# The Trump Administration: The Clusterfuck Continues (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068 "2024-11-11T06:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 488
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9802 "2025-11-22T19:47:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > As for Why: this visit was billed as being off-camera, and I’m guessing that the beginning of it _ **was** _ private. And that during those minutes, Mamdani offered Donald a substantial gift. (Likely not an object but some lucrative construction opportunity in NYC.) That’s quite a brazen guess to make. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9803 "2025-11-22T20:21:41Z")
Trump, who suddenly is dressed like Ebenezer Scrooge for some reason, says he won’t be sending the National Guard to NYC. > **[Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com)](https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m6aczky5kp2u)** > > Q: Do you still plan to deploy the National Guard to New York City? > > TRUMP: If they need it. Right now, other places need it more. [![](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54940212541_c8dcdca794_b.jpg) ](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54940212541_c8dcdca794_b.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9804 "2025-11-22T21:02:17Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … As for Why: this visit was billed as being off-camera, and I’m guessing that the beginning of it _ **was** _ private. … Was there a Reality ↔ Trump interpreter present? ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9805 "2025-11-22T22:13:29Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > You know that, and I know that. But … their audience doesn’t understand (nor care to understand) the difference between “socialist,” “communist,” and “democratic socialist.” Politics is something of a circle and, while appearing poles apart, the distance between “far” left and “far” right in terms of actual policies implemented can be illusionary. On several objective criteria, especially economics, 45/47 & Sanders have the same interventionalist, socialist tendencies. And the 45/47 autocracy doesn’t earn the epaulet “democratic”. The distinctions are important and glossing over them helps neither cause. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2025, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9806 "2025-11-22T23:21:15Z")
> He’s surrounded by a lot of ‘yes men.’ > **['His people are worried': Trump raises eyebrows after asking CEOs for...](https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-economy-2674296183/)** > > President Donald Trump asked top CEOs for their solutions on how to navigate affordability for Americans while apparently forecasting an economic boom in the U.S. that he compared to the Reagan and Clinton eras.The president held a private dinner at... ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9807 "2025-11-23T00:04:10Z")
It’s a no brainer - because it’s what a savvy mayor would do. Roughly 50% of any mayor’s job is wheeling and dealing with real estate developers. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9808 "2025-11-23T00:13:06Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s a no brainer - because it’s what a savvy mayor would do. His base absolutely detests trump and has detested trump the entire time he’s been in real estate in NYC. Based on Mamdani’s platforms, I don’t think it’s a slam-dunk that he gave a sweetheart deal to trump, which would doom his career the instant word got out (unless he somehow cheated trump out of prime property which would then be turned over to the city). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9809 "2025-11-23T00:15:47Z")
[The felon stiffs air traffic controllers unsurprisingly.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-stiffs-thousands-air-traffic-143554009.html) > [@](#): > > Donald Trump has snubbed thousands of [air traffic controllers](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/air-traffic-controllers-start-resigning-021617406.html) and technicians who kept the skies safe during the longest government shutdown in history, union officials told Axios. > > Only 776, or seven percent, of the roughly 11,000 air traffic controllers and technicians who worked through the 43-day [government shutdown](https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/states-turn-trump-shutdown-attack-151432691.html) will get a $10,000 bonus. > > Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy described the “perfect attendance” bonus [on X](https://x.com/SecDuffy/status/1991670993836761228) as a Santa moment, apparently ignoring that [most workers](https://www.thedailybeast.com/flight-cancellation-chaos-continues-for-thousands-amid-shutdown/) were gift-less. > > According to an FAA statement emailed to the National Air Traffic Controllers Association, 776 “will receive a $10,000 award for their patriotic work to ensure the safety of the skies,” [Axios reported](https://www.axios.com/2025/11/21/air-travel-workers-flights-trump-checks-shutdown). Seven percent. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9810 "2025-11-23T00:30:31Z")
I guess we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9811 "2025-11-23T02:24:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > My guess is it’s a combination of three things; 1. As Mayor of New York Zorhan has power over a lot of Trump’s business ventures and Trump is trying to butter HIM up. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9812 "2025-11-23T03:20:14Z")
Lil’ Marco says the new “peace plan” that Trump has proposed for Ukraine was written entirely by the Russians. > **['Truly bizarre': Critics pounce on 'one of the biggest foreign policy...](https://www.rawstory.com/marco-rubio-russia-2674334728/?utm_source=superhead)** > > A peace plan being thrust upon Ukraine was actually written by Russia, according to reports, and Marco Rubio is taking heat for confusing messaging.Foreign affairs and defense correspondent Nick Schifrin reported the news on X:"BREAKING: After... ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9813 "2025-11-23T04:03:20Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Lil’ Marco says the new “peace plan” that Trump has proposed for Ukraine was written entirely by the Russians. As I said before the felon got re-elected, his plan to end the war between Ukraine and Russia was for Ukraine to give Russia everything Putin wants. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9814 "2025-11-23T04:04:34Z")
Top Men. Top ..MEN. Many people are saying. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9815 "2025-11-23T06:12:02Z")
The Mamdani meeting was just good looking politics that Trump’s shadow cabal convinced him would look better than arguing with Mamdani. Trump knows fuck-all about Communism or any form of Socialism and don’t look stupider sitting there trying to debate with a good looking, popular winner and instead try and draw some of that “winner” bit your way. Talk about NYC, how much Trump loves it and imagines the feeling is mutual and both look good. Marco is doing something that, under “old-normal” circumstances, he’d not do for about a year. Draw a line between his and Trump’s policies and make Vance a stooge of Trump. Then, again under the “old-normal” he can primary Vance and if there’s nobody else (Trump?) he gets the Presidential nomination. He may as well as signed his resignation as he’s gone soon. He’ll be “little Marco” and every State Department error will be blamed on him. Yet he needs just that to distance himself from MAGA. In a fair race, he could do well in 2028. Dunno where his funds are coming from, yet he’ll have a couple cases to bring before SCOTUS regarding this election. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9816 "2025-11-23T09:15:59Z")
> [@Coriolanus](#): > > He may as well as signed his resignation as he’s gone soon. From what I understand, Trump kind of took the complaints to heart that his cabinet in Trump 1.0 had too much coming and going. So he hasn’t fired anyone yet, but is waiting for the end of his first year. So if Marco is gone, it’ll be in a couple months. I understand Hegseth will be another goner, maybe Noem too. Perhaps someone should start a thread on cabinet level firings before mid-February or beginning of March. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9817 "2025-11-23T10:13:03Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > So he hasn’t fired anyone yet, but is waiting for the end of his first year. Might as well just bring in a whole new bunch for the second season. I’m sure there are plenty more Fox or Newsmax hosts who would do. It’s not like they need qualifications. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9818 "2025-11-23T11:43:25Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > There’s a lot of folks who claim to have read and understood “Atlas Shrugged” God, I tried. I’ve read Umberto Eco, the Bible in its entirety, even Salman Rushdie. But Atlas Shrugged… what a shit book. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9819 "2025-11-23T13:12:19Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > Was there a Reality ↔ Trump interpreter present? Interpreter: “I speak Russian, Italian and French. I don’t speak Trump” Trump is losing it. Well, never ‘had it’. But he probably forgot that he’s supposed to hate the guy. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9820 "2025-11-23T13:58:51Z")
Truly Orwellian territory here: > Countries with state subsidies for abortion, transgender-friendly policies for children, hate speech laws and affirmative action policies will now be considered to be violating human rights under rules imposed at the State Department that will impact how the agency conducts its annual Human Rights Report. > **[Abortion And DEI Policies Now Considered Violations Of Human Rights, U.S. Says](https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2025/11/21/abortion-dei-now-considered-violations-of-human-rights-us-officials-say/)** > > The Trump administration has overhauled how the State Department conducts its annual Human Rights Report. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2025, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068/9821 "2025-11-23T19:13:21Z")
This, following Rubio saying (out loud this time) that Trump’s Ukraine treaty was written by the Russians, and he will not enforce this latest human rights policy and resign. Maybe Trump’s DOJ has enough to spoil Rubio’s candidacy, were Trump to “allow” that. Yet there’s nothing good Rubio is going to say he’s done and this is not the first sort of “overhaul” at State that now he owns. No matter what, Trump was going to say/tweet “I never liked him anyway” and replace him with the stooge he needs. ETA: Apparently he took back the part about who authored the plan. Rubio emphasised in a Sunday post on X before flying to Switzerland that the [proposal was authored by the US](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/21/trumps-28-point-ukraine-plan-in-full-what-it-means-could-it-work). [Al Jazeera](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/23/ukraine-e3-to-start-geneva-talks-rubio-rejects-russia-wish-list-claim) So get gets to continue to sit next to his liege. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=487) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-the-clusterfuck-continues-part-1/1010068.md?page=489)