in America they think 1,000 kilometres is a long way, and in America they think 1,000 years is a long time.” ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5476 "2025-06-05T10:35:39Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > Like the old Chinese proverb says, “in America they think 1,000 kilometres is a long way, and in America they think 1,000 years is a long time.” You’re already asking too much if you expect the average American to know any more than 1,000 kilometers is some European invention and is less than 1,000 miles. And if you say 25 C° most will ask “No, what’s the temperature in American?” It may well be Trump has put the USA on the slippery slope into ruin. Yet things like NAFTA started in 1994 yet was put into motion by GHW Bush. The extent the democrats could have undone it I’m unsure of. Was that why small hardware, clothing and other “town shops” closed in favor of Wal-Mart or was that because China was selling stuff cheaper (not many care if a hammer is Stanley or from China if it’s half the price) The manufacturing jobs, for the most part, are gone for good. Yet the USA still has Hollywood, Disneyland, Manhattan, Broadway and some nice national parks. I dunno how long the “non citizen” line is at JFK yet I’d wager a lot shorter than the last time I flew in (US Citizen) 10 years ago. I’ve heard a similar saying in the UK: “The British think 100 miles is a long distance - Americans think 100 years is a long time” yet it’s at least 20 years old and I can’t find any particular origin of it. Yet it is indeed true (unless you’re fortunate enough in the UK to be on a Motorway that long, 100 miles will be closer to 3 if not 4 hours) . ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5477 "2025-06-05T10:46:00Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > Was that why small hardware, clothing and other “town shops” closed in favor of Wal-Mart or was that because China was selling stuff cheaper (not many care if a hammer is Stanley or from China if it’s half the price) Neither. It’s because Wal-Mart used predatory business practices (like selling below cost) to drive their smaller rivals out of business and then raised prices once those rivals were gone. > [@Coriolanus](#): > > The manufacturing jobs, for the most part, are gone for good. Yet the USA still has Hollywood, Disneyland, Manhattan, Broadway and some nice national parks. All of which the Republicans hate. Once they shut down or censor Disney and Hollywood into irrelevance they won’t matter, and once the National Parks are clearcut, strip mined and filled with toxic waste out of sheer _spite,_ no one will want to go there. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5478 "2025-06-05T12:38:00Z")
Renaming a boat is often viewed as “tempting fate” or “risking the wrath of the sea gods”. Sailors historically believed that mishaps at sea could be attributed to various factors, including renaming a boat without proper rituals. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5479 "2025-06-05T13:16:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And the accufession! > [@Monty](#): > > [quoting memo] “There are serious doubts as to the decision making process and even the degree of Biden’s awareness of … actions being taken in his name.” Yep. How many times have we seen Trump sign an Executive Order and then have his aide explain to him what he just signed? Someone did a mashup video of this but I can’t find it with a quick search. Not really surperising since he can’t even read the one-page of bullet points that passes for the PDB now. Maybe they’ll start explaining his orders to him in Fox News-type videos. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5480 "2025-06-05T13:42:03Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > including renaming a boat without proper rituals. I’m sure once Hegseth google’s every boat not named for a President (assuming he knows more than 30 of them), he will of course read “Neptune’s guide to Sea Lore” and follow your advice. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5481 "2025-06-05T13:56:58Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > Like the old Chinese proverb says, “in America they think 1,000 kilometres is a long way Are you sure you don’t mean Europe? Because 600 miles isn’t that big of a deal. Heck, L.A. to Las Vegas is only about 400 km, which is almost half of 1,000 km and people drive it every day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=270) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=272)