# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 459
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9222 "2025-10-31T16:27:17Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > In some of the weirder parts of the internet I read it first in the SDMB! They also say she brings good luck to her partners. I don’t know, how could I prove them wrong? I’ll leave that to VP JD if he feels so inclined. Others have observed that the name Erika Kirk has three K’s and she would be unwilling to lose that distinction by dent of marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9223 "2025-10-31T16:29:49Z")
That little cowlick on his head? That’s from where she ran her fingers through his hair moments before this pic was snapped. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9224 "2025-10-31T17:20:08Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > Others have observed that the name Erika Kirk has three K’s and she would be unwilling to lose that distinction by dent of marriage. Plus, her married name would sound like “Eric of Ants.” ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9225 "2025-10-31T17:25:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And here’s my favorite part. The **bolding** is mine. > > > [@](#): > > > > She then explained some of the reasons that have convinced her of the conspiracy theory. “Why does Buzz Aldrin say it didn’t happen? **There’s no gravity on the moon** — why is the flag blowing? The shoes that they have in the museum that they wore on the moon [have] a different [foot]print than the photos. Why are there no stars?” In the interest of correcting something that’s [wrong on the internet](https://xkcd.com/386/): Buzz Aldrin has never denied the moon landing, and in fact, has gotten pretty upset when confronted by moon landing conspiracy theorists. There is of course gravity on the moon, but no atmosphere or wind, so the flag is held up by a thin, flexible rod along the top. And the stars don’t appear in some photos because the photos were taken in bright sunlight. Because there is no atmosphere to scatter the sunlight, the sky is still black, but the Sun shining on the moon’s surface (and objects) is bright enough to make the required camera exposure settings such that stars are too dim to show up. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9226 "2025-10-31T17:35:27Z")
> [@robby](#): > > There is of course gravity on the moon, but no atmosphere or wind, so the flag is held up by a thin, flexible rod along the top. Apparently, part of the hoax ‘proof’ is that the flag is actually rippling “in the wind”. Easily explained by the lack of atmosphere - extending it on rod puts it in motion and as Mr Newton stated, it will stay in motion with no atmosphere to act as an outside force. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9227 "2025-10-31T18:33:59Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > It may not be all our individual faults he got elected but it sure as hell is our collective responsibility to deal with the consequences, especially something as inessential as dealing with a little booing at a friggin’ kids game played by adults. I may have a slightly higher opinion of baseball than you do, but the other thing that occurred to me was why the play national anthem, or anthems, at all? I know it’s the tradition to do so, but it’s a friggin’ baseball game, not a Memorial Day ceremony. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9228 "2025-10-31T18:50:37Z")
I like baseball just fine. And stayed up way too late Monday/Tuesday night because of it, despite not really having a rooting interest (well, maybe a little against the Dodgers). But I don’t pretend it’s anything more than a pastime, national pastime though it may be. But that’s a fair point about playing the anthem in the first place. Once you start doing it, in this case due to WWII, it’s difficult to stop without accusations of insufficient patriotism, which, if heeded, is a step on that slippery slope towards nationalism ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9229 "2025-10-31T19:05:56Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > But that’s a fair point about playing the anthem in the first place. Once you start doing it, in this case due to WWII, it’s difficult to stop without accusations of insufficient patriotism, which, if heeded, is a step on that slippery slope towards nationalism We’ve already taken one step down that slope: accusing fans of insufficient patriotism for not standing during the singing of an Irving Berlin show tune. > **[Bad Bunny causes controversy by not standing during "God Bless America" at...](https://amp.marca.com/en/mlb/new-york-yankees/2025/10/18/68f37c3b46163f982d8b45cb.html)** > > Bad Bunny was once again a trend, this time outside the musical stage. The Puerto Rican singer was caught sitting during the performance of "God Bless America" at Yankee Stadium, d ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9230 "2025-10-31T19:29:54Z")
Republicans: We can’t afford to feed the poor or provide affordable Healthcare Trump: Hey, losers! Check out my new marble shifter! [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/bafkreic6p5n3m6bngu7sb2o5i6xmlc5ztbr2fmr2kbnqghkrsncvsmrlga@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/bafkreic6p5n3m6bngu7sb2o5i6xmlc5ztbr2fmr2kbnqghkrsncvsmrlga@jpeg) [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/bafkreiey6rr45rc22h4kt3o3ed52panxywaxuqhxbmt45u2zq3ghgpxj74@jpeg) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/bafkreiey6rr45rc22h4kt3o3ed52panxywaxuqhxbmt45u2zq3ghgpxj74@jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9231 "2025-10-31T19:44:00Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > accusing fans of insufficient patriotism for not standing during the singing of an Irving Berlin show tun > [@National Anthem at the Home Run Derby](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-anthem-at-the-home-run-derby/1004298/68): > > I just wish they’d stop God Bless America as part of the 7th inning stretch. And they expect you to stand. It’s not the mfing national anthem! ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9232 "2025-10-31T22:32:56Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > At least from the Widow Kirk’s side, and her FM tight leather\* pants. I wonder if she made them from her couch to entice him? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2025, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9233 "2025-10-31T22:35:49Z")
Trump: It’s bad that food stamps aren’t going out and it’s all Democrats’ fault Congressional Republicans: Food stamps not going out is awesome, the poors deserve to starve > **[Trump admin. shifts blame for looming SNAP lapse as some Republicans mock...](https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/snap-benefits-republicans-trump-mockery-rcna241178)** > > MAGA world can’t decide whether to make Democrats out as heartless villains or to mock those who rely on assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9234 "2025-11-01T00:39:16Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Once you start doing it, in this case due to WWII, it’s difficult to stop without accusations of insufficient patriotism As an atheist, I friggin’ HATE _God Bless America_, which replaced _Take Me Out to the Ball Game_ after 9/11. Fortunately, it’s mostly fallen away, though it still pops up now and then. I usually take the opportunity to go get a beer or take a piss or something. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9235 "2025-11-01T01:20:54Z")
You could always sing, _“Dog bless America.”_ 🎶 🫡 🐶 The rest of the words still fit. Sorta. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9236 "2025-11-01T01:35:31Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > In some of the weirder parts of the internet there’s rumoring that Vance will divorce Usha and marry Erika Kirk. Super Catholic Boy will not be filing for divorce in this lifetime. > [@Coriolanus](#): > > ETA: Of course he’s just winding them up (success!) as they could only be annexed as a territory and not a “state” big enough to give the Democrats a lock on Congress and President for a long time. Why couldn’t they be annexed as a state? (I mean provided they wanted to.) [Judges order the felon to feed the people.](https://www.aol.com/articles/judges-could-rule-fate-snap-140337718.html) > [@](#): > > BOSTON (AP) — Two federal judges ruled nearly simultaneously on Friday that President Donald Trump’s administration must continue to pay for SNAP, the nation’s biggest [food aid](https://apnews.com/article/instacart-doordash-snap-benefits-food-aid-70fced0e93cd14df31cf048aaf7a5b8a) program, using emergency reserve funds during the government shutdown. > > The judges in Massachusetts and Rhode Island gave the administration leeway on whether to fund the program partially or in full for November. That also brings uncertainty about how things will unfold and will delay payments for many beneficiaries whose cards would normally be recharged early in the month. > > The U.S. Department of Agriculture planned to freeze payments to the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program starting Nov. 1 because it said it could no longer keep funding it due to the shutdown. The program serves about 1 in 8 Americans and is a major piece of the nation’s social safety net. It costs about $8 billion per month nationally. > > U.S. Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a Minnesota Democrat and the ranking member of the Senate Agriculture committee that oversees the food aid program, said Friday’s rulings from judges nominated to the bench by former President Barack Obama confirm what Democrats have been saying: "The administration is choosing not to feed Americans in need, despite knowing that it is legally required to do so.” [Just in case you were wondering what ICE facilities are like, here you go.](https://www.aol.com/articles/black-box-disappear-people-detainees-182820020.html) > [@](#): > > CHICAGO – Detainees held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Illinois have filed a lawsuit saying the conditions they were held in were “filthy,” “cruel” and aimed at “coercing” them to leave the country. > > The federal lawsuit in the Northern District of Illinois comes as the [Supreme Court](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/supreme-court/) weighs whether to allow [President Donald Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/donald-trump/) to deploy troops to the city. Since the president launched his crackdown on the region, known as [Operation Midway Blitz](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-administration-launches-chicago-immigration-203019368.html), Homeland Security officials say they have arrested 3,000 people during immigration enforcement. The facility at the center of the lawsuit is the site where new detainees are taken before being removed from Illinois. > > Pablo Moreno Gonzalez and Felipe Agustin Zamacona’s lawsuit against Homeland Security Secretary [Kristi Noem](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/kristi-noem/) and others acting at her direction offers the most detailed account yet of the conditions detainees experience. Journalists, members of Congress and clergy have not been given access to the facility located in the Chicago suburb of [Broadview, Illinois](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/making-war-chicago-suburb-tells-001259428.html). > > Homeland Security “created a black box in which to disappear people from the U.S. justice and immigration systems,” the lawsuit says, adding “the facility is a breeding ground for illness to spread … with poor sanitation, clogged toilets, and blood, human fluids, and insects in the sinks and on the walls.” > > Federal officials use dire conditions as a way of “coercing people to sign immigration paperwork that many detainees do not understand” including agreeing to be sent out of the country without seeing a judge, according to the lawsuit. > > The lawsuit asks for conditions to be improved and for attorneys to be allowed to contact clients inside. Chicago immigration attorneys have said for weeks that they cannot reach detainees at the facility. So, besides the basic human needs, the felon’s crew is denying access to lawyers. Still no surprise there. [So much winning! Another judge stops his stunts.](https://www.aol.com/articles/us-judge-permanently-blocks-trump-211601265.html) > [@](#): > > NEW YORK (Reuters) -A federal judge on Friday permanently blocked part of an executive order from Republican U.S. President Donald Trump, ruling that the president cannot require voters to show passports or similar documents as proof of citizenship before voting. > > Several lawsuits have challenged the president’s March 25 executive order, a sweeping order aimed at overhauling federal elections, and courts had already temporarily blocked it from going into effect. U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly in Washington, D.C., was the first to reach a final ruling against the executive order. > > Kollar-Kotelly permanently blocked the part of the executive order that would require proof of U.S. citizenship to register to vote. The judge had previously declined to block the part of the executive order that would bar states from counting mail-in ballots received after Election Day. > > The ruling came in response to lawsuits by groups including the Democratic National Committee, the League of United Latin American Citizens and the League of Women Voters Education Fund. [Here’s a great line from Harrison Ford.](https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/harrison-ford-blasts-trump-world-194725168.html) (The **bolding** is mine.) > [@](#): > > Former president Thunderbolt Ross is hulking out at the Trump administration. > > [Harrison Ford](https://ew.com/person/harrison-ford/) has criticized [Donald Trump](https://ew.com/person/donald-trump/), slamming the politician’s climate policies and announcing that the world is going “to hell” due to the current administration’s “hubris” and “lies.” > > **“[He] doesn’t have any policies, he has whims,”** Ford said in a new interview with _[The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/31/harrison-ford-donald-trump-climate-crisis)._ "It scares the s— out of me. **The ignorance, the hubris, the lies, the perfidy."** [War Criminal Hegseth decides review boards are just speed bumps if convened at request of Transgender personnel.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/pentagon-policy-undercuts-trans-troops-223515117.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon has rolled out a new policy that will severely undercut the ability for transgender troops who have been [banned from the armed forces](https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-tuskegee-airmen-dei-pentagon-480d932c8bcb4c6056abe78e34010982) by the Trump administration to turn to boards of their peers to argue for their right to stay in the military, according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press. > > If military separation boards decide to allow transgender service members to remain in uniform, commanders can override that decision, according to [an Oct. 8 memo](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26209763-upr-additional-implementation-guidance-on-administrative-separations/) to all the services from the Pentagon’s undersecretary for personnel and readiness, Anthony Tata. That breaks with [longstanding policy that boards act independently](https://apnews.com/article/transgender-air-force-airmen-trump-discharge-dysphoria-fc4a09e585e584726da62b94b218f15d). [When questioned on what kind of testing he’s talking about, the felon goes conman.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/article/trump-says-us-will-immediately-start-testing-nuclear-weapons-heres-what-to-know-201722155.html) > [@](#): > > In what would be a major shift in a decades-old American policy against global nuclear proliferation, President Trump says he has directed the Pentagon to “start testing” U.S. nuclear weapons “on an equal basis” with other countries, including China and Russia. > > “Because of other countries testing programs, I have instructed the Department of War to start testing our Nuclear Weapons on an equal basis,” Trump [wrote in a post on Truth Social late Wednesday](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115460423936412555). “That process will begin immediately.” > > It was not immediately clear what type of testing programs Trump was referring to in the announcement, which was made shortly before meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Busan, South Korea. > > Nations with nuclear stockpiles, including the U.S., regularly conduct tests of their nuclear weapons delivery systems, but nearly all stopped testing nuclear weapons 30 years ago. > > Speaking to reporters on Air Force One en route to Florida on Friday, Trump [declined to clarify](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-declines-clarify-us-conduct-171908245.html) what he meant. Doesn’t this sound like a dotard? > [@](#): > > “You’ll find out very soon,” Trump said when asked whether the U.S. would resume underground nuclear detonation tests. “But we’re going to do some testing, yeah. Other countries do it. If they’re going to do it, we’re going to do it.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9237 "2025-11-01T01:46:12Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > [@OldOlds](#): > > > > In some of the weirder parts of the internet there’s rumoring that Vance will divorce Usha and marry Erika Kirk. > > Super Catholic Boy will not be filing for divorce in this lifetime. I guess she’ll just be his side piece then. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9238 "2025-11-01T01:59:58Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > “You’ll find out very soon,” Trump said when asked whether the U.S. would resume underground nuclear detonation tests. “But we’re going to do some testing, yeah. Other countries do it. If they’re going to do it, we’re going to do it.” Channeling Donnie’s mother: _“And if all the other ~~boys~~ countries decided to jump off a cliff, would you do that, too?”_ Donnie puts his finger in his nose, squeezes his eyes shut, and thinks about it for a minute before replying, _“Why yes, Mama, I believe I would.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9239 "2025-11-01T02:02:05Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Super Catholic Boy will not be filing for divorce in this lifetime. He is NOT super Catholic boy. He went from atheist to baptized just in time to run for the Senate in 2022. He’s more white Christian nationalist than Roman Catholic, and they couldn’t give two shits about divorce. By being married to a heathen Hindu, he’s what they called “unequally yoked.” He’s already laying the groundwork to get out of this marriage by wishing out loud about Usha’s lack of Christian faith. If he wants to beat out Little Marco for the title of heir to the Golden Throne, hitching himself to the white beautiful blonde Evangelical Widow Kirk just might push him into the lead. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9240 "2025-11-01T03:26:05Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Why couldn’t they be annexed as a state? They could be, yet they’d be a coast-to-coast “state” about the size of California (EV vote-wise). Yet if the whole country is a “state” they only get 2 senators and about whatever Electoral Votes and Representatives as California. Annexed as a territory they cannot vote. Any way you look at annexing Canada is a war. Europe cannot help as the Navy will have sealed any ocean voyages west of Iceland. Trump has all the wars he thinks he put an end to in his imagination. He does not want to start a war with Canada just to get their Arctic oil rights. Greenland should be enough. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2025, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9241 "2025-11-01T03:38:58Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > Trump has all the wars he thinks he put an end to in his imagination. He does not want to start a war with Canada just to get their Arctic oil rights. Greenland should be enough. Then this is exactly why he will do it. It is the most illogical, counterproductive action he could take, it will piss off the most people and countries, and it will destabilize the world. That is what Putin wants, and Trump is Putin’s useful idiot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=458) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=460)