# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 276
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5562 "2025-06-08T03:09:35Z")
Yeah, at this point, any visual evidence will be immediately dismissed as a deepfake or AI-generated. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5563 "2025-06-08T03:35:44Z")
Very likely. Just one more way Trump has corroded, even endangered, American democracy: hard truths can be instantly rejected as “fake news.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5564 "2025-06-08T04:59:39Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Just one more way Trump has corroded, even endangered, American democracy Another way is how he’s gotten his minions, both in political office and the magaflatearther on the street, to proudly proclaim the United States of America is not a democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5565 "2025-06-08T08:48:08Z")
[Big Baby might need Big Daddy’s help to rescue American astronauts.](https://autos.yahoo.com/musk-really-did-strand-astronauts-173742908.html) > [@](#): > > The spat between Elon Musk and Donald Trump over the President’s “[big, beautiful bill](https://autos.yahoo.com/donald-trump-elon-musks-relationship-142759744.html)” reached a public boiling point on Thursday with a flurry of furiously typed social media posts. In one post, [the SpaceX CEO](https://autos.yahoo.com/public-opinion-turned-tesla-spacex-182500069.html) threatened to immediately decommission the company’s Dragon spacecraft. With the Boeing Starliner still struggling to be certified to fly, the threat poses a unique dilemma for NASA because the Crew Dragon is the agency’s only means of shuttling astronauts to and from the International Space Station. & > [@](#): > > NASA’s emergency option isn’t a desirable one; Russia. In the nine-year gap between the Space Shuttle’s final mission in 2011 and the SpaceX Crew-1 flight, America’s space agency relied on Roscosmos to get astronauts to the ISS. NASA would have to cut a deal with Russia’s space program to schedule a Soyuz launch to complete the crew rotation. [The felon’s still gunning for the DoE.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-asks-supreme-court-151614903.html) > [@](#): > > The Trump administration [asked the Supreme Court](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25965372-24a1203/) on Friday to allow it to resume gutting the Education Department after a lower court judge blocked the efforts. > > Trump campaigned on abolishing the department, and his administration since taking office has looked to gut its workforce and operations. > > U.S. District Judge Myong Joun last month [blocked the efforts](https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-trump-layoffs-order-151725397.html), ordering the administration to reinstate nearly 1,400 laid off employees and take other actions to reverse the president’s directives. > > “Each day this preliminary injunction remains in effect subjects the Executive Branch to judicial micromanagement of its day-to-day operations,” Solicitor General D. John Sauer wrote in the new application. > > It marks the Trump administration’s 19th emergency plea to the Supreme Court since taking office. I should note that if in the space of five months, you need to request relief from court orders for your behavior, maybe, just maybe, your behavior is a problem. [Speaking of problematic behavior](https://www.yahoo.com/news/dhs-wants-national-guard-search-034817419.html), let’s have the **National Guard** go on a hunt for unaccompanied children, round them up, and ship them to parts uknown. > [@](#): > > A Department of Homeland Security request for 21,000 National Guard troops to support “expansive interior immigration enforcement operations” includes a call for troops to search for unaccompanied children in some cases and transport them between states, three sources briefed on the plan told NBC News. > > Having National Guard troops perform such tasks, which are not explained in detail in the DHS request, has prompted concern among Democrats in Congress and some military and law enforcement officials. > > The tasks are laid out in a May 9 request for assistance from the Department of Homeland Security to the Pentagon. The document states that “this represents the first formal request by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for the deployment of National Guard personnel in support of interior immigration enforcement operations.” Cadet Bonespurs sure does love throwing the military around, doesn’t he? [And his flunky Pete wants to send in the Marines](https://www.yahoo.com/news/stephen-miller-calls-mass-la-213239064.html). > [@](#): > > Defense Secretary [Pete Hegseth](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/pete-hegseth) threatened to activate the U.S. Marine Corps if protests in L.A. persisted. [On Saturday evening he tweeted](https://x.com/petehegseth/status/1931533276985823392?s=46&t=exjh3jaIPn9LJ3WsWSVrrg): “Under President Trump, violence & destruction against federal agents & federal facilities will NOT be tolerated. It’s COMMON SENSE. The @DeptofDefense is mobilizing the [National Guard](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/national-guard) IMMEDIATELY to support federal [law enforcement](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/law-enforcement) in Los Angeles. And, if violence continues, active duty Marines at Camp Pendleton will also be mobilized — they are on high alert.” [Here’s a fun read about the legality of the felon federalizing the California National Guard.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/legal-issues-raised-trump-sending-031916485.html) > [@](#): > > The Trump administration announced Saturday that National Guard troops were being sent to Los Angeles — an action Gov. Gavin Newsom said he opposed. President Trump is activating the Guard by using powers that have been invoked only rarely. & > [@](#): > > Erwin Chemerinsky, one of the nation’s leading constitutional law scholars, said “for the federal government to take over the California National Guard, without the request of the governor, to put down protests is truly chilling.” > > “It is using the military domestically to stop dissent,” said Chemerinsky, dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law. “It certainly sends a message as to how this administration is going to respond to protests. It is very frightening to see this done.” Besides the illegality of this stunt, it also shows that the felon-in-chief very well could have called out the Washington DC National Guard _at any damn time he wanted to_ way back on January 6, 2021. Of course the driving force behind [this executive order](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-executive-order-takes-steps-230222022.html) is Biden and Obama issued orders which this one modifies. > [@](#): > > The Trump administration announced Friday it is amending “problematic elements” of two landmark cybersecurity executive orders — though the extent of the changes in many cases appears modest. > > The modifications are part of a new executive order signed Friday by President Donald Trump. The [full text of the EO](https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/06/sustaining-select-efforts-to-strengthen-the-nations-cybersecurity-and-amending-executive-order-13694-and-executive-order-14144/) was released Friday afternoon, and the Trump administration first [outlined details of the order in a White House](https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/06/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-reprioritizes-cybersecurity-efforts-to-protect-america/) fact sheet. > > The fact sheet says the new order takes aim at two previous EOs focused on cybersecurity — one [signed by former President Joe Biden in January](https://subscriber.politicopro.com/article/2025/01/biden-to-sign-executive-order-strengthening-nations-cybersecurity-after-string-of-chinese-hacks-00198553) just before leaving office, and one by former President Barack Obama in 2015. > > The order outlines a potentially weighty change: the new EO would change the Obama-era order — which allows for sanctions on individuals behind cyberattacks on U.S. critical infrastructure — by limiting it "only to foreign malicious actors” and clarifying “that sanctions do not apply to election-related activities.” > > While the fact sheet on the EO points to limiting sanctions against those interfering in U.S. elections, the text does not mention this, clarifying that only “foreign persons” can be targeted by sanctions for attacking critical infrastructure. Note also the fact sheet is not factual. [The felonials are feuding with the mayor of Los Angeles now (again? still?)](https://www.yahoo.com/news/social-media-trump-admin-erupts-155545283.html) > [@](#): > > Democratic [Los Angeles](https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/los-angeles) Mayor Karen Bass faced backlash on social media Friday, including from members of the Trump administration, for pushing back on Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids targeting illegal immigrants in her city. > > “This morning, we received reports of federal immigration enforcement actions in multiple locations in Los Angeles,” Bass said in a statement on Friday. > > “As Mayor of a proud city of immigrants, who contribute to our city in so many ways, I am deeply angered by what has taken place. These tactics sow terror in our communities and disrupt basic principles of safety in our city. My Office is in close coordination with immigrant rights community organizations. We will not stand for this.” & > [@](#): > > “You have no say in this at all,” White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller [posted on X.](https://x.com/StephenM/status/1931134396796477811) “Federal law is supreme and federal law will be enforced.” > > “It’s amazing the number of elected officials who don’t grasp the basics of federalism, or federal sovereignty over immigration issues, or the First Amendment,” Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Justice Harmeet Dhillon [posted on X.](https://x.com/HarmeetKDhillon/status/1931153684794105921) > > “They’re Illegals,” Deputy Assistant to the President Sebastian Gorka [posted on X](https://x.com/SebGorka/status/1931165615223640384). “Not ‘immigrants.’ One just tried to burn Americans alive in Boulder. If you’re aiding and abetting them you’re a criminal too. Are you ready to be treated as a criminal? Because we are ready to treat you as one if you commit a crime.” Gorka’s main boss is a criminal. I wonder why he doesn’t remember that. [Harvard vs Trump, Harvard in the lead](https://www.yahoo.com/news/harvard-challenges-trump-proclamation-suspend-223547766.html) > [@](#): > > A federal judge has halted President Donald Trump’s latest attempt to block international students from coming to Harvard University. > > The temporary restraining order issued late Thursday by US District Judge Allison Burroughs came hours after the university urged the judge to step in on an emergency basis to block a proclamation Trump signed a day earlier that suspends international visas for new students. Foreign students make up roughly a quarter of the student body. > > The brief order from Burroughs said if she didn’t intervene now, the school would “sustain immediate and irreparable injury before there is an opportunity to hear from all parties” over the challenge to Trump’s edict. The judge said her order “shall remain in effect until further order of this Court.” “But her emails!” [Yeah, right.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-doge-goons-surreptitiously-transmitted-230801930.html) (The **bolding** is mine.) > [@](#): > > Elon Musk’s goons at the Department of Government Efficiency transmitted a large amount of data—all of it undetected—using a Starlink Wi-Fi terminal they installed on top of the White House, according to a new report. > > Starlink is a satellite Wi-Fi service owned and operated by Musk’s SpaceX. The DOGE goons installed it in [mid-March](https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/17/us/politics/elon-musk-starlink-white-house.html) with the sign-off of Donald Trump’s administration, but against concerns raised by security officials, [according](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/06/07/starlink-white-house-security-doge-musk/) to _The Washington Post_. > > The officials in charge of protecting the White House’s communications were not informed of the installation ahead of time, insiders told the _Post_. > > At the time, DOGE said installing Starlink was intended to address connection “dead zones” on the White House compound. > > **However, the insiders suggested that the move was intended to bypass White House systems that track the transmission of data—with names and time stamps—and secure it from spies.** > > **“Starlink doesn’t require anything. It allows you to transmit data without any kind of record or tracking,” one insider told the _Post_. “White House IT systems had very strong controls on network access. You had to be on a full-tunnel VPN at all times. If you are not on the VPN, White House-issued devices can’t connect to the outside.”** I don’t know how I missed this one. [The felon’s sending Navy ships into the southern border mission.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-pentagon-keeps-sending-destroyers-163749397.html) > [@](#): > > A fourth US Navy destroyer that participated in the [Red Sea conflict](https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-us-navy-aircraft-carrier-tactics-shift-houthi-missiles-drones-2024-2?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) is on its way to support President Donald Trump’s southern border mission, bringing a range of advanced naval combat capabilities to a very different operating environment. > > The Navy announced Friday that the Arleigh Burke-class [destroyer USS Cole](https://www.businessinsider.com/these-us-navy-warships-near-middle-east-going-to-region-2024-8?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) had left its homeport in Florida to support US Northern Command’s “border security objectives.” & > [@](#): > > Cole, like the other warships, is set to be accompanied by a US Coast Guard Law Enforcement Detachment. They specialize in [military operations at sea](https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-helicopters-coast-guard-snipers-drug-busts-daily-admiral-says-2021-2?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com), such as counterterrorism, counterpiracy, and anti-immigration missions. These vessels are not designed for the job they’re sent to do. This is just throwing the miltiary around to show bonespurs can. [The felon still has a stiff mushroom against Abrego Garcia.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-signals-case-against-abrego-184307791.html) > [@](#): > > President Trump on Saturday said the Justice Department’s (DOJ) latest case against [Kilmar Abrego Garcia](https://www.yahoo.com/news/abrego-garcia-deportation-controversy-5-100000226.html) — the man [mistakenly deported](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-bukele-deportation-kilmar-abrego-223431112.html) to El Salvador earlier this year amid Trump’s [crackdown on illegal immigration](https://www.yahoo.com/news/100-days-trump-immigration-policies-100000806.html) — should be “very easy” for prosecutors. > > The comment comes after news broke Friday that Abrego Garcia [would return](https://www.yahoo.com/news/abrego-garcia-return-us-face-194332507.html) to the U.S. to face smuggling charges stemming from a 2022 traffic stop in Tennessee. Asked about the administration’s [seeming reversal](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-could-return-abrego-120725193.html) in bringing the man home, the president gave full credit to DOJ. > > “The Department of Justice decided to do it that way, and that’s fine,” Trump [told NBC News](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-thinks-government-easy-case-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna211606) in a phone call Saturday, adding, “that wasn’t my decision.” Wow. This is a whole litany of problematic issues. Improper influence. Lack of command clarity. Lack of designated responsibility. Unsubstantiated accusations. Screw it, I don’t have time to type it all. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5566 "2025-06-08T11:16:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Here’s a fun read about the legality of the felon federalizing the California National Guard. I’m going to assume that doing so in any state would be covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. If there was some mechanism for “federalizing the National Guard” then it certainly would. (I believe the National Guard were called on in VietNam and Iraq yet Posse Comitatus limits what Federal Troops may do domestically) > Tin soldiers and Nixon coming > We’re finally on our own Oh course it was Ohio’s Governor Rhodes who called in the National Guard at Kent State. I’ll grant ol’ Neil some poetic license and who knows what Nixon may eventually have tried to see if he could do. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5567 "2025-06-08T11:38:17Z")
Well, what do I know? We’re in the “New Normal Fascist Frontier” > **[Trump deploys National Guard to LA immigration 'riots' after claiming state...](https://news.sky.com/story/national-guard-to-be-deployed-to-la-immigration-riots-as-trump-claims-state-officials-cant-do-their-jobs-13380613)** > > California Governor Gavin Newsom confirmed that the Trump administration is deploying "2,000 soldiers" to Los Angeles after local police stood off against protesters on Friday and Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5568 "2025-06-08T13:38:52Z")
We’ve discussed it before and there’s probably no definitive prediction to be had, but I have to think that it won’t be too long before soldiers become overwhelmed by “riot control fatigue.” Except for the small number of psychopaths who enjoy thumping the heads of their fellow citizens, it must be emotionally taxing to battle with everyday Americans and face a loss of prestige, respect and confidence because you are charged with defending heinous policies. I’m also worried about the frequently voiced concerns that Shitgibbon will use the protests to seize ever more emergency powers. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5569 "2025-06-08T14:54:42Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > I’m also worried about the frequently voiced concerns that Shitgibbon will use the protests to seize ever more emergency powers. I hope this is ‘just’ because of the Shitgibbon’s parade: Tanks being shipped into DC. It’s from AP and posted on [Youtube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSntO4mq57A) ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5570 "2025-06-08T14:56:30Z")
Once the President invokes the Insurrection Act, he becomes a dictator until public pressure forces him to stand down, but he has probably the same solid 40% of white Christian nationalists cheering him on the way that a sold out arena cheers Steve Austin to do a “Stone Cold Stunner.” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5571 "2025-06-08T14:57:31Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > I’m going to assume that doing so in any state would be covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. If there was some mechanism for “federalizing the National Guard” then it certainly would. The last time the National Guard was federalized against the wishes of the governor was 1965. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5572 "2025-06-08T15:19:26Z")
> On Sunday, the president said that masks would no longer be allowed to be worn at protests. Does this also apply to police, soldiers, and ICE agents? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5573 "2025-06-08T15:53:42Z")
> [@natureboy](#): > > has probably the same solid 40% of white Christian nationalists cheering him on Anecdatum: my right-wing relatives are cheering him on. Friend-of-relative’s post: “Crush it hard, fast and continuous! The Democrat leadership called for this, hold them accountable with federal charges if necessary!” Different-friend-of-same-relative’s post: “Absolutely!! Lock em all up. This is what I voted for!! [🇺🇸](https://emojipedia.org/flag-united-states)[🇺🇸](https://emojipedia.org/flag-united-states)[🇺🇸](https://emojipedia.org/flag-united-states)” ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5574 "2025-06-08T16:21:25Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Cadet Bonespurs sure does love throwing the military around, doesn’t he? [And his flunky Pete wants to send in the Marines](https://www.yahoo.com/news/stephen-miller-calls-mass-la-213239064.html). It’s been done in L.A. before: [1992 Los Angeles riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots) > Day 4 – Saturday, May 2 > > [[edit source](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1992_Los_Angeles_riots&action=edit§ion=22)] > > On the fourth day, 3,500 federal troops – 2,000 [soldiers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army) of the [7th Infantry Division](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)) from [Fort Ord](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Ord) and 1,500 [Marines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps) of the [1st Marine Division](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Marine_Division_(United_States)) from [Camp Pendleton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Pendleton) – arrived to reinforce the National Guard soldiers already in the city. The Marine Corps contingent included the [1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Light_Armored_Reconnaissance_Battalion), commanded by [John F. Kelly](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kelly). It was the first significant [military occupation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupation) of Los Angeles by federal troops since the 1894 [Pullman Strike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike),[[118]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots#cite_note-118) and also the first federal military intervention in an American city to quell a civil disorder since the 1968 [King assassination riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_assassination_riots), and the deadliest modern unrest since the [1980 Miami riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Miami_riots) at the time, only 12 years earlier.[_[citation needed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)_] > > These federal military forces took 24 hours to deploy to [Huntington Park](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntington_Park,_California), about the same time it took for the National Guard.[_[citation needed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)_] This brought total troop strength to 13,500, making LA the largest military occupation of any US city since the [1968 Washington, D.C. riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Washington,_D.C.,_riots). Federal troops joined National Guard soldiers to support local police in restoring order directly; the combined force contributed significantly to preventing violence.[_[citation needed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)_] With most of the violence under control, 30,000 people attended an 11 a.m. peace rally in Koreatown to support local merchants and racial healing.[[94]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots#cite_note-:6-94) AIUI, the Marines aren’t allowed to act as law enforcement. I’m not sure this admin cares. I can see Trump telling Hegseth to order the troops to start bashing heads and “shooting protesters in the leg”. ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5575 "2025-06-08T16:46:50Z")
Yeah, that would be a fairly common sight on my Facebook feed if I still had an account today. At the heart of MAGA ideology is nativism. They’re not misspeaking when they type or say the word _invaders_ to refer to the migrants. They really believe that, never mind the fact that probably 45-50% of US-based agricultural labor is undocumented workers. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5576 "2025-06-08T17:10:08Z")
Or that our family came over comparatively recently—our common ancestors were immigrants, and we grew up on stories of family that came over, engaged in criminal activity, and never learned English. Apparently it was all right for us! But as been said elsewhere, Republicans seem not to mind hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5577 "2025-06-08T17:12:58Z")
> [@natureboy](#): > > probably 45-50% of US-based agricultural labor is undocumented workers. Exactly right. Copilot tells me that 45% of our agricultural labor is undocumented immigrants, while an astounding 86% of that workforce is foreign-born. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5578 "2025-06-08T17:29:32Z")
And interestingly, it is the rural areas, who could not survive without the foreign born, who overwhelmingly voted for trump. In Germany, OTOH, it is the former Eastern Germany, aka the communist one, where almost no foreigners live or ever want to go, who vote for the fascist AfD. Stupidity, ignorance and bigottry do not make sense. And you can’t argue people out of stupid. Ignorance, OTOH, well… perhaps you can, but it takes a long time. ---
**Author:** ![natureboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/4491bb/32.png) [@natureboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/natureboy)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5579 "2025-06-08T18:49:25Z")
One recent estimate put it at something like 47-49% but I won’t go to the mat on statistics. It’s the same ballpark figure. It seems that there’s been pushback from farmers on going after their undocumented labor, but I have to think that at some point, some of these workers are going to freak out at the thought of ending up in one of these detention centers, which, as I understand it, is not a pleasant experience. I’m sure that no prison or jail is pleasant but I’ve heard and read over the years that these are particularly harsh. Would have to think that they’ll probably bolt at some point, during a time when we’re imposing significant tariffs on imported goods no less. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5580 "2025-06-08T19:05:54Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Ignorance, OTOH, well… perhaps you can, but it takes a long time. Certainly longer than we thought. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/5581 "2025-06-09T01:31:49Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > > [@Coriolanus](#): > > > > I’m going to assume that doing so in any state would be covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. If there was some mechanism for “federalizing the National Guard” then it certainly would. > > The last time the National Guard was federalized against the wishes of the governor was 1965. Not quite: [Perpich v. Department of Defense - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpich_v._Department_of_Defense) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=275) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=277)