# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 303
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6102 "2025-06-23T01:37:08Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > The president has looked at all the intelligence briefings and come to the conclusion that the Iranian nuclear program is a threat Within the 90 day window, that’s all Congress would need to know to follow the rules of the “War Power Act” yet I can see another joint session in July where the left side of trump gives him a 20 minute standing ovation while the other side holds up signs. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6103 "2025-06-23T03:57:12Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > The Doolittle Raid basically said “We politely decline your offer and fuck you” You should post this in that thread over in GD. That took some Nuts. Not real effective, but pretty damn cool! ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6104 "2025-06-23T04:47:10Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I agree. I just do not understand the benefit to characterizing it incorrectly. A fig leaf. War is an ugly, frightening word. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6105 "2025-06-23T04:54:12Z")
> [@natureboy](#): > > So what now, then? Israel had already damaged a fair amount of Iran’s nuclear infrastructure. I thought this was about going after the enriched stuff. This is about politics and stupidity. Neither the facts on the ground nor rational military strategy are going to have much of an effect on what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6106 "2025-06-23T06:10:51Z")
[The felon’s supporters have something to ay about his flexing OPM (Other People’s Muscles).](https://www.aol.com/not-maga-wanted-hear-tensions-185511164.html) > [@](#): > > After President Donald Trump finished his [address to the nation](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-us-launches-strike-three-000559714.html) about bombing Iran, close ally and MAGA leader Steve Bannon declared on [his podcast](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/warroom-special-us-attack-on-irans-nuclear-sites-trump/id1485351658?i=1000714009995) that it may not have been what “a lot of MAGA wanted to hear.” > > Trump indicated in his June 21 White House speech he doesn’t want to escalate tensions with Iran further, but said “if peace does not come quickly, we will go after those other targets with precision, speed and skill.” > > Bannon called Trump’s comments about potential additional strikes “open ended” and said the situation has the potential to escalate. > > “This is incrementalism,” said Bannon, Trump’s former first term White House chief strategist. “If they hit back at American troops, do we go back in and hit again? Next thing you know, brother, you’re in a forever war.” > > Another MAGA stalwart, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene,[wrote a long post](https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1936844893655020017)on social media the day after the bombing that starts by saying “I don’t know anyone in America who has been the victim of a crime or killed by Iran.” > > “I can support [President Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/donald-trump/) and his great administration on many of the great things they are doing while disagreeing on bombing Iran and getting involved in a hot war that Israel started,” the Georgia Republican congresswoman wrote. Good Lord! Even Perjury Traitor Greene has more sense than he does on this. [So what’s the imediate effect? The United States is now on “high alert”.](https://www.aol.com/iran-warns-consequences-us-bombs-104136303.html) > [@](#): > > The United States went[on high alert](https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-officials-warn-heightened-threats-173713410.html) on June 22 over [concerns of retaliation](https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-hits-iran-nuclear-facilities-010058926.html) from Tehran after the bombing [of three Iranian nuclear sites](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-us-launches-strike-three-000559714.html) a day earlier. > > Major U.S. cities from New York to Los Angeles [stepped up their security](https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-officials-warn-heightened-threats-173713410.html) as the weekend came to a close. Government agencies issued warnings to U.S. citizens at home and abroad. And with Mideast tensions heightened, all eyes stayed glued to Iran and its response. > > From the Department of Homeland Security came notice in the United States of a [“heightened threat environment.”](https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-officials-warn-heightened-threats-173713410.html) Hours later, the State Department [blasted out a “worldwide caution security alert”](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/ea/worldwide-caution2.html)advising U.S. citizens overseas to exercise increased vigilance amid the ongoing Israel-Iran war. Didn’t this convicted fraud campaign on the promise of no more wars on his watch? [World leaders react to the felon’s attack on Iran.](https://www.aol.com/news/world-leaders-react-u-strikes-160305449.html) The link gives the reaction from a number of countries, inluding Iran, Germany, Israel, and Mexico among others. There’s a variety of responses: support, condemnation, and calls for diplomacy. [And speaking of Iran’s response:](https://www.aol.com/iran-government-moves-block-major-170314774.html) > [@](#): > > Iran’s parliament approved a measure June 22 endorsing the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, a major oil transportation route, following [U.S. airstrikes in Iran](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-us-launches-strike-three-000559714.html). > > Around 20% of the [world’s oil and gas](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/us-urges-china-dissuade-iran-closing-strait-hormuz-2025-06-22/) flow through the narrow channel connecting the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Oman. Its closure would likely mean rising fuel costs for global consumers, including Americans. > > While Iranian [state media reported](https://x.com/IranIntl_En/status/1936772105506291832) that the parliament had agreed to endorse blocking the strait, the decision ultimately belongs to Iran’s Supreme National Security Council. Yeah, this is really going to bring down prices, felon, isn’t it? [And way back in the “homeland” (I really, seriously, _fucking_ hate that term), guess what.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/protests-erupt-calling-trump-u-194721923.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON — Protests against the [U.S. military involvement in Iran](https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-warns-consequences-us-bombs-104136303.html), including some in New York and outside the White House June 22, are expected to continue throughout the week in communities across the country. > > The protests come on the heels of President Donald [Trump ordering attacks](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-gamble-iran-nuclear-threat-140133765.html)on three nuclear facilities in Iran. Demonstrations were underway Sunday, June 22 in Washington, D.C., New York and Boston, according to social media posts. > > “The people of the United States don’t want another forever war. The people of the United States want money for people’s needs!’’ the Party for Socialism and Liberation posted on X. [Andyet another federal judge order the felon and his co-conspirators ignore, of course.](https://www.aol.com/news/government-files-appeal-kilmar-abrego-235111793.html) > [@](#): > > The government on Sunday appealed a federal judge’s order to release of Kilmar Abrego Garcia pending trial on human smuggling charges, another chapter in the saga of the Maryland father who had been erroneously deported to El Salvador. > > The Trump administration admitted having mistakenly deported Abrego Garcia in March, and the Supreme Court ordered it to facilitate his return. > > Upon his return this month, though, Abrego Garcia was hit with federal charges of conspiracy to unlawfully transport illegal immigrants for financial gain and unlawful transportation of illegal immigrants for monetary gain. He [pleaded not guilty](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kilmar-abrego-garcia-pleads-not-guilty-human-smuggling-charges-rcna212679). > > “Abrego, like every person arrested on federal criminal charges, is entitled to a full and fair determination of whether he must remain in federal custody pending trial,” U.S. Magistrate Barbara D. Holmes of the Middle District of Tennessee wrote in her opinion Sunday. “The Court will give Abrego the due process that he is guaranteed.” > > The government quickly filed a request to stay the order and keep Abrego Garcia in custody, a filing that made it clear it would again subject him to deportation proceedings. > > The government argued that a stay, or pause, would allow the court “to conduct meaningful review” of custody ahead of the judge’s ruling on a separate court filing. > > “He will remain in custody pending deportation and Judge Holmes’ release order would not immediately release him to the community under any circumstance,” Justice Department lawyers said in request for a stay Sunday. And let’s remember that late in the game, the Second Felonial Era goons decided that Garcia is a very bad buy because he, they allege, killed dozens of people in Mexico. Yet nary a peep from Mexico on requesting extradition so he can be charged with those crimes. That leads me to believe he felon and his goods are liars. And now that the felon has broken yet another promise to America, he’s concentrating on being a waertime president, ensuring military readiness, and shoring up our defenses. Hahahaha…you fool! [No, he’s trying to unseat a GOP congressman, of course.](https://www.aol.com/news/trumps-team-launches-group-unseat-235301803.html) > [@](#): > > Two key advisers to President Donald Trump are launching a group to unseat Rep. Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican with [a pattern of opposing Trump](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/one-house-republican-opposed-trump-key-votes-years-survived-can-thomas-rcna208419) who most recently lambasted his decision Saturday to [strike three Iranian nuclear facilities](https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/iran-trump-nuclear-israel-bombing-what-next-rcna214328). > > Chris LaCivita, a senior political adviser to Trump, confirmed to NBC News on Sunday that he and Tony Fabrizio, another Trump adviser, will run the anti-Massie super PAC. > > Axios [first reported](https://www.axios.com/2025/06/22/trump-massie-congress-2026) the super PAC was being formed. > > Trump and Massie, a libertarian who has represented Kentucky’s 4th Congressional District since 2012, have long been at odds, with Trump saying he wanted Massie thrown out of the GOP in 2020. Still, Massie has retained his seat, winning multiple primary challenges and even Trump’s endorsement in 2022. > > But Massie has continued to be a thorn in Trump’s side during his second term. In addition to opposing Trump’s strikes against Iran, he has consistently voted against his “big, beautiful bill” throughout the process. > > Massie also partnered with Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., last week to introduce a war powers resolution meant to “prohibit involvement in Iran.” You know what would be hilarious? Yep, he succeeds at unseating the GOP congressman and Massie gets replaced by a Democrat. [And now _Russia_ is joining the Voice of Reason and Reality Chorus.](https://www.aol.com/news/russia-security-council-official-says-225601814.html) > [@](#): > > A top Russian official warned Sunday that a number of foreign nations may now be prepared to directly supply Iran with nuclear warheads, following U.S. airstrikes on Iranian nuclear infrastructure that escalated tensions across the Middle East. > > Dmitry Medvedev, deputy chairman of the Russian Security Council and former president of Russia, made the [explosive claim](https://tlgrm.eu/channels/@medvedev_telegram/592) in a Telegram post, declaring that “a number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.” I’ll add more later if I can; the Internet connction here has decided to be the Platonic Ideal of _Iffy_. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6107 "2025-06-23T06:30:42Z")
I just had another tangential thought as to why the first felon might want to start a war. A lot of what they judges have been knocking down is Trumps attempts to use the war powers act for various dictates such as declaration of tariffs, breaching Posse Comitatus, doing away with habeas corpus. They have done so because there was no war that required these extraordinary powers. But now that he’s got his war… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6108 "2025-06-23T06:46:38Z")
Now that you mention it. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6109 "2025-06-23T07:30:44Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > > The president has looked at all the intelligence briefings and come to the conclusion that the Iranian nuclear program is a threat Those would be the intelligence briefings based on reports that concluded that Iran wasn’t currently working towards a bomb, [that Trump declared were simply “wrong”](https://globalnews.ca/news/11252070/iran-nuclear-trump-gabbard-us-intelligence-wrong/)? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6110 "2025-06-23T07:32:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’ll add more later if I can; the Internet connction here has decided to be the Platonic Ideal of _Iffy_. Turns out that’s the round-up from my latest news sources, so no further update today. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6111 "2025-06-23T09:09:19Z")
Thank you again for supplying them. They are mind-numbing to read your aggregations. I cannot imagine how numbing it must be to read the sources. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6112 "2025-06-23T11:51:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Vice President JD Vance argued that President [Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/donald-trump)’s recent bombing of Iran is different from past “entanglements in the Middle East” because Vance believes Trump is smart. > > Vance’s [remarks](https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/vice-pres-vance-says-us-has-substantially-delayed-iran-s-nuclear-weapon-program-full-interview-242050117543) came on NBC’s ‘Meet the Press with Kristen Welker’ on Sunday as he defended Trump’s unilateral decision to insert the U.S. in Israel’s war on Iran, a move that numerous lawmakers [have condemned](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trump-iran-impeachment_n_685819b4e4b05236097fb85e?origin=top-ad-recirc) or [called unconstitutional](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trump-iran-impeachment_n_685819b4e4b05236097fb85e?origin=top-ad-recirc). > > … > > “I certainly empathize with Americans who are exhausted after 25 years of foreign entanglements in the Middle East. I understand the concern. But the difference is that back then, we had dumb presidents, and now we have a president who actually knows how to accomplish America’s national security objectives. Og save us all. > **[Trump Promised To Keep The U.S. Out Of Middle East Wars. Now Vance Has A New...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jd-vance-dumb-presidents-trump-iran-middle-east_n_68584913e4b0208df3862856)** > > Vance said he can "empathize with Americans who are exhausted after 25 years of foreign entanglements...But the difference is that back then, we had dumb presidents." ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6113 "2025-06-23T12:13:20Z")
So, JD, if we had dumb presidents over the past 25 years, that would include Donald Trump in his first term, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6114 "2025-06-23T12:57:17Z")
Apparently we still have dumb Vice Presidents. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6115 "2025-06-23T12:58:37Z")
Potatoe dumb. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6116 "2025-06-23T13:13:06Z")
I could swear Vance thought Trumpy was Hitler, another stable genius. Must have not happened, was misquoted, fake news, … SQUIRREL!!! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6117 "2025-06-23T13:47:44Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Thank you again for supplying them. They are mind-numbing to read your aggregations. I cannot imagine how numbing it must be to read the sources. It is, but as I said earlier, it’s a labor of loathing. The key is aggregating the reports because they are spread out and sprinkled among other reports, both mundane and horrendous. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6118 "2025-06-23T14:20:41Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I just had another tangential thought as to why the first felon might want to start a war. And… It’s amazing that no one is talking about the largest protests in American history, the assassination of a Senator in Minnesota (and her husband, and the attempted murder of two other people), Il Douche’s pitiful birthday parade… ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6119 "2025-06-23T16:31:07Z")
Now Trump is demanding that “everyone keep oil prices low.” Probably meaning us consumers too. Man, who knew supply and demand works this way. > **[Trump says 'everyone' should keep oil prices lower or they're playing 'into...](https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/23/trump-oil-prices-iran-israel.html)** > > Trump's message comes after the U.S. bombed Iran's nuclear sites, putting the world on edge that the Islamic Republic might target energy supplies. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6120 "2025-06-23T17:26:54Z")
Crude oil price is down over 5% today. Everyone is obviously listening to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/6121 "2025-06-23T17:40:34Z")
So when Donnie commands the sun to rise tomorrow morning, he’s going to take credit for it when it happens? Who am I kidding? Of course he is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=302) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=304)