# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/601 "2024-12-13T16:05:35Z")
And those were/are likely fascinating discussions. But arguing _against_ what I said won’t really get you anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/602 "2024-12-13T17:16:54Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > But if the idiot on the street corner is constantly screaming that 2+2=4, he may _be_ an idiot, but he’s got the math right. I have to acknowledge that this is a great metaphor. 👏 ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/603 "2024-12-13T17:22:02Z")
I saw this morning that Kennedy’s lawyer is asking the FDA to revoke approval of the polio vaccine. If anything should tank his nomination, this should. The fucker is insane. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/604 "2024-12-13T17:38:46Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > If anything should tank his nomination, this should. “Should” being the operative word, I’m not counting on things going the way they “should” in government for at least a couple of years. My wife’s grandma is still kicking around and she survived childhood polio. It’s not something so far in the past that it’s ancient history. It could be a serious threat if we are stupid about it. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/605 "2024-12-13T17:40:33Z")
Programmer here. Maybe we are asking AI different sorts of questions. I find it helpful for a quick reference instead of spending 15 minutes googling something. Shit. For a test, I asked it to write Python code to find the latitude and longitude of any address I imputed. It gave me the code. It took it 8 seconds. It was correct, and worked. I’m retiring in a year. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/606 "2024-12-13T18:28:50Z")
But how much of that code is proprietary? That’s an issue my wife is having with her coders. They’re using ChatGPT to write code, and she’s having to reject quite a lot due to licensing issues. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/607 "2024-12-13T18:29:58Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > My wife’s grandma is still kicking around and she survived childhood polio. It’s not something so far in the past that it’s ancient history. It could be a serious threat if we are stupid about it. My sister-in-law survived childhood polio. It wasn’t all that long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/608 "2024-12-13T19:28:32Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I saw this morning that Kennedy’s lawyer is asking the FDA to revoke approval of the polio vaccine. If anything should tank his nomination, this should. The fucker is insane. I’m sure that in the confirmation hearing he will say that he has no intention to revoke any vaccine, and then Susan Collins will vote for him only to be shocked that he reneges 3 months later. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/609 "2024-12-13T19:46:46Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I saw this morning that Kennedy’s lawyer is asking the FDA to revoke approval of the polio vaccine. If anything should tank his nomination, this should. The fucker is insane. Holy shit. My folks thought I might have polio because my growth spurts caused severe muscle weakness. Polio is a horrific disease that used to put people in iron lungs. Guessing the Chicken Pox Vax is next. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/610 "2024-12-13T21:07:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Polio is a horrific disease that used to put people in iron lungs. I remember it well, and I remember standing in line with my mother to get the vax. I also remember a classmate, Joey Romig, who ended up in an iron lung. And this fucker would revisit that horror on us all. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/611 "2024-12-13T21:11:37Z")
I’m so sorry @Chefguy. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/612 "2024-12-13T21:45:56Z")
That reads a lot snarkier – after the passage of some time – than what my brain was thinking. For which, @Cervaise , I apologize. As a gesture of contrition, may I arrange a visit for you with Nancy Pelosi?? > **[Pelosi admitted to a hospital in Luxembourg after sustaining injury | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/politics/pelosi-hospital-injury/index.html)** > > Rep. Nancy Pelosi has been admitted to the hospital in Luxembourg after she “sustained an injury during an official engagement,” according to a statement from her office. Take it or leave it. I won’t be offended 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/613 "2024-12-14T00:33:11Z")
Cool - two pit posts in a row with apologies. what’s this world coming to? ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/614 "2024-12-14T01:12:31Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I remember standing in line with my mother to get the vax. Yeah, as soon as it was available, my mom rushed us to the location where the health dept was adminstering the shots/sugar cubes. Younger people don’t realize the terror that polio induced. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/615 "2024-12-14T01:27:02Z")
Oh, goody. I can’t wait for the sun to start coming up at 3 AM every June from now on. > **[Trump's latest demand: An end to ‘inconvenient’ Daylight Saving Time](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2670450734/)** > > President-elect Donald Trump wants to end Daylight Saving Time changes – and he said Friday the Republican Party will work to do just that.Americans have grown increasingly irked by the need to adjust the time every spring and fall, and many have... ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/616 "2024-12-14T06:58:08Z")
To be fair, the twice-annual clock changes are indeed stupid and inconvenient, and DST should be ended. In fact, the European Parliament came to an agreement in principle several years ago to do exactly that. So it’s hardly a controversial idea. The only reason the EU’s plan didn’t proceed to implementation is (a) there was disagreement between northern and southern states as to _which direction_ to set the permanent clocks, and (b) COVID derailed the negotiations for a couple years. Now, though, it’s **[back on the agenda.](https://euroweeklynews.com/2024/10/26/could-this-be-the-last-year-for-daylight-saving-time-in-europe/)** Of course, Trump being Trump, I’m sure he and his minions will come up with the worst possible way to handle the change. Maybe they’ll split the difference and the US will be permanently half an hour off the rest of the world, one way or the other, and it’ll be labeled “US Trump Time” and he’ll sell an affordable line of wall clocks and wristwatches with a gold-inlaid “Trump Time” logo, the most accurate timekeeping devices ever created by man, makes a great gift, operators are standing by. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/617 "2024-12-14T07:12:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Oh, goody. I can’t wait for the sun to start coming up at 3 AM every June from now on. So now, instead of being able to get in 18 holes after work, I’ll have to get in 18 holes before work? Well, I’m in Canada so it shouldn’t affect me; but given how our (US and Canada) schedules are so intertwined, it will. We’ll have to do the same, on the whim of a doofus none of us could vote against. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/618 "2024-12-14T08:35:10Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Of course, Trump being Trump, I’m sure he and his minions will come up with the worst possible way to handle the change. Maybe they’ll split the difference and the US will be permanently half an hour off the rest of the world, one way or the other, and it’ll be labeled “US Trump Time” and he’ll sell an affordable line of wall clocks and wristwatches with a gold-inlaid “Trump Time” logo, the most accurate timekeeping devices ever created by man, makes a great gift, operators are standing by. [His loverboy tried that half hour time switch.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_North_Korea) > On 5 August 2015, the [North Korean government](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_government) decided to return to [UTC+08:30](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B08:30), effective 15 August 2015, and said the official name would be Pyongyang Time or (PYT).[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_North_Korea#cite_note-BNO2015-8)[[9]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_North_Korea#cite_note-BBC2015-9) The government of North Korea made this decision as a break from “imperialism”; the time zone change went into effect on the 70th anniversary of the [liberation of Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_of_Korea).[[10]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_North_Korea#cite_note-Mathis-Lilley2015-10) The [South Korean government](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_government) officials worried about inconvenience in Inter-Korean exchange and cooperation, including commuting to and from the [Kaesong Industrial Region](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaesong_Industrial_Region), and further difference of lifestyle between the North and South Korean people. Now that Trump’s loverboy is cutting off all connections with the South, that might be back on Kim’s agenda. Another country whose leader Trump loves is China. According to [Suncurves.com](https://suncurves.com/en/view/?location_id=10090), the earliest sunrise in the year in Beijing is at 5:10 a.m.; the latest sunrise in the year is at 8:20 a.m.; the earliest sunset in the year is at 4:11 p.m.; the latest sunset in the year is at 7:19 p.m. I, for one, would greatly appreciate China resurrecting the previous five time zone divisions for the country _and_ DST. I’m really getting tired of commuting in the dark at 5:30 p.m. now. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/619 "2024-12-14T09:53:18Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Maybe they’ll split the difference and the US will be permanently half an hour off the rest of the world That’s actually not a bad compromise. We can deal with a half hour additional difference. There’s several places around the world that are half an hour off, notably the entire country of India, and they somehow manage. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/620 "2024-12-14T14:02:00Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > To be fair, the twice-annual clock changes are indeed stupid and inconvenient, and DST should be ended. Of all of life’s myriad inconveniences, changing clocks twice a year has to be one of the most minor. By far the worst part of it is listening to people complain about it online. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=32)