# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 483
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9702 "2025-11-20T01:28:09Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So, I take it you’ve never actually sat through more than a minute or two of them? Hell no. But I’m not his target demogrophic and neither are you. A large chunk of your country listens to him and votes for him and as I understand it find him entertaining. They may get bored by the 30 minute point, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9703 "2025-11-20T02:03:18Z")
Palestinians are actually very merry. Almost Love, Perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9704 "2025-11-20T02:17:41Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > A large chunk of your country listens to him and votes for him and as I understand it find him entertaining. Listens and votes, sure. Finds him entertaining? Eh, maybe? I’m not sure it’s so much they are entertained as he actually seems to hate the same people they do, as opposed to mainstream Republican leadership up to now, who only gave them token assurances they were on the same side of the culture wars. They like that he’s the other way around - he says the dog whistles and gives token assurance he’s not really a raging bigot. So they give full throated approval. It’s like cheering your side in a football match. How objectively lacking in entertainment or talented the side, it doesn’t matter to that crowd. What does matter is (1) he’s “their” guy and (2) he keeps winning (if only by appearances). If either stops being true, they’ll fall away as they always do. It’s happened in small part repeatedly - they don’t care about lies or broken laws or whatever but get into a mouth-foaming frenzy if somebody succesfully mocks him on social media, because that only happens to ‘losers’ in their minds and is their primary metric of ‘winning’. Check the Leopards thread - they’ll still support him even as his policies bankrupt them. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9705 "2025-11-20T03:43:44Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > A large chunk of your country listens to him and votes for him I really believe that many of his fans purposefully don’t listen to his speeches or read his rants. Deep inside they know he is crazy but don’t want the proof in their face. It’s so much easier to just accept the tasty soundbites their media feeds them and not think about it. There are probably more liberals being exposed to him simply out of the horrified curiosity of witnessing the shit show. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9706 "2025-11-20T04:14:28Z")
[The felon’s skipping a vice president’s funeral.](https://www.aol.com/articles/trump-wont-attend-former-republican-204152662.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON — [President Donald Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/donald-trump/) will not attend former Republican [Vice President Dick Cheney’s funeral](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/dick-cheneys-funeral-know-speaker-204044999.html) – and wasn’t asked to speak at the service. > > A senior White House official said that the president would not attend the funeral and was not aware of anyone else on his staff going to the invitation-only service that will be held in Washington, DC, on Nov. 20 [at the National Cathedral.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/know-far-dick-cheneys-funeral-210418502.html) > > The White House previously said that Trump was “aware” of the vice president’s passing and [lowered flags to half-staff](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/why-flags-half-staff-know-212722427.html). > > Two former presidents are known to be attending the service: [George W. Bush](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/george-w-bush-family-pay-171037759.html), who served two terms in office with [Cheney](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/dick-cheney-most-controversial-powerful-120618565.html) as his VP, and [Joe Biden](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/joe-biden/), who served as vice president for eight years before he won his own bid for the White House. [“Donald Trump and Greg Abbott played with fire, got burned and democracy won.”](https://www.aol.com/articles/happens-californias-redistricting-texas-maps-202423537.html) > [@](#): > > Gov. Gavin Newsom said California’s redistricting was in response to Texas’ rare mid-decade redistricting push. That doesn’t mean California is turning back after a federal court in Texas [blocked the state’s recently redrawn](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-congressional-map-2026-judge-blocks/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) congressional map from going into effect for the 2026 midterm elections. > > Tuesday’s court ruling came weeks after California voters formally approved a ballot measure that was introduced to counteract Texas’ redistricting — but lawmakers removed the trigger language from the ballot measure. Without the trigger language, changes to California’s districts are unlikely. > > “Donald Trump and Greg Abbott played with fire, got burned and democracy won,” [Newsom wrote on X](https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/1990871428913377462?s=20?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) Tuesday following the court ruling. “This ruling is a win for Texas, and for every American who fights for free and fair elections.” > > Paul Mitchell, whose firm was hired to draw California’s congressional districts, [posted on social media](https://x.com/paulmitche11/status/1990854493546615233?s=20?ftag=YHF4eb9d17) that the maps will be staying in place. > > “The trigger language was removed in the legislative process as it was clear that TX was redistricting. So, even if their map is invalidated/postponed, the Prop 50 maps stay in place,” Mitchell wrote. In short, doing something legally is the way to go about it. Of course that’s a lesson the felon will never learn. [The felon and his fools are being investigated for contempt of court.](https://www.aol.com/articles/judge-proceed-contempt-probe-us-210740513.html) > [@](#): > > A federal judge said Wednesday he plans to move ahead quickly on a contempt investigation of the Trump administration for failing to turn around [planes carrying Venezuelan migrants to El Salvador](https://apnews.com/article/trump-deportations-boasberg-venezuelans-8c1287a1fec1c026efb2bde51ffdda9a) in March. > > U.S. District Judge James Boasberg in Washington said a ruling Friday by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit gave him the authority to proceed with the inquiry, which will determine whether there is sufficient evidence to refer the matter for prosecution. He asked attorneys by Monday to identify witnesses and offer plans for how to conduct the probe and said he’d like to start any hearings on December 1. > > The judge has previously warned he could seek to have officials in the administration prosecuted. > > On March 15, Boasberg ordered the aircraft carrying accused gang members to return to the U.S., but they landed instead in El Salvador, where the migrants were held at a notorious prison. > > “I am authorized to proceed just as I intended to do in April seven months ago,” the judge said during a hearing Wednesday. He added later, “I certainly intend to find out what happened on that day.” [The felon signed the Epstein file release bill.](https://www.aol.com/articles/trump-signs-bill-release-jeffrey-012639274.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (AP) — [President Donald Trump](https://apnews.com/hub/donald-trump) signed legislation Wednesday that compels his administration to release files on convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, bowing to political pressure from his own party after initially resisting those efforts. > > Trump could have chosen to release many of the files on his own months ago. > > “Democrats have used the ‘Epstein’ issue, which affects them far more than the Republican Party, in order to try and distract from our AMAZING Victories,” Trump said in a social media post as he announced he had signed the bill. > > Now, the bill requires the Justice Department to release all files and communications related to Epstein, as well as any information about the investigation into his death in a federal prison in 2019, within 30 days. It allows for redactions about Epstein’s victims for ongoing federal investigations, but DOJ cannot withhold information due to “embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity.” I’m wondering now how much of this stuff will be redacted, similar to _The Gulag Archipelago_. [But the felon’s still going to try for revenge.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-officials-president-plotting-wave-180911589.html) > [@](#): > > The White House is planning to use the Epstein files against Democrats after they, in addition to several Republicans, [successfully pressured lawmakers to vote](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-epstein-files-live-updates-b2867921.html) to compel the Justice Department to release the [remainder of the files](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-says-ll-sign-bill-204924539.html) against President Donald Trump’s wishes. > > After both chambers of Congress agreed to send the Epstein Files Transparency Act to Trump’s desk, two unnamed White House officials [indicated to _Politico_](https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/19/trump-white-house-train-attacks-on-democrats-in-wake-of-epstein-vote-00657796) that they plan to draw attention to Democrats who communicated with or were associated with Epstein. > > “Democrats only started talking about the Epstein files once they thought they could use it to score political points against President Trump,” an unnamed White House official told _Politico_. “That will prove to be a mistake for them.” [The felon stepped on his dinky ~.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trumps-u-attorney-drops-bombshell-171634565.html) > [@](#): > > The grand jury that interim U.S. attorney Lindsey Halligan convened when seeking to charge former FBI Director [James Comey](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/james-comey) never reviewed a complete copy of the final indictment against him, Justice Department lawyers disclosed in court on Wednesday. > > The revelation came during a motion hearing at a federal courthouse in Alexandria, Virginia, as Comey seeks to have the charges of lying to Congress and obstructing justice dismissed. Comey claims he is being vindictively and selectively prosecuted by President Donald Trump and his yes-men at the Justice Department, like Attorney General Pam Bondi, because of the president’s longstanding and very public animosity toward him. Comey further contends that Halligan was never lawfully appointed to the attorney role. > > According to [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/james-comey-doj-case-hearing-11-19-25?t=1763572713143), federal prosecutors told Judge Michael Nachmanoff Wednesday that after the grand jury failed to approve of all counts against Comey, Halligan merely brought the grand jurors an altered version of that indictment, not a new one. And here’s the kicker. > [@](#): > > Michael Dreeben, an attorney for Comey, said this indicated “no indictment was returned” and that the statute of limitations to charge Comey had already run out. [Killer Kennedy doesn’t believe peanut allergies are related to exposure.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/rfk-jr-reiterates-doesn-t-123152536.html) > [@](#): > > Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., speaking Monday at a [Food Allergy Fund event](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/rfk-jr-says-dietary-guidelines-181752918.html), said he disagrees with a popular theory surrounding the increased level of [peanut allergies](https://www.yahoo.com/news/feeding-peanuts-young-children-reduce-190824923.html) in the U.S. in recent decades. > > According to the [National Institutes of Health](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4149917/), nearly 0.5 percent of kids around the world had a peanut allergy in 1997. Numbers have skyrocketed since then, with 2 percent of children now being allergic to peanuts. > > In response to a question about previous comments he made about whether a [lack of early exposure to peanuts](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/peanut-allergies-may-prevented-research-142121579.html) could have been driving the increase, the HHS chief said, “To me, that is not a convincing hypothesis.” And what does he think should be done about it? > [@](#): > > Instead, Kennedy believes that “we need to look at aluminum in vaccines,” which he explains was introduced at the same time that peanut allergies began to become more frequent. [Don’t you tihnk it’s about time for the courts to ban the felon and his fools from using the word “inadvertently” or “mistakenly”?](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-administration-inadvertently-deported-transgender-072701540.html) > [@](#): > > The Trump administration admitted it “inadvertently” deported a transgender woman to Mexico this month after a judge ordered she not be removed to the country over fears she may be tortured or violently persecuted. > > The government has said it will allow Britania Uriostegui Rios, a Mexican national, to return to the US if she is able to make it to the border. Once she has returned, she will be placed back in ICE custody while the administration tries to deport her to a different country, court documents show. > > The case marks the latest example of the Trump administration wrongfully removing someone protected by court orders or special status as it works to carry out the president’s goal of a [history-making](https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/09/us/ice-immigration-federal-agencies-trump?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo) mass deportation program. Uriostegui Rios is [at least the fifth](https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/25/us/court-trump-wrongly-deported-man-hnk?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo) such case this year, including the administration’s [dramatic legal showdown](https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/21/politics/abrego-garcia-deportation-trump-el-salvador-cecot?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo) over the removal – and [eventual return](https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/22/politics/kilmar-abrego-garcia-release?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_yahoo) – of Salvadoran man Kilmar Abrego Garcia. No, there’s no way whatsoever this was inadvetent. And how wonderful of the felon and his fools to allow her to come back to the US if she can manage it on her own only to be deported to a third country. [Puppy killer Noem’s confession read into the congressional record.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/gop-wants-puppy-killer-kristi-072454574.html) > [@](#): > > Kristi Noem’s history as a brutal puppy killer has come back to haunt her, this time in the House of Representatives. > > The Homeland Security chief’s graphic shooting of her puppy Cricket, which she wrote about in her 2024 memoir _No Going Back_, has now been added to the House record after Rep. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) read from the book during a Judiciary Committee meeting on Tuesday. > > The committee was discussing amendments to the Bill to Outlaw Wounding of Official Working Animals Act or [BOWOW](https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/4638/text?s=1&r=1&q=%7B%22search%22%3A%22H.R.4638+-+BOWOW+Act%22%7D). The GOP want Noem’s department to amend the act so that an immigrant who has been convicted of harming an animal used in law enforcement can be deported. [Yep. The cruelty is not only the point, it’s the _only_ point.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-administration-moves-deny-green-145810313.html) > [@](#): > > The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) moved late Monday to make it easier for immigration officers to deny green cards to those who use public benefits like Medicaid or food stamps. > > The latest iteration of the so-called public charge rule would strike down the Biden-era version of the rule, which returned the country to long-standing criteria that allowed rejections of green cards for those “primarily dependent” on government assistance, such as those who received cash assistance or help with nursing home care. > > The rule does not revert to the 2019 rule [crafted under the first Trump administration](https://www.yahoo.com/news/dhs-unwinds-trump-era-public-124500781.html) that allowed immigration officers to reject applicants who used any number of public programs. > > But critics say the lack of guidance opens the door to immigration officers arbitrarily rejecting applicants while discouraging immigrants from asking for assistance. [The felon’s stripping some service members of retirement benefits.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-stripping-members-retirement-benefits-104517206.html) > [@](#): > > When President Donald Trump returned to office in January, Master Sergeant Logan Ireland was worried about what would happen to his career. > > The 38-year-old transgender Air Force member had already jumped through bureaucratic hoops to be able to serve during Trump’s first term. In 2017, Trump [tweeted](https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/890196164313833472) he wanted to ban trans people from the military; the White House formalized its policy over the next year, carving out exceptions for people like Ireland who had already begun medically transitioning. Ireland had to get a doctor’s note diagnosing him with gender dysphoria in order to keep his job. > > And now, that diagnosis is being used to purge him — and thousands of other transgender service members — from the military, despite his 15 years of service, including deployments in Afghanistan, the United Arab Emirates and South Korea. [Felon freed by felon commits, you guessed it, felony.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/freed-prison-trump-2021-jersey-060014464.html) > [@](#): > > TRENTON, NJ — A New Jersey Ponzi schemer, whose 24-year prison term for fraud convictions was commuted by President [Donald Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/donald-trump/) in 2021, is headed back behind bars for another multi-million-dollar fraud scheme. > > [Eliyahu “Eli” Weinstein](https://www.app.com/story/news/local/courts/2025/11/18/lakewood-con-man-eli-weinstein-sentenced-to-37-years-in-prison/87340676007/), 51, was sentenced on Nov. 14 to 37 years in federal prison for falsely promising investors access to supplies bound for war-torn Ukraine, according to court documents. U.S. District Judge Michael A. Shipp imposed the sentence on Weinstein and ordered him to make $44,294,803 in restitution. > > Weinstein, of Lakewood, New Jersey, stood trial earlier this year and was found guilty on March 31 of 15 of 17 counts in a federal indictment charging securities fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, making false statements to and concealing material facts from the United States Probation Office, obstruction of justice, and conspiracies to commit those crimes. He was acquitted of two obstruction charges. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9707 "2025-11-20T04:22:48Z")
No they listen - for the emotional tone. And he’s amazingly good at conveying emotional tone to stupid people. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9708 "2025-11-20T04:30:04Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > And he’s amazingly good at conveying emotional tone to stupid people. That’s because he’s a mean and spiteful whiner, just like them. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9709 "2025-11-20T04:36:54Z")
Some of that but also “I’m a big confident blustery guy whose good at everything and I’m going to bring so much win!” positivity. Needless to say the gulf between the reality and the message could not be wider. But nonetheless the one thing he’s good at IMHO is selling an upbeat fantasy to dumbasses. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9710 "2025-11-20T13:30:24Z")
[Big brother is watching.](https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/border-patrol-monitoring-us-drivers-detaining-suspicious-travel-127699704) > The U.S. Border Patrol is monitoring millions of American drivers nationwide in a secretive program to identify and detain people whose travel patterns it deems suspicious, The Associated Press has found. > > The predictive intelligence program has resulted in people being stopped, searched and in some cases arrested. A network of cameras scans and records vehicle license plate information, and an algorithm flags vehicles deemed suspicious based on where they came from, where they were going and which route they took. Federal agents in turn may then flag local law enforcement. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9711 "2025-11-20T13:54:10Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > No they listen - for the emotional tone. And he’s amazingly good at conveying emotional tone to stupid people. Replace “Ginger” with “MAGA.” [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgD4dHxWkAA8ARe.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgD4dHxWkAA8ARe.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9712 "2025-11-20T15:51:53Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [The felon’s skipping a vice president’s funeral.](https://www.aol.com/articles/trump-wont-attend-former-republican-204152662.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > WASHINGTON — [President Donald Trump](https://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/donald-trump/) will not attend former Republican [Vice President Dick Cheney’s funeral](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/dick-cheneys-funeral-know-speaker-204044999.html) – and wasn’t asked to speak at the service. > > > > A senior White House official said that the president would not attend the funeral and was not aware of anyone else on his staff going to the invitation-only service that will be held in Washington, DC, on Nov. 20 [at the National Cathedral.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/know-far-dick-cheneys-funeral-210418502.html) I would not say “skipping” the funeral. I’d say “is actually banned from attending, alongside Vance, and anyone else in this corrupt administration” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9713 "2025-11-20T16:32:18Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > What dafuk WAS that? What was he talking about? Excuse me…I speak gibberish. He was describing the bombing raid on the Iran nuclear site. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9714 "2025-11-20T16:43:39Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’d say “is actually banned from attending, alongside Vance, and anyone else in this corrupt administration” Can you imagine being too corrupt to go to _Dick Cheney’s_ funeral?? ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9715 "2025-11-20T17:06:30Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Can you imagine being too corrupt to go to _Dick Cheney’s_ funeral?? Like the time Mike Pence was booed by the audience while attending a performance of _Hamilton_. Somehow, Aaron Burr was only the second-least-popular vice president in that theater… ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9716 "2025-11-20T18:18:38Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > No they listen - for the emotional tone. And he’s amazingly good at conveying emotional tone to stupid people. Wait, so you haven’t actually listened to more than a few seconds or perhaps as much of a minute of any of his speeches but you assert he’s a master at conveying emotional tone? Based on what? Maybe, just maybe, make your opinion more informed? Seriously, I know it’s painful but try sitting through as much of one of his ‘speeches’ as you can. At least an hour, if you can. And then maybe you can confidentially state such things. Because that faux-Trump you’ve built up in your head that conveys emotional sincerity to his followers bears little resemblance to reality. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9717 "2025-11-20T18:59:52Z")
Lorrie Moore, writing in the _New Yorker_ in 2021: > So sue me: I sometimes find President Trump’s voice reassuring. Not what he says. Not the actual words (although once in a while one of his “incredibles” reaches inside my chest cavity and magically calms the tachycardia). Trump’s primitive syntax, imperfectly designed for the young foreign woman he married, always dismays. But during a coronavirus-task-force press conference, when one hears him on the radio, his voice has music. Sorry. It does. A singer’s timbre; it is easy on the ear. Trump’s is a voice you use to calm down people you yourself have made furious. (His foremost mimics—Alec Baldwin, Stephen Colbert—have not captured its pitch, its air, its softness, which they substitute with dopiness, which is also there.) For the first ten minutes, before his composure slackens and he becomes boastful and irritable, he actually just wants to be Santa Claus in his own Christmas movie, and the quality of his voice is that of a pet owner calming a pet. I hear it! (Those were the days…) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9718 "2025-11-20T19:17:25Z")
Thanks for that I like the “for the first ten minutes” bit. That’s exactly what I meant. Though he doesn’t seem to have even that much stamina anymore. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9719 "2025-11-20T19:33:45Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > … when one hears him on the radio, his voice has music. Sorry. It does. A singer’s timbre; it is easy on the ear. … To me, his voice sounds like that of a spoiled four-year-old with terminal adenoids who’s just had his favorite toy taken away. In other words, like mine. And I hate listening to my own recorded voice. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9720 "2025-11-20T19:40:06Z")
Now you have me imagining DJT reading the Desiderata ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9721 "2025-11-20T20:19:01Z")
Now he’s demanding that members of Congress be executed for making a PSA reminding servicemembers of their duty to refuse illegal orders. [https://www.npr.org/2025/11/20/nx-s1-5615190/trump-democrats-military-video-seditious](https://www.npr.org/2025/11/20/nx-s1-5615190/trump-democrats-military-video-seditious) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=482) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=484)