# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 486
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9762 "2025-11-21T13:35:11Z")
So nurses (and others) are not happy. > **[Full list of degrees not classed as ‘professional’ by Trump admin](https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-degrees-professional-trump-administration-11085695)** > > Certain students may no longer receive the same loan for their studies as what counts as "professional" will determine how much they get. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9763 "2025-11-21T14:29:08Z")
Let me guess, primarily professions where women work? ETA: ## List of Degrees Not Classed as ‘Professional’ by Trump Admin - Nursing - Physician assistants - Physical therapists - Audiologists - Architects - Accountants - Educators - Social workers Yep. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9764 "2025-11-21T14:39:39Z")
> [@iamatractorboy](#): > > I agree for a large proportion of people he MUST be effective (as a speaker), because as you say, they started supporting him and they still do. But WHY is a total mystery to me. Putting aside for a minute all the appalling/illegal behaviour, comments, and policies, half the time the man is (to me) utterly incoherent, never mind even a competent orator. So well said. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9765 "2025-11-21T14:49:31Z")
My niece, a Navy nurse, now a Nurse Practitioner would disagree. This bullshit will only end when Trump is out, along with every one of his supporters in congress. What should be added to the list that is not professional is failed businessman. And failed President. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9766 "2025-11-21T15:05:16Z")
I wasn’t agreeing with the Trump “administration” here. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9767 "2025-11-21T15:25:44Z")
Is/was this woman impaired in some way? He has a voice like 80 garden rakes grinding against endless chalk boards. The sound makes me want stab out my ears with an ice pick. Seriously, are we really talking about the same person!!??? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9768 "2025-11-21T15:27:15Z")
> [@iamatractorboy](#): > > I agree for a large proportion of people he MUST be effective (as a speaker), because as you say, they started supporting him and they still do. But WHY is a total mystery to me Think back to high school. Remember all the people who just reflexively thought the teacher was boring, and didn’t follow the lectures? What about your co-workers that somehow manage to attend meetings without retaining any content? Not to mention church. There are people who understand that authority figures give speeches, and their role is to show up, be bored, and not really listen. School and church train them for this, and reinforce it. Most of us here always engaged with the content of the lectures / sermons / speeches, so it’s foreign to us that people would show up for any other reason. But they do. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9769 "2025-11-21T15:28:29Z")
I think I may dislike you today. There’s brain bleach I hear. How about some ear bleach. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9770 "2025-11-21T15:39:04Z")
It’s not about what they like. It’s about what they hate. Hate is the language between Trump and his supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9771 "2025-11-21T15:41:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Meanwhile, we apparently “accidentally” invaded Mexico today. > > ['International incident': 'Terrifying standoff' as US troops mistakenly invade Mexico](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-troops-invade-mexico/) This is obviously Fake News. This paragraph tells why: > [@](#): > > US ‘contractors’ arrived by boat on Monday at Playa Bagdad, driving signs into the sand near where the Rio Grande empties into the Gulf of [Mexico](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/mexico/index.html), if this was a real incident, it would have been called the Gulf of America. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9772 "2025-11-21T15:43:52Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > “Trump said it, I believe it, that settles it.” Or alternatively, “Trump said some words, my media told me what he really meant, I believe it, that settles it.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9773 "2025-11-21T15:46:18Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Or alternatively, > “Trump said some words, my media told me what he really meant, I believe it, that settles it.” Or, “Trump said something, I choose to believe it was something I like”. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9774 "2025-11-21T16:10:30Z")
I don’t think anyone in MAGA ever said of Donnie: “What a great speaker! So articulate! He must be speaking great truths!” What it all boils down to is that he hates the same people that they do. That’s all his appeal is based on. He is the Merchant of Hate. In 2016, they could have gotten behind any other Republican and gotten the same right wing judges, the same gutting of environmental regulations, and the same tax cuts for the rich. Why jump to Donnie? Hatred. When he mocked that disabled reporter, why didn’t they recoil in horror? Because they were thinking “Fuck yeah! I have to park further from the grocery store because of those fucking woke handicapped spots!” When he villainized immigrants, they were all thinking “Fuck yeah! These people come here and get free phones and free rent and free food and can live off us forever!” Doesn’t matter that it isn’t true, it’s what they’ve been drilled into from listening to the likes of Rash Limpballs and Charlie KKKirkkk. It doesn’t matter that he dry humps a US flag onstage or holds a Bible upside down for a publicity stunt, it gives the message that he is the epitome of a patriotic Christian and as a bonus, he hates Muslims. It isn’t that complicated, there are I estimate about 20% of the public that are racist, sexist xenophobes and they have a hero that thinks just like him. They don’t give a flying fuck in a rolling donut hole if he is a good speaker. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9775 "2025-11-21T16:57:44Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It isn’t that complicated, there are I estimate about 20% of the public that are racist, sexist xenophobes and they have a hero that thinks just like him. They don’t give a flying fuck in a rolling donut hole if he is a good speaker. AND they think that he likes them. Even when he tries to take away their health care and food subsidies and gives the money to the rich. Something still doesn’t add up. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9776 "2025-11-21T17:05:45Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I estimate about 20% of the public that are racist, sexist xenophobes I think it’s higher than that, unfortunately. Certainly more than 20% of the American public are racist, though few will openly admit it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9777 "2025-11-21T18:14:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > > [@Jihi](#): > > > > Mexico should have arrested the “illegals” invading their sovereign territory and deported them to El Salvador > > Venezuela. On Venezuelan boats. That part is important. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9778 "2025-11-21T18:25:33Z")
And in unsurprising news, after announcing a huge “Deal” in which China was supposed to buy American soybeans again, actual soybean sales to China has been three orders of magnitude less than what Trump bragged about. > **[China conned Trump again—because he’s that gullible](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/11/21/2354807/-China-conned-Trump-again-because-he-s-that-gullible?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web)** > > President Donald Trump has never cared about actually delivering results. He only cares about being seen as effective, the biggest and the best, even when the numbers he brags about are pure fantasy. > “The USDA report released after the government reopened showed only two Chinese purchases of American soybeans since the summit in South Korea that totaled 332,000 metric tons,” reported the AP. “That’s well short of the 12 million metric tons that Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said China agreed to purchase by January and nowhere near the 25 million metric tons she said they would buy in each of the next three years.” ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9779 "2025-11-21T19:36:06Z")
As much as I hate to undercut your point, this week China did purchase another million tons. So they will probably fall short of the 12 million, but it does look like they are starting to accelerate. [https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-largest-us-soybean-buy-2-years-buoys-prices-triggers-sales-by-struggling-2025-11-21/](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-largest-us-soybean-buy-2-years-buoys-prices-triggers-sales-by-struggling-2025-11-21/) ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9780 "2025-11-21T20:00:06Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > What it all boils down to is that he hates the same people that they do. I think it’s a little more nuanced than that. He hate’s the things that people are annoyed at, and he let’s them know that it’s OK to hate and be an asshole, allowing them to hate. And, since hate is a very strong emotion, and he hates what they now hate, they think he must be right on the other things that he hates. The biggest problem with Trump is he made it OK to be an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2025, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9781 "2025-11-21T21:21:52Z")
> [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](#): > > He hate’s the things that people are annoyed at, and he let’s them know that it’s OK to hate and be an asshole Excellent point. He helps some people turn their _annoyances_ into _hatreds_. (This doesn’t let anyone off the hook, mind you.) Surely it parallels Germany circa 1930. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=485) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=487)